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UN threatens to intervene in Detroit

But rich people are richer than ever. GM in Detroit profited BILLIONS by killing Americans.

Is everyone okay with that? Do you think that a $35 million fine is a fitting punishment for a corporation that profited billions while knowingly killing Americans by refusing to fix a very simple defect in their cars for almost a decade?

You're all getting pissed off at poor people who can't afford water while the fantastically wealthy get away with profiting off of killing Americans like you.


GM did not profit "by killing Americans". First off, I do not think that GM has made much of a profit at all for a number of years to amount to much. Secondly, there is always a cost-benefit analysis when it comes to product liability cases. If that offends your delicate sensibilities, then fine. However, if the price of your Chevy Cobalt increases $2-3,000.00, or more, because of the increased cost to make it both fool proof and as safe as possible, then you will be crying foul again because you cannot afford one.

Yes, GM may have let it slide a bit on safety concerns in this one, isolated incident. They will pay for it in the form of civil liability and harm to the brand. Well, actually we will pay for it, as equity holders. However, they most certainly were not profiting from the act of people dying. You are being terribly misleading here and you are libeling the company, which is a pretty despicable thing in itself and is something that demonstrates poor character on your part.

Grow up. This whole idea of punishing the wealthy is juvenile. There is no group of fat-cat white males sitting in a room lighting fine cigars with burning $100 bills while laughing at poor people. The company is owned by shareholders and managed by a Board of Directors who owe a fiduciary duty to those shareholders to maximize the value of their shares. The executives work for the Board. Individuals own shares, their 401(k) plans includes ownership of shares, people own funds that includes equity ownership, and in the case of GM, the American taxpayer has an equity ownership in the company. It is a publicly-owned company heavily regulated on many levels by the federal government.
Pay attention:

GM said Thursday it earned $1.2 billion, or 75 cents a share, in the quarter, down from $1.5 billion it earned a year earlier.
GM narrows European loss, improves profit at home - Jul. 25, 2013

$1.2b in one fiscal quarter? They're barely surviving. They should get another bailout.

GM killed Americans:

GM only counted drivers and front seat passengers who were killed in head-on accidents in which the air bag did not deploy. Passengers who died in side-impact accidents weren't counted because airbags aren't designed to deploy in side crashes. Fatalities of back seat passengers were also excluded from the total, because there are no rear airbags.
GM: Recall death toll may be more than 13 - Jun. 5, 2014

And knew about it:

Engineers Knew of Ignition Problems and Expected Drivers to Coast Out of Traffic, Documents Show
GM Engineers Dismissed Stalling Cobalt Dangers - WSJ

And has only paid back $35 million to America.
GM Will Pay $35 Million Fine Over Massive Safety Recall : The Two-Way : NPR

This is unforgivable.
 
Windsor to the rescue!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/canadians-fight-to-keep-water-on-for-79-000-in-detroit-1.2695043

In this article, some left wing Canadians are going to help those downtrodden Detroit folk arise and throw off their chains. Imagine, folks having to actually pay for what they are using!

The star witness of this CBC article has somehow racked up $6,000 in arrears. For our family, that would be about 20 years of water use. Maybe this hootchie momma needs to remember to turn off the tap, or get it fixed! And, if she ate less and skipped getting those ugly tats maybe she would be able to pay her bill.

And, for the Canadian activists, they know they have native bands in their own country with water supply problems. I guess its easier to do the 15 minute hop across the border to the third world conditions than the 15 hour drive to northern Ontario third world conditions.
 
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Why does anyone ever talk about "wealth redistribution"? Where the fuck do you see ANY of that going on? Where? The GLOBAL rich are richer than ever and only getting richer, so where is all of this "global wealth redistribution"?

Point out one example of rich people suffering at the hands of the impoverished masses. ANYWHERE. Communist China has billionaires. Where are rich people losing their fortunes to the moocher class?


Ok, I will take a smack at this softball.

