Two scenarios on Trump-Russia investigators — and neither is comforting

[busybee01]

Two scenarios on Trump-Russia investigators — and neither is comforting

already i can hear the pro-obama crowd coming in to say what a dumbass attkisson is - but show me another reporter out there who goes by facts and trails vs cheering one section on over another.

we'll see what comes out of this and i hope anyone who broke the law is brought to justice. don't really care about their reasons or feelz - the laws were not written to take those into account so nothing else should take that into consideration either.

great. you hate. now stop breaking the law to show off your hate.

there better damn well be some verifiable link to what started the russia narrative. if it was just politics in play, jail those who were involved.

There are other possibilities that don't fit her either/or scenario. My impression is that she didn't even bother to read the Mueller what the Mueller Report said on the connections between the Trump Campaign and the Russians. He did not say that there was no co-ordination between the campaign and the Russians, he said there was no evidence that the Trump people knew that Guccifer2.0 was a GRU agent. The Trump Campaign was willing and eager to work with the Russian government, but the Russians considered them to be dangerous amateurs and there is not enough evidence to lay charges of a criminal conspiracy.

The writer ignores all of this and says there is no coordination, which simply isn't true, and her refusal to acknowledge the dreadful behaviour of the Trump Campaign in lying to the American people about all things having to do with Russia, as well as the attempts by Trump to stonewall the continuing investigation and undermine the rule of law, continues to further the goals and aims of Vladimir Putin.

Trump is begging for the Democrats to impeach him, and he has ramped up his obstruction of justice to levels never seen to make it happen. Trump is no Bill Clinton. He hasn't been falsely accused and pursued by Democrats since he took office, he's been pursued and investigated by Republicans. Clinton was a popular president with a strong, robust economy, a balanced budget, programs benefitting ALL the American people, not just the wealthy, and rights for all. Trump is a deeply unpopular President, who is a national embarassment, who has eroded America's standing on the world stage, and who has failed to keep his promises to American workers, in regards to health care, the economy for working people, on wages, on tax reform which only benefitted the wealthy, on infrastructure, on education.

And the Mueller Report shows that Trump eagerly accepted help from Russia, lied about it, and attempted to obstruct the investigation. Relentlessly. Hardly a lie about a blow job.

There was no co-ordination as in they had meeting and Trump's people told them what to do. Manafort told a associate with ties to Russian Intelligence what they were doing strategy wise, talked about states they were targeting like Michigan and gave them internal polling data. That gave the Russians a roadmap on how to help Trump. Roger Stone had either a backchannel to WikiLeaks or the Russians who hacked Podesta's e-mails.

 

[Slade3200]

So you actually think the FBI just ignored an obvious crime and gave Hillary a pass? That’s a pretty big conspiracy that would involve a lot of people for such an obvious crime. Have you heard comeys explanation of why he didn’t charge Clinton for deleting emails when congress asked him about it?

Also, Barr is not looking into the email investigation as far as I know. I believe the inspector general looked into that stuff and I haven’t heard a word about wrong doing. Have you?

i know comey was told to call it a matter, not an investigation.
i know comey was told to change "gross negligence" to "extreme carelessness"
i know page was has told the people digging the FBI was told to NOT charge Hillary

you tell me who's guiding what.

and you still continue to miss my point that if we allow people to pick and choose what evidence to turn over to people investigating them, what is the point of said investigation?

you'd not allow trump or people you don't like that luxury, she should not have it either. doing so is instant path to "WHY" that was never answered.

yoga/wedding plans.
WHY bleachbit boring info like that?

there's a lot of valid questions you blow by just to say "well the FBI didn't find anything..." when from what i can see, their very actions are now being reviewed.

we'll see where it goes. pretty much sounds like we've taken this as far as it will go for now anyway. i feel like i'm trying to apply standards evenly and you're looking to get 1 side around them and hold the other to them.

that's how you get civil wars.

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Congress subpoenaed them, moron. Are you going to tell us that Hillary is free to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

They did? Do you have a link to more info about that?

