UN Admits: Palestinians used UN schools to launch rockets and store weapons

[Osomir]

Once again attempting to point to other gross crimes in order to justify one that you happen to support is pretty barbaric. That's what terrorists do.

Once again you got it wrong. Israel mistakenly targeted the school during an all out war, because Hamas animals constantly use schools and hospitals for military purposes. Those are the facts.

The existence of the school as a place for civilian retreat wasn't a surprise to Israel.

Has it been proven that Isrsel targeted the school with the intention of killing civilians? No. But it has been proven that Hamas uses civilians as human shields, in hopes of incidents such as these to occur. Yet Hamas continues to enjoy total immunity despite this proven fact.

They don't enjoy immunity, they have been placed on our list of terrorist organizations specifically because of actions such as those.

oooooo that'll teach them.

It actually has pretty heavy impacts yes.

 

[rhodescholar]

That's what bombing a school full of civilians is.

If that school is housing terrorists firing from it, it is no longer a protected site. Proportionality is not the sole consideration for determining whether a site can be targeted, nor is it solely based upon military gains. Self defense is also a large factor, since if rocket/weapons fire is being sent form a site, even if civilians are present, that site can be directly attacked with sufficient suppression fire to quell and/or terminate that fire. The GC are quite clear on this.

 

[Osomir]

Not at all. I'm equating your lack of morals and standards with Hamas'.

You equivocated Israel with Hamas. Israel are the good guys and I'm pretty confident my morals are in the right place. Yours? Not so much.

Says the individual who justifies the intentional mowing down of massed civilian shields for the sake of little military gain .

It worked during WWII.

So did the Holocaust, that doesn't make it moral. We as a collective species have evolved past that point or at the very least, should strive to do so.

Thanks to Islamists, the Muslim world is devolving into barbaric medieval mentality. Palestinians are being ruled by such a group.

And you're contributing to it. Thanks for being part of the problem. I'd rather not support terrorist logic and talking points myself though.

 

[Osomir]

That's what bombing a school full of civilians is.

If that school is housing terrorists firing from it, it is no longer a protected site. Proportionality is not the sole consideration for determining whether a site can be targeted, nor is it solely based upon military gains. Self defense is also a large factor, since if rocket/weapons fire is being sent form a site, even if civilians are present, that site can be directly attacked with sufficient suppression fire to quell and/or terminate that fire. The GC are quite clear on this.

Proportionality is the sole determinate. Self defense equations are part of the proportionality equation.

 

[Roudy]

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.

Uh, when does Israel do that? Examples of intentional attacks on civilians, please.

The intentional bombing of a large scale apartment block, The striking of several UN schools, the use of cluster munitions in heavily concentrated population areas, the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure such as water supplies, etc. There are quite a few that have happened over the years.

Your list has the usual omissions and holes of a terrorist apologist. Israel went out of its way to warn the occupants to leave the premises that are being used for terrorist activity. No other country does or did that.

Again, your anger is solely directed at Israel. Funny how that works.

 

[rhodescholar]

Proportionality is based on well documented legal precedent of what constitutes adequate justification that we started to put together as an international community during WWII and after when we tried the Nazis for various war crimes. Israel is well aware of these boundaries and its military well versed in them; ignoring them is a deliberate act.

The Tokyo fire bombing and Dresden carpet bombing included? How about the atomic bombs killing several hundred thousand civilians? Obvious war crimes - BUT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to end the war.

Smart people understand that it is the resistance to all out war that is sustaining these conflicts, and that the GC actually work to prevent peace by allowing the terrorists to use human shields and survive to fight another day. The GC were admirable as an ideal, but in practical effect do nothing but elongate wars, causing far more deaths over time.

 

[Osomir]

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.

Uh, when does Israel do that? Examples of intentional attacks on civilians, please.

The intentional bombing of a large scale apartment block, The striking of several UN schools, the use of cluster munitions in heavily concentrated population areas, the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure such as water supplies, etc. There are quite a few that have happened over the years.

Your list has the usual omissions and holes of a terrorist apologist. Israel went out of its way to warn the occupants to leave the premises that are being used for terrorist activity. No other country does or did that.