In America, wealth redistribution is seen in the following:

Income taxes

Capital gains taxes (which is an income tax)

The 3.8% ACA surcharge tax on capital gains earnings in excess of $250,000.00

The benefits packages paid to employees as a result of the ACA and collective barraging agreements

The ad valorem taxes assessed by state and local governments

The matching Social Security and Medicare matching contributions that must be paid by employers

The compliance costs related to federal regulations

The fines and fees imposed by federal regulatory agencies

Unemployment tax contributions

The carbon emissions tax

Numerous federal and state highway taxes and usage fees required for distribution (trucking)

Excise taxes and tariffs

Now, when your commerce crosses international borders you have all of these expenses and taxes in each country. Plus, there are other taxes imposed upon foreign countries conducting business inside of countries. In some countries you have individual income tax rates that dwarf those in America. In addition, there is additional risk in conducting business overseas, including political risk.

Further, you have the leftist-socialist-anarchist assholes calling for redistribution. This international push is resulting in increased risk (meaning increased costs). There is slander, strikes, and violence spawning from this ideological rhetoric. Wealth is constantly being drained from the wealth creators all over the world, and the rate of loss is expanding as economies are faltering.

Don't be an asshole. Open your eyes. Maybe divert some of your income from buying weed and buy a book or two and educate yourself.
And with ALL OF THAT against them, the richest 1% of the population have reaped 95% of the financial gains since Obama was elected.

The wealthy are wealthier now than ever before in history, so in what way is Obama a "socialist"? You live in a fucked-up fantasy realm of pixies, dragons and oppressed rich people. "Open your eyes". Jesus Christ, man.
 
U.N. Confirms It Will Intervene in Detroit

Apparently the UN is threatening to intervene in Detroit and force it's inhabitants to be provided water even if they don't or can't pay for it.

Detroit is a microcosm of the liberal path. Destroy the city and hope for a federal and/or international takeover.

The article derailed in paranoid delusionville at "....U.N.-marked armored personnel carriers ..?. rolling through the streets... [of Detroit]"
 
Do you or do you not understand that "earnings" and "profits" are NOT the same thing?!
I'm sorry but no, I don't know or care.

First quarter automotive cash flow from operating activities of $2.0 billion and automotive free cash flow of $0.2 billion were both significantly improved compared with the first quarter of 2013. GM ended the quarter with very strong total automotive liquidity of $37.4 billion. Automotive cash and marketable securities was $27.0 billion compared with $27.9 billion at year-end 2013.
Earnings Releases - Quarterly Reports & Financial Releases | GM.com

Whatever economic terms you use- "earnings", "profits", "automotive free cash flow", etc.- the point is that GM had more than enough money to fix the problems in their cars before those problems killed Americans.
 
Why does anyone ever talk about "wealth redistribution"? Where the fuck do you see ANY of that going on? Where? The GLOBAL rich are richer than ever and only getting richer, so where is all of this "global wealth redistribution"?

Point out one example of rich people suffering at the hands of the impoverished masses. ANYWHERE. Communist China has billionaires. Where are rich people losing their fortunes to the moocher class?


Ok, I will take a smack at this softball.

In America, wealth redistribution is seen in the following:

Income taxes

Capital gains taxes (which is an income tax)

The 3.8% ACA surcharge tax on capital gains earnings in excess of $250,000.00

The benefits packages paid to employees as a result of the ACA and collective barraging agreements

The ad valorem taxes assessed by state and local governments

The matching Social Security and Medicare matching contributions that must be paid by employers

The compliance costs related to federal regulations

The fines and fees imposed by federal regulatory agencies

Unemployment tax contributions

The carbon emissions tax

Numerous federal and state highway taxes and usage fees required for distribution (trucking)

Excise taxes and tariffs

Now, when your commerce crosses international borders you have all of these expenses and taxes in each country. Plus, there are other taxes imposed upon foreign countries conducting business inside of countries. In some countries you have individual income tax rates that dwarf those in America. In addition, there is additional risk in conducting business overseas, including political risk.