 

[busybee01]

At the end of the day, when the Russian sabotage in favor of Trump was discovered, America should have let the attacks continue without investigation. We should have never looked into the guy who the sabotage campaign directly benefitted, who also happens to have deep financial ties to Russia and who’s top officials were outed as criminals.

except we can't find a valid reason to investigate trump except you don't like him.

all the rest of what you say is bullshit and unverifiable without emotions pushing them.

russia trolled the shit out of us. not illegal now is it? if so you'd be banned from this forum in seconds, dude.

we'll see what barr finds. my guess is you're about to start crying like a little girl who's hair got put into the inkwell.

Our intelligence agencies unanimously agreed that Russia attacked our election, the attacks were in favor of Trump, Trump has deep financial ties to Russia, Trump’s people had secret meetings with Russians, Trump had criminals at the highest levels of his campaign. All of that is undeniable. Had Trump not tried so hard to obstruct justice, maybe this could have ended sooner for him.

And sadly we’ll never hear from the 12 Russians Mueller wanted to take to court, because the Russian government wants Trump in power.

Why would they want Trump in power? They like it that our economy is booming? They like it that he will resolve our illegal immigratiion problem if given time? They like the MUCH tougher stance on Russia that he has taken compared to Democrats? Please, they would love nothing more than a politician who is much closer to Socialism than Democracy. That should be fairly obvious to anyone, but alas, never Trumpers are too dilluted to see the obvious.

Maybe their plan was more devious that you think. Maybe they knew the left-wing nuts would revolt and move in mass toward Socialism if Trump was elected. That would be their dream and it seems to be coming to fruition thanks to our leftist sheep and ignorant children.

Because they see Trump as a divisive figure who will divide this country. So far they are right. Trump HAS NOT taken a tougher stance on Russia. Trump wants to withdraw from Syria which would leave Iran and Russia in the drivers' seat. The Trump sycophants are the ones who are too blind to see the facts.

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Simple question... Do you trust who you are investigating to be honest either way? And If guilty, what would she do given the opportunity.?

2 questions. I cheated.

Do I trust who I’m investigating? No I’m skeptical.

If guilty what would she do? I’ll answer this but let me ask for clarification... if guilty of what?

Having anything she shouldn't in email?

Let's say she does, what would she do if the fbi were coming for it?

I couldn’t say for sure... she would either try and hide it or try to avoid giving them the info.

But she did turn over her emails and classified info was found in her messages. She was found guilty of what they were investigating, it just wasn’t determined to rise to the level of criminal prosecution

 

[iceberg]

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Simple question... Do you trust who you are investigating to be honest either way? And If guilty, what would she do given the opportunity.?

2 questions. I cheated.

Do I trust who I’m investigating? No I’m skeptical.

If guilty what would she do? I’ll answer this but let me ask for clarification... if guilty of what?

Having anything she shouldn't in email?

Let's say she does, what would she do if the fbi were coming for it?

I couldn’t say for sure... she would either try and hide it or try to avoid giving them the info.

But she did turn over her emails and classified info was found in her messages. She was found guilty of what they were investigating, it just wasn’t determined to rise to the level of criminal prosecution

She didn't turn over everything. What did she do again?

That's one hell of a leap of faith to think in deleting 33k mails and bleach bitting a drive to get it to id of yoga talk seems a bit flimsy as the fbi is driving to your door.

You can give her that. I give NO ONE that.

 

[busybee01]

So you actually think the FBI just ignored an obvious crime and gave Hillary a pass? That’s a pretty big conspiracy that would involve a lot of people for such an obvious crime. Have you heard comeys explanation of why he didn’t charge Clinton for deleting emails when congress asked him about it?

Also, Barr is not looking into the email investigation as far as I know. I believe the inspector general looked into that stuff and I haven’t heard a word about wrong doing. Have you?

i know comey was told to call it a matter, not an investigation.
i know comey was told to change "gross negligence" to "extreme carelessness"
i know page was has told the people digging the FBI was told to NOT charge Hillary

you tell me who's guiding what.

and you still continue to miss my point that if we allow people to pick and choose what evidence to turn over to people investigating them, what is the point of said investigation?

you'd not allow trump or people you don't like that luxury, she should not have it either. doing so is instant path to "WHY" that was never answered.

yoga/wedding plans.
WHY bleachbit boring info like that?

there's a lot of valid questions you blow by just to say "well the FBI didn't find anything..." when from what i can see, their very actions are now being reviewed.

we'll see where it goes. pretty much sounds like we've taken this as far as it will go for now anyway. i feel like i'm trying to apply standards evenly and you're looking to get 1 side around them and hold the other to them.

that's how you get civil wars.