Again, your anger is solely directed at Israel. Funny how that works.

My conversation is being directed at Israel because no one is trying to justify Hamas war crimes here. You're the only one attempting to justify war crimes so I am talking only to you about said war crimes.

 

[Roudy]

You equivocated Israel with Hamas. Israel are the good guys and I'm pretty confident my morals are in the right place. Yours? Not so much.

Says the individual who justifies the intentional mowing down of massed civilian shields for the sake of little military gain .

It worked during WWII.

So did the Holocaust, that doesn't make it moral. We as a collective species have evolved past that point or at the very least, should strive to do so.

Thanks to Islamists, the Muslim world is devolving into barbaric medieval mentality. Palestinians are being ruled by such a group.

And you're contributing to it. Thanks for being part of the problem. I'd rather not support terrorist logic and talking points myself though.

I'm contributing to it? Ha ha ha.

Actually it's apologists and appeasers like yourself that have contributed to the rise of the worst evils this world has seen. Your motive and anti Israel bias is obvious.

 

[rhodescholar]

The two are not mutually exclusive. It was a war crime for Hamas to use the school to store weapons at and it was a war crime for Israel to mow down a group of innocent human shields in order for marginal/negligible strategic gain.

You are factually incorrect. Re-read the GC.

 

[Osomir]

Proportionality is based on well documented legal precedent of what constitutes adequate justification that we started to put together as an international community during WWII and after when we tried the Nazis for various war crimes. Israel is well aware of these boundaries and its military well versed in them; ignoring them is a deliberate act.

The Tokyo fire bombing and Dresden carpet bombing included? How about the atomic bombs killing several hundred thousand civilians? Obvious war crimes - BUT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to end the war,

Once again, pointing to other potential incidents of morally questionable behavior doesn't in any way alleviate Israel of its responsible to abide by the laws of war to which it is a party.

Smart people understand that it is the resistance to all out war that is sustaining these conflicts, and that the GC actually work to prevent peace by allowing the terrorists to use human shields and survive to fight another day. The GC were admirable as an ideal, but in practical effect do nothing but elongate wars, causing far more deaths over time.

As a species, we have deemed total war unacceptable behavior of civilized societies; and good riddance.

 

[Osomir]

Says the individual who justifies the intentional mowing down of massed civilian shields for the sake of little military gain .

It worked during WWII.

So did the Holocaust, that doesn't make it moral. We as a collective species have evolved past that point or at the very least, should strive to do so.

Thanks to Islamists, the Muslim world is devolving into barbaric medieval mentality. Palestinians are being ruled by such a group.

And you're contributing to it. Thanks for being part of the problem. I'd rather not support terrorist logic and talking points myself though.

I'm contributing to it? Ha ha ha.

Actually it's apologists and appeasers like yourself that have contributed to the rise of the worst evils this world has seen. Your motive and anti Israel bias is obvious.

Yes. You are directly supporting the logic that terrorists depend on in order to justify their acts.

 

[Roudy]

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.

Uh, when does Israel do that? Examples of intentional attacks on civilians, please.

The intentional bombing of a large scale apartment block, The striking of several UN schools, the use of cluster munitions in heavily concentrated population areas, the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure such as water supplies, etc. There are quite a few that have happened over the years.

Your list has the usual omissions and holes of a terrorist apologist. Israel went out of its way to warn the occupants to leave the premises that are being used for terrorist activity. No other country does or did that.

Again, your anger is solely directed at Israel. Funny how that works.

My conversation is being directed at Israel because no one is trying to justify Hamas war crimes here. You're the only one attempting to justify war crimes so I am talking only to you about said war crimes.

War crime by Israel has not been determined.

But against Hamas it has, repeatedly. And it has been justified, repeatedly, especially by the Arab Muslim world. In fact they finance Hamas to continue such behavior. Get with the program.

 

[Roudy]

It worked during WWII.

So did the Holocaust, that doesn't make it moral. We as a collective species have evolved past that point or at the very least, should strive to do so.

Thanks to Islamists, the Muslim world is devolving into barbaric medieval mentality. Palestinians are being ruled by such a group.