Further, you have the leftist-socialist-anarchist assholes calling for redistribution. This international push is resulting in increased risk (meaning increased costs). There is slander, strikes, and violence spawning from this ideological rhetoric. Wealth is constantly being drained from the wealth creators all over the world, and the rate of loss is expanding as economies are faltering.

Don't be an asshole. Open your eyes. Maybe divert some of your income from buying weed and buy a book or two and educate yourself.
And with ALL OF THAT against them, the richest 1% of the population have reaped 95% of the financial gains since Obama was elected.

The wealthy are wealthier now than ever before in history, so in what way is Obama a "socialist"? You live in a fucked-up fantasy realm of pixies, dragons and oppressed rich people. "Open your eyes". Jesus Christ, man.

Damn no mention of the feds monopoly money a month?
 
Why does anyone ever talk about "wealth redistribution"? Where the fuck do you see ANY of that going on? Where? The GLOBAL rich are richer than ever and only getting richer, so where is all of this "global wealth redistribution"?



Point out one example of rich people suffering at the hands of the impoverished masses. ANYWHERE. Communist China has billionaires. Where are rich people losing their fortunes to the moocher class?





Ok, I will take a smack at this softball.



In America, wealth redistribution is seen in the following:



Income taxes



Capital gains taxes (which is an income tax)



The 3.8% ACA surcharge tax on capital gains earnings in excess of $250,000.00



The benefits packages paid to employees as a result of the ACA and collective barraging agreements



The ad valorem taxes assessed by state and local governments



The matching Social Security and Medicare matching contributions that must be paid by employers



The compliance costs related to federal regulations



The fines and fees imposed by federal regulatory agencies



Unemployment tax contributions



The carbon emissions tax



Numerous federal and state highway taxes and usage fees required for distribution (trucking)



Excise taxes and tariffs



Now, when your commerce crosses international borders you have all of these expenses and taxes in each country. Plus, there are other taxes imposed upon foreign countries conducting business inside of countries. In some countries you have individual income tax rates that dwarf those in America. In addition, there is additional risk in conducting business overseas, including political risk.



Further, you have the leftist-socialist-anarchist assholes calling for redistribution. This international push is resulting in increased risk (meaning increased costs). There is slander, strikes, and violence spawning from this ideological rhetoric. Wealth is constantly being drained from the wealth creators all over the world, and the rate of loss is expanding as economies are faltering.



Don't be an asshole. Open your eyes. Maybe divert some of your income from buying weed and buy a book or two and educate yourself.

And with ALL OF THAT against them, the richest 1% of the population have reaped 95% of the financial gains since Obama was elected.



The wealthy are wealthier now than ever before in history, so in what way is Obama a "socialist"? You live in a fucked-up fantasy realm of pixies, dragons and oppressed rich people. "Open your eyes". Jesus Christ, man.


What in the hell is your point? You are like a freakin' broken record. Obama is not a dictator (though, I acknowledge that some would disagree). He cannot effect drastic economic on his own. In fact, one reason income disparity has increased during "the dark years" (Obama years) is the Fed keeping the interest rates so low, which drives people to invest in the stock market. Secondly, I never called Obama a socialist. Do you even bother to read the posts you respond to? As far as living in a "fucked-up fantasy realm", you are the only one here talking about bogeymen and monsters.

Just shut the fuck up until you have something intelligent to say.


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Where is GM headquartered? Detroit, right? And how much did GM profit while killing Americans? In the billions, right? So Detroit residents can't afford water but GM can profit billions from killing Americans.

God bless the Land of The Free Corporate Market.

None of you have a problem with GM profiting billions while killing Americans? While the citizens in the city in which that corporation resides can't get clean water? No one cares about that? It's all liberals fault that GM profited so many billions of dollars while the city starved around them. It's Obama's fault. It's everyone's fault except GM, right?

GM paying for Detroit residents to have clean drinking water can be the beginning of GM's atonement for profiting off of the preventable deaths of Americans.

Same with most big corporations, make them pay locally, the local jobs go elsewhere.
 
Check out the UN Commissar on Water Rights.
What is she? 21 yrs old? SHE is gonna order Detroit to distribute free water
services?