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Congress subpoenaed them, moron. Are you going to tell us that Hillary is free to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

They are not entitled to personal e-mails. The fact is that her attorney deleted the e-mails.

 

[hadit]

i know comey was told to call it a matter, not an investigation.
i know comey was told to change "gross negligence" to "extreme carelessness"
i know page was has told the people digging the FBI was told to NOT charge Hillary

you tell me who's guiding what.

and you still continue to miss my point that if we allow people to pick and choose what evidence to turn over to people investigating them, what is the point of said investigation?

you'd not allow trump or people you don't like that luxury, she should not have it either. doing so is instant path to "WHY" that was never answered.

yoga/wedding plans.
WHY bleachbit boring info like that?

there's a lot of valid questions you blow by just to say "well the FBI didn't find anything..." when from what i can see, their very actions are now being reviewed.

we'll see where it goes. pretty much sounds like we've taken this as far as it will go for now anyway. i feel like i'm trying to apply standards evenly and you're looking to get 1 side around them and hold the other to them.

that's how you get civil wars.

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

And that was the situation I believe she deliberately set up. If she had carefully kept work emails totally separated from personal, she would not have been allowed to delete any of them. By mingling them, she had coverage to delete what she wanted.

How do you know any of that? Did you see how the server was configured? What info was requested, what was delivered? Cause the FBI did and didn’t seem to have a problem with what went down

I know that had the server been used solely for Sec State purposes, there would have been no question about deleting anything. Likewise if it were solely personal.

The server was used for both personal and business, that was the issue and it appears you don’t know any of the details that I just asked about. So you don’t really have enough info to make an informed opinion on the matter

I have enough details to know that had she kept all work related emails in government provided systems completely separated from personal business, there would be no controversy about what could be deleted and what could not. By doing this, she opened the door to a lot that she could have easily avoided.

 

[hadit]

i know comey was told to call it a matter, not an investigation.
i know comey was told to change "gross negligence" to "extreme carelessness"
i know page was has told the people digging the FBI was told to NOT charge Hillary

you tell me who's guiding what.

and you still continue to miss my point that if we allow people to pick and choose what evidence to turn over to people investigating them, what is the point of said investigation?

you'd not allow trump or people you don't like that luxury, she should not have it either. doing so is instant path to "WHY" that was never answered.

yoga/wedding plans.
WHY bleachbit boring info like that?

there's a lot of valid questions you blow by just to say "well the FBI didn't find anything..." when from what i can see, their very actions are now being reviewed.

we'll see where it goes. pretty much sounds like we've taken this as far as it will go for now anyway. i feel like i'm trying to apply standards evenly and you're looking to get 1 side around them and hold the other to them.

that's how you get civil wars.

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Congress subpoenaed them, moron. Are you going to tell us that Hillary is free to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

They are not entitled to personal e-mails. The fact is that her attorney deleted the e-mails.

Could have avoided the whole thing by using government systems for government work. She left the door open.

 

[iceberg]

i know comey was told to call it a matter, not an investigation.
i know comey was told to change "gross negligence" to "extreme carelessness"
i know page was has told the people digging the FBI was told to NOT charge Hillary

you tell me who's guiding what.

and you still continue to miss my point that if we allow people to pick and choose what evidence to turn over to people investigating them, what is the point of said investigation?

you'd not allow trump or people you don't like that luxury, she should not have it either. doing so is instant path to "WHY" that was never answered.

yoga/wedding plans.
WHY bleachbit boring info like that?

there's a lot of valid questions you blow by just to say "well the FBI didn't find anything..." when from what i can see, their very actions are now being reviewed.

we'll see where it goes. pretty much sounds like we've taken this as far as it will go for now anyway. i feel like i'm trying to apply standards evenly and you're looking to get 1 side around them and hold the other to them.

that's how you get civil wars.

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Congress subpoenaed them, moron. Are you going to tell us that Hillary is free to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

They are not entitled to personal e-mails. The fact is that her attorney deleted the e-mails.

Prove it.

 

[bripat9643]

list the lies. i'd like to be specific and not generalize one side vs the other.