And you're contributing to it. Thanks for being part of the problem. I'd rather not support terrorist logic and talking points myself though.

I'm contributing to it? Ha ha ha.

Actually it's apologists and appeasers like yourself that have contributed to the rise of the worst evils this world has seen. Your motive and anti Israel bias is obvious.

Yes. You are directly supporting the logic that terrorists depend on in order to justify their acts.

More cheap gibberish.

 

[rhodescholar]

The intentional bombing of a large scale apartment block, The striking of several UN schools, the use of cluster munitions in heavily concentrated population areas, the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure such as water supplies, etc. There are quite a few that have happened over the years.

I noticed you used not a single link, but the use of cluster bombs is not war crime, neither are striking "apartment blocks" or "UN schools" if they are being used as weapons depots or firing points. But you can continue spewing nonsense and hoping it sticks.

 

[Osomir]

War crime by isrsel has not been determined.

They absolutely have in the past, that being said, I am supportive of investigations, and critical of Israel for refusing to allow them / cooperate with them. Same for other governments in similar situations like Sri Lanka (though that just changed), and the Sudan.

 

[Roudy]

It also strikes me as incredibly faulty logic to suggest that just because I have stated that Israel might have committed war crimes in these acts means that I automatically equate them with Hamas. I don't. Hamas is worse.

Fine stop Hamas first and I bet nobody will have to force Israel to stop.

I am all for the marginalization of and/or the destruction of Hamas as an entity. That doesn't mean that I am in favor of Israeli war crimes though, or the war crimes of any state that fights other monsters.

I'd rather not turn myself into a monster while fighting monsters.

Israel hasn't been found guilty of a war crime.

 

[Osomir]

The intentional bombing of a large scale apartment block, The striking of several UN schools, the use of cluster munitions in heavily concentrated population areas, the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure such as water supplies, etc. There are quite a few that have happened over the years.

I noticed you used not a single link, but the use of cluster bombs is not war crime, neither are striking "apartment blocks" or "UN schools" if they are being used as weapons depots or firing points. But you can continue spewing nonsense and hoping it sticks.

The fact that there is a military presence in an area does not make it a legitimate target. you have to show that the strategic value of striking the target outweighs civilian costs associated with it. That's exactly what proportionality is.

 

[Osomir]

It also strikes me as incredibly faulty logic to suggest that just because I have stated that Israel might have committed war crimes in these acts means that I automatically equate them with Hamas. I don't. Hamas is worse.

Fine stop Hamas first and I bet nobody will have to force Israel to stop.

I am all for the marginalization of and/or the destruction of Hamas as an entity. That doesn't mean that I am in favor of Israeli war crimes though, or the war crimes of any state that fights other monsters.

I'd rather not turn myself into a monster while fighting monsters.

Israel hasn't been found guilty of a war crime.

It absolutely has in the past. It has even found itself guilty of aiding war crimes in the past through internal investigations.

 

[Roudy]

The intentional bombing of a large scale apartment block, The striking of several UN schools, the use of cluster munitions in heavily concentrated population areas, the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure such as water supplies, etc. There are quite a few that have happened over the years.

I noticed you used not a single link, but the use of cluster bombs is not war crime, neither are striking "apartment blocks" or "UN schools" if they are being used as weapons depots or firing points. But you can continue spewing nonsense and hoping it sticks.

Terrorist ass kissers do that often. They blurt out accusations and propaganda and when you ask them for proof they have nothing or quickly change the subject.

 

[Osomir]

The intentional bombing of a large scale apartment block, The striking of several UN schools, the use of cluster munitions in heavily concentrated population areas, the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure such as water supplies, etc. There are quite a few that have happened over the years.

I noticed you used not a single link, but the use of cluster bombs is not war crime, neither are striking "apartment blocks" or "UN schools" if they are being used as weapons depots or firing points. But you can continue spewing nonsense and hoping it sticks.

Terrorist ass kissers do that often. They blurt out accusations and propaganda and when you ask them for proof they have nothing or quickly change the subject.

Rulings by previous UN inquiries are hardly a secret.