Detroit 'must ensure it does not contravene human right to water' UN official Catarina de Albuquerque says - Americas - World - The Independent

Article says that England has policy not to disconnect unpaid customers. GUARANTEE -- in this country, you'd be paying 30% of your water bill for free-loaders.

if they can not shut off the water why bother to pay

--LOL

You've actually just nailed what this UN action is really about. It's about Human Rights.

In THIS COUNTRY -- we now have

Healthcare as a right.
Free phones as a right.
Free education as a right.
Family leave is a right.

Working on --
Low cost housing as a right.
Living Wages as a right.
Free energy as a right.
Free birth control as a right.
Unlimited immigration as a right.

Well we are not moving fast enough to keep up with the rest of the world.
Because obviously free showers and free water is also a right.

Where do we send the bills???
 
Check out the UN Commissar on Water Rights.
What is she? 21 yrs old? SHE is gonna order Detroit to distribute free water
services?

Detroit 'must ensure it does not contravene human right to water' UN official Catarina de Albuquerque says - Americas - World - The Independent

Article says that England has policy not to disconnect unpaid customers. GUARANTEE -- in this country, you'd be paying 30% of your water bill for free-loaders.

if they can not shut off the water why bother to pay

--LOL

You've actually just nailed what this UN action is really about. It's about Human Rights.

In THIS COUNTRY -- we now have

Healthcare as a right.
Free phones as a right.
Free education as a right.
Family leave is a right.

Working on --
Low cost housing as a right.
Living Wages as a right.
Free energy as a right.
Free birth control as a right.
Unlimited immigration as a right.

Well we are not moving fast enough to keep up with the rest of the world.
Because obviously free showers and free water is also a right.

Where do we send the bills???

all those free things has a cost

another has to be enslaved in order to pay for it
 
You people are amazing.

GM sucked up billions to itself while killing Americans, and all you can do is blame poor people for not being able to afford water.

What part of "GM can buy water for all of Detroit" is too difficult to comprehend? GM took public funds to stay in business and then killed members of the public. GM needs to fucking pay, and the most obvious way is to force the company to spend a small percentage of its blood-drenched profits on thousands of impoverished American citizens who will die without water.

The problem is that rich people don't care if poor people live or die.
 
Where is GM headquartered? Detroit, right? And how much did GM profit while killing Americans? In the billions, right? So Detroit residents can't afford water but GM can profit billions from killing Americans.

God bless the Land of The Free Corporate Market.

None of you have a problem with GM profiting billions while killing Americans? While the citizens in the city in which that corporation resides can't get clean water? No one cares about that? It's all liberals fault that GM profited so many billions of dollars while the city starved around them. It's Obama's fault. It's everyone's fault except GM, right?

GM paying for Detroit residents to have clean drinking water can be the beginning of GM's atonement for profiting off of the preventable deaths of Americans.

The GM ignition switch "problem" is mostly a scam. Honestly...if I had a car with the "bad" switch, I'm not even sure I'd bother to bring it in. (Of course, I DON'T hang 4 pounds of junk on my keychain!)

You probably know how to shift a car that has stalled into neutral and restart it too lol.
 
You people are amazing.

GM sucked up billions to itself while killing Americans, and all you can do is blame poor people for not being able to afford water.

What part of "GM can buy water for all of Detroit" is too difficult to comprehend? GM took public funds to stay in business and then killed members of the public. GM needs to fucking pay, and the most obvious way is to force the company to spend a small percentage of its blood-drenched profits on thousands of impoverished American citizens who will die without water.

The problem is that rich people don't care if poor people live or die.

GM, Ford, and Chrysler gave to Detroit and the corrupt politicians and failed policies killed the city. You should be grateful they are still there.
 
You people are amazing.

GM sucked up billions to itself while killing Americans, and all you can do is blame poor people for not being able to afford water.

What part of "GM can buy water for all of Detroit" is too difficult to comprehend? GM took public funds to stay in business and then killed members of the public. GM needs to fucking pay, and the most obvious way is to force the company to spend a small percentage of its blood-drenched profits on thousands of impoverished American citizens who will die without water.