Ice, I’m not trying to avoid your question but if you haven’t notice Trumps lies about Russia then I’m kinda speechless. There have been so many. First off there is Flynn’s lie, your not denying that one are you? Trump had to fire him for it. That was a large catalyst to the investigation. Now that we have the mueller report many more lies have been exposed. Here is a list of a few with detailed quotes... but this is just the tip of the you

5 Times the Mueller Report Showed Trump and His Associates Didn't Tell the Truth

"after issuing thousand of subpoenas and interviewing hundreds of witnesses..."

5 "lies".

this is why i want to be specific. TRUMP LIES / TRUMP IS RACIST / TRUMP IS WHATEVER have been poured upon to the point where generic insults are taken as fact. i'm not denying anything all at this point but i'm also not going to talk in a generic sense.

i've not seen you call out hillary or obama for their "lies" so it does come across as convenient to only push what trump said and dismiss the common factor among all politicians.

so if you want to talk about trump lies - i am in no way saying he doesn't, but i'm also not going to say 'wow, yea he lies you win' and forget the rest of our recent history. so talk about the specific lies and let's go.

if you just say "trump lies" then i'm just not sure what you want from me.

You haven’t seen me call out Obama because I wasn’t on this board when he was prez and now that he isn’t in office I don’t really see the point. I e called out plenty of Dems who lie and hyperbolize about Trump, which many do. But all that is besides the point unless you want to be complacent with our elected leaders lying to us. I sure as hell am not, I don’t care what party they identify with.

That article only listed 5 lies but we all know there were several more. How many times did he publicly say No Connections with Russians?! You also don’t know how much of that evidence they already had before mueller.

Trump acted like a dirty guy trying to hide something. How do you not see that?

I will say on the flip side that the mueller investigation was waaay to long and expensive. Especially for the results it yielded.

Like I said, I'm simply not going to debate generalities.

Hillary deleted shit and the doj/fbi covered it up. How can you not see that? That is what happens when you debate generalities.

Clinton had every right to delete her personal e-mails. There is no evidence she meant to do anything but that. It was her personal attorney who did the actual deletions not Clinton. There is no evidence of a FBI/DOJ conspiracy.
-mail

No she didn't, douchebag. They were under subpoena. Destroying subpoenaed evidence is obstruction of justice, which is a crime.

 

[bripat9643]

i know comey was told to call it a matter, not an investigation.
i know comey was told to change "gross negligence" to "extreme carelessness"
i know page was has told the people digging the FBI was told to NOT charge Hillary

you tell me who's guiding what.

and you still continue to miss my point that if we allow people to pick and choose what evidence to turn over to people investigating them, what is the point of said investigation?

you'd not allow trump or people you don't like that luxury, she should not have it either. doing so is instant path to "WHY" that was never answered.

yoga/wedding plans.
WHY bleachbit boring info like that?

there's a lot of valid questions you blow by just to say "well the FBI didn't find anything..." when from what i can see, their very actions are now being reviewed.

we'll see where it goes. pretty much sounds like we've taken this as far as it will go for now anyway. i feel like i'm trying to apply standards evenly and you're looking to get 1 side around them and hold the other to them.

that's how you get civil wars.

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Congress subpoenaed them, moron. Are you going to tell us that Hillary is free to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

They did? Do you have a link to more info about that?

Trump: Clinton deleted 33,000 emails after getting subpoena

 

[Slade3200]

Yo

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Simple question... Do you trust who you are investigating to be honest either way? And If guilty, what would she do given the opportunity.?

2 questions. I cheated.

Do I trust who I’m investigating? No I’m skeptical.

If guilty what would she do? I’ll answer this but let me ask for clarification... if guilty of what?

Having anything she shouldn't in email?

Let's say she does, what would she do if the fbi were coming for it?

I couldn’t say for sure... she would either try and hide it or try to avoid giving them the info.

But she did turn over her emails and classified info was found in her messages. She was found guilty of what they were investigating, it just wasn’t determined to rise to the level of criminal prosecution

She didn't turn over everything. What did she do again?

That's one hell of a leap of faith to think in deleting 33k mails and bleach bitting a drive to get it to id of yoga talk seems a bit flimsy as the fbi is driving to your door.

You can give her that. I give NO ONE that.