The problem is that rich people don't care if poor people live or die.

you commies are disgusting......it's gimmee...gimmee....gimmeee....nonstop...

Obama gave GM our money when GM should have just gone bankrupt instead....

Detroit is bankrupt because of the gimmee commies that ran the city into the ground...
 
Check out the UN Commissar on Water Rights.
What is she? 21 yrs old? SHE is gonna order Detroit to distribute free water
services?

Detroit 'must ensure it does not contravene human right to water' UN official Catarina de Albuquerque says - Americas - World - The Independent

Article says that England has policy not to disconnect unpaid customers. GUARANTEE -- in this country, you'd be paying 30% of your water bill for free-loaders.

if they can not shut off the water why bother to pay

--LOL

You've actually just nailed what this UN action is really about. It's about Human Rights.

In THIS COUNTRY -- we now have

Healthcare as a right.
Free phones as a right.
Free education as a right.
Family leave is a right.

Working on --
Low cost housing as a right.
Living Wages as a right.
Free energy as a right.
Free birth control as a right.
Unlimited immigration as a right.

Well we are not moving fast enough to keep up with the rest of the world.
Because obviously free showers and free water is also a right.

Where do we send the bills???

What's the point of keeping the UN around anymore.....?

we should just pull out and stop funding it and let these world socialist commies pay for their own meeting place in some other country...they're nothing but a bunch of leeches.....their values are not American values....
 
You people are amazing.

GM sucked up billions to itself while killing Americans, and all you can do is blame poor people for not being able to afford water.

What part of "GM can buy water for all of Detroit" is too difficult to comprehend? GM took public funds to stay in business and then killed members of the public. GM needs to fucking pay, and the most obvious way is to force the company to spend a small percentage of its blood-drenched profits on thousands of impoverished American citizens who will die without water.

The problem is that rich people don't care if poor people live or die.

you commies are disgusting......it's gimmee...gimmee....gimmeee....nonstop...

Obama gave GM our money when GM should have just gone bankrupt instead....

Detroit is bankrupt because of the gimmee commies that ran the city into the ground...
It was Bush that bailed out GM, Republicunt.

But, yes, Republicunt, this is about "gimmee, gimmee, gimmee." Gimmee Justice like we live in a civilized country. Gimmee some hope that Justice doesn't serve the Almighty failing dollar. Gimmee some idea that our nation's laws serve Justice instead of only serving the highest bidder.

You're perfectly fine with rich people making billions of dollars off of the deaths of American citizens, but you draw the line at poor people wanting water to survive.

You people are fucking sick.
 
You people are amazing.

GM sucked up billions to itself while killing Americans, and all you can do is blame poor people for not being able to afford water.

What part of "GM can buy water for all of Detroit" is too difficult to comprehend? GM took public funds to stay in business and then killed members of the public. GM needs to fucking pay, and the most obvious way is to force the company to spend a small percentage of its blood-drenched profits on thousands of impoverished American citizens who will die without water.

The problem is that rich people don't care if poor people live or die.

you commies are disgusting......it's gimmee...gimmee....gimmeee....nonstop...

Obama gave GM our money when GM should have just gone bankrupt instead....

Detroit is bankrupt because of the gimmee commies that ran the city into the ground...
It was Bush that bailed out GM, Republicunt.

But, yes, Republicunt, this is about "gimmee, gimmee, gimmee." Gimmee Justice like we live in a civilized country. Gimmee some hope that Justice doesn't serve the Almighty failing dollar. Gimmee some idea that our nation's laws serve Justice instead of only serving the highest bidder.

You're perfectly fine with rich people making billions of dollars off of the deaths of American citizens, but you draw the line at poor people wanting water to survive.

You people are fucking sick.

you're one sick ignorant ass...the only fucking so-called "justice" you can relate to is 'commie gimmeeee justice' which is nothing but ANTI-American CRAP that you losers want to fill America with like you did in Detroit where you ran a top-notech city into the fucking ground.....:fu:
 

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