You seem caught up on this yoga business. I’m sure it’s safe to say that she didn’t delete 30k yoga emails but it is totally believable that she deleted 30k emails involving running a presidential campaign that she wouldn’t want out there. Also we dont know what the FBI needed, asked for, and received. The FBI knows that. And the FBI didn’t seem to have a problem with what went down. We are the uninformed here

 

[bripat9643]

i know comey was told to call it a matter, not an investigation.
i know comey was told to change "gross negligence" to "extreme carelessness"
i know page was has told the people digging the FBI was told to NOT charge Hillary

you tell me who's guiding what.

and you still continue to miss my point that if we allow people to pick and choose what evidence to turn over to people investigating them, what is the point of said investigation?

you'd not allow trump or people you don't like that luxury, she should not have it either. doing so is instant path to "WHY" that was never answered.

yoga/wedding plans.
WHY bleachbit boring info like that?

there's a lot of valid questions you blow by just to say "well the FBI didn't find anything..." when from what i can see, their very actions are now being reviewed.

we'll see where it goes. pretty much sounds like we've taken this as far as it will go for now anyway. i feel like i'm trying to apply standards evenly and you're looking to get 1 side around them and hold the other to them.

that's how you get civil wars.

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Congress subpoenaed them, moron. Are you going to tell us that Hillary is free to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

They are not entitled to personal e-mails. The fact is that her attorney deleted the e-mails.

ROFL! You believe they are entitled to Trump's tax returns and his financial records, but they aren't entitled to personal emails? Do you believe the FBI didn't confiscate Cohen's personal emails? Roger Stone's? Flynn's? Manafort's?

 

[Slade3200]

Yo

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Simple question... Do you trust who you are investigating to be honest either way? And If guilty, what would she do given the opportunity.?

2 questions. I cheated.

Do I trust who I’m investigating? No I’m skeptical.

If guilty what would she do? I’ll answer this but let me ask for clarification... if guilty of what?

Having anything she shouldn't in email?

Let's say she does, what would she do if the fbi were coming for it?

I couldn’t say for sure... she would either try and hide it or try to avoid giving them the info.

But she did turn over her emails and classified info was found in her messages. She was found guilty of what they were investigating, it just wasn’t determined to rise to the level of criminal prosecution

She didn't turn over everything. What did she do again?

That's one hell of a leap of faith to think in deleting 33k mails and bleach bitting a drive to get it to id of yoga talk seems a bit flimsy as the fbi is driving to your door.

You can give her that. I give NO ONE that.

You seem caught up on this yoga business. I’m sure it’s safe to say that she didn’t delete 30k yoga emails but it is totally believable that she deleted 30k emails involving running a presidential campaign that she wouldn’t want out there. Also we dont know what the FBI needed, asked for, and received. The FBI knows that. And the FBI didn’t seem to have a problem with what went down. We are the uninformed here

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

And that was the situation I believe she deliberately set up. If she had carefully kept work emails totally separated from personal, she would not have been allowed to delete any of them. By mingling them, she had coverage to delete what she wanted.

How do you know any of that? Did you see how the server was configured? What info was requested, what was delivered? Cause the FBI did and didn’t seem to have a problem with what went down

I know that had the server been used solely for Sec State purposes, there would have been no question about deleting anything. Likewise if it were solely personal.

The server was used for both personal and business, that was the issue and it appears you don’t know any of the details that I just asked about. So you don’t really have enough info to make an informed opinion on the matter

I have enough details to know that had she kept all work related emails in government provided systems completely separated from personal business, there would be no controversy about what could be deleted and what could not. By doing this, she opened the door to a lot that she could have easily avoided.

You are right and as a result she was investigated by the FBI received a very public scolding for careless behavior from the director and likely lost a presidential election. What more do you want?

 

[hadit]

And that was the situation I believe she deliberately set up. If she had carefully kept work emails totally separated from personal, she would not have been allowed to delete any of them. By mingling them, she had coverage to delete what she wanted.

How do you know any of that? Did you see how the server was configured? What info was requested, what was delivered? Cause the FBI did and didn’t seem to have a problem with what went down

I know that had the server been used solely for Sec State purposes, there would have been no question about deleting anything. Likewise if it were solely personal.

The server was used for both personal and business, that was the issue and it appears you don’t know any of the details that I just asked about. So you don’t really have enough info to make an informed opinion on the matter

I have enough details to know that had she kept all work related emails in government provided systems completely separated from personal business, there would be no controversy about what could be deleted and what could not. By doing this, she opened the door to a lot that she could have easily avoided.

You are right and as a result she was investigated by the FBI received a very public scolding for careless behavior from the director and likely lost a presidential election. What more do you want?

For her to be treated the same way any low ranking member of the military would be for the same level of carelessness.

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve been trying to answer all your questions. I’ve been critical of how Clinton handled the situation. But I’m also not going over the deep end. I don’t think using the word matter matters in the slightest, I don’t think change gross negligence matters either. In highly charged political times every word matters so it’s fine to be careful not to fan the flames. We see Barr using words like spying to fan the flames on his side. Are you complaining about that?

As far as turning in emails, she was only asked to turn in work emails not personal. As far as we know that’s what she did. What makes you think otherwise?

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Congress subpoenaed them, moron. Are you going to tell us that Hillary is free to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

They did? Do you have a link to more info about that?

Trump: Clinton deleted 33,000 emails after getting subpoena

Thank you... from your link


———

However, the implication — that Clinton deleted emails relevant to the subpoena in order to avoid scrutiny — is unprovable if not flat wrong.

The FBI’s investigation did find several thousand emails among those deleted that were work-related and should have been turned over to the State Department. However, FBI Director James Comey said in a July 2016 statement that the FBI investigation "found no evidence that any of the additional work-related emails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them."

Comey added in a later congressional hearing that the FBI learned no one on Clinton’s staff specifically asked the employee to delete the emails following the New York Times story and subpoena. Rather, the employee made that decision on his own.

Clinton told the FBI that she did was not involved in deciding whether individual emails should be sent to State Department, nor "did she instruct anyone to delete her emails to avoid complying with FOIA, State or FBI requests for information."

Our ruling

Trump said, "You (Hillary Clinton) get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails."

Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later.

The FBI found no evidence that the emails were deleted deliberately to avoid the subpoena or other requests. Clinton’s team requested for the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena came. They also argued that all the emails that would be relevant to the subpoena had already been turned over to the State Department.

We rate Trump’s claim Half True.

 

[iceberg]

Yo

Simple question... Do you trust who you are investigating to be honest either way? And If guilty, what would she do given the opportunity.?

2 questions. I cheated.

Do I trust who I’m investigating? No I’m skeptical.

If guilty what would she do? I’ll answer this but let me ask for clarification... if guilty of what?

Having anything she shouldn't in email?

Let's say she does, what would she do if the fbi were coming for it?

I couldn’t say for sure... she would either try and hide it or try to avoid giving them the info.

But she did turn over her emails and classified info was found in her messages. She was found guilty of what they were investigating, it just wasn’t determined to rise to the level of criminal prosecution

She didn't turn over everything. What did she do again?

That's one hell of a leap of faith to think in deleting 33k mails and bleach bitting a drive to get it to id of yoga talk seems a bit flimsy as the fbi is driving to your door.

You can give her that. I give NO ONE that.

You seem caught up on this yoga business. I’m sure it’s safe to say that she didn’t delete 30k yoga emails but it is totally believable that she deleted 30k emails involving running a presidential campaign that she wouldn’t want out there. Also we dont know what the FBI needed, asked for, and received. The FBI knows that. And the FBI didn’t seem to have a problem with what went down. We are the uninformed here

Shes under investigation. She doesn't get to pick what is relevant.

And if that's what was there SHE called them wedding plans and yoga.

Not me.

Maybe you should get mad at her for lying.

 

[iceberg]

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Congress subpoenaed them, moron. Are you going to tell us that Hillary is free to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

They did? Do you have a link to more info about that?

Trump: Clinton deleted 33,000 emails after getting subpoena

Thank you... from your link


———

However, the implication — that Clinton deleted emails relevant to the subpoena in order to avoid scrutiny — is unprovable if not flat wrong.

The FBI’s investigation did find several thousand emails among those deleted that were work-related and should have been turned over to the State Department. However, FBI Director James Comey said in a July 2016 statement that the FBI investigation "found no evidence that any of the additional work-related emails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them."

Comey added in a later congressional hearing that the FBI learned no one on Clinton’s staff specifically asked the employee to delete the emails following the New York Times story and subpoena. Rather, the employee made that decision on his own.

Clinton told the FBI that she did was not involved in deciding whether individual emails should be sent to State Department, nor "did she instruct anyone to delete her emails to avoid complying with FOIA, State or FBI requests for information."

Our ruling

Trump said, "You (Hillary Clinton) get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails."

Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later.

The FBI found no evidence that the emails were deleted deliberately to avoid the subpoena or other requests. Clinton’s team requested for the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena came. They also argued that all the emails that would be relevant to the subpoena had already been turned over to the State Department.

We rate Trump’s claim Half True.

How do you know any of that? Did you see how the server was configured? What info was requested, what was delivered? Cause the FBI did and didn’t seem to have a problem with what went down

I know that had the server been used solely for Sec State purposes, there would have been no question about deleting anything. Likewise if it were solely personal.

The server was used for both personal and business, that was the issue and it appears you don’t know any of the details that I just asked about. So you don’t really have enough info to make an informed opinion on the matter

I have enough details to know that had she kept all work related emails in government provided systems completely separated from personal business, there would be no controversy about what could be deleted and what could not. By doing this, she opened the door to a lot that she could have easily avoided.

You are right and as a result she was investigated by the FBI received a very public scolding for careless behavior from the director and likely lost a presidential election. What more do you want?

For her to be treated the same way any low ranking member of the military would be for the same level of carelessness.

I've shown the verbiage was changed.
I've shown that changed to allow "no intent" to matter.
Why the change?

If you are giving me ANY reason then would it apply to trump if they changed the wording to lessen his guilt?

I've never seen anyone allow it.

 

[bripat9643]

this is where you would be wrong.

EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Prevented FBI From Pursuing Gross Negligence Charges Against Clinton

gross negligence would not require intent.
extreme carelessness does not.

so they made comey change the wording so they could give her a way out.

as for what i think - what makes you think she did? again - if i ask you to turn something over because we're investigating you - YOU DO NOT get to pick and choose what to turn over. i simply am at a loss for words how to explain this any more deeply.

you're under suspicion enough to be under invesgi...a matter - and you delete info they are specifically wanting to look at and call is "yoga" and you give her every allowance you can so that it's fine and she's to be believed.

i've not seen you ever extend that same benefit of doubt to anyone you don't like. instead you say the FBI can be trusted to do their jobs but she's ok NOT trusting the FBI with that information. that alone is a contradiction to me that simply nullifies any point as biased to me.

Simple question, did the FBI ask Clinton to turn over the personal emails she sent on her private server? Did they ask for every email sent on her private server? Or did they ask for the work related emails sent on her server?

Congress subpoenaed them, moron. Are you going to tell us that Hillary is free to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

They did? Do you have a link to more info about that?

Trump: Clinton deleted 33,000 emails after getting subpoena

Thank you... from your link


———

However, the implication — that Clinton deleted emails relevant to the subpoena in order to avoid scrutiny — is unprovable if not flat wrong.

The FBI’s investigation did find several thousand emails among those deleted that were work-related and should have been turned over to the State Department. However, FBI Director James Comey said in a July 2016 statement that the FBI investigation "found no evidence that any of the additional work-related emails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them."

Comey added in a later congressional hearing that the FBI learned no one on Clinton’s staff specifically asked the employee to delete the emails following the New York Times story and subpoena. Rather, the employee made that decision on his own.

Clinton told the FBI that she did was not involved in deciding whether individual emails should be sent to State Department, nor "did she instruct anyone to delete her emails to avoid complying with FOIA, State or FBI requests for information."

Our ruling

Trump said, "You (Hillary Clinton) get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails."

Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later.

The FBI found no evidence that the emails were deleted deliberately to avoid the subpoena or other requests. Clinton’s team requested for the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena came. They also argued that all the emails that would be relevant to the subpoena had already been turned over to the State Department.

We rate Trump’s claim Half True.

What Comey says is immaterial because he's a proven liar who is implicated in the coverup. It doesn't matter whether the emails Clinton's minions deleted are "work related" because Congress subpoenaed all of them. No where does its subpoena say Clinton gets to determine which emails are relevant and which aren't.

No one cares what the FBI found because the FBI is criminally implicated in obstructing justice. All Clinton's emails are relevant to the subpoena because all of the emails is what the subpoena asked for.

You have to be incredibly gullible to believe all the horseshit you just posted.