Uncomfortable FACT about Ferguson for conservatives...

[orogenicman]

WTF? The man owed 8 million dollars in grazing fees, and he owed them because he NEVER paid those fees IN THE FIRST PLACE, when everyone else did. The land was and is not his or his family's. It belongs to you and me. And so if you lease land from the government (you and me) you pay the grazing fees. Period. End of story. Moreover, he not only grazed that land without paying for the priveledge, he overgrazed it which damaged the productivity of that land.

Grazing fees on PUBLIC land. Land that he had as much right to be on as anyone else, since he's a US Citizen. I don't believe in fees to use PUBLIC land. Then again, outside of the original contraints of Washington, DC and US Military Posts I don't believe the US Government should own any land.

He only has a right to those lands IF HE PAYS THE GRAZING FEES. If he or you don't believe in charging fees to use public lands, you can go suck eggs. That is the law. You don't get to break the law just because you don't believe in it.

You are FULL OF SHIT. The so called POS government RAN ALL THE RANCHERS BUT HIM OUT OF BUSINESS. They limited the number of cows you could have to a number that is LOWER THAN THE NUMBER OF COWS A RANCHER CAN RUN A RANCH WITH. This is not about grazing fees this is about KILLING EVERY COW IN THAT AREA.

The real reason they are having difficulty is the present multiyear drought (about which nothing has been done because you wingnuts refuse to believe global warming is real and have fought every measure to mitigate it), which is wreaking havoc on the land out west. The BLM has put restrictions on the number of cattle on those lands to keep them from being overgrazed during this drought. If those restrictions were not put in place, mother nature would do the job for the government and kill every last cow on that range. And it is likely that mother nature is going to win out in the end at any rate and decimate that land, and your rancher buddy is going to be out of business (assuming the government doesn't lock him up first).

Bull shit.

Really? That's your learned response? Oh dear.

 

[RKMBrown]

Grazing fees on PUBLIC land. Land that he had as much right to be on as anyone else, since he's a US Citizen. I don't believe in fees to use PUBLIC land. Then again, outside of the original contraints of Washington, DC and US Military Posts I don't believe the US Government should own any land.

He only has a right to those lands IF HE PAYS THE GRAZING FEES. If he or you don't believe in charging fees to use public lands, you can go suck eggs. That is the law. You don't get to break the law just because you don't believe in it.

You are FULL OF SHIT. The so called POS government RAN ALL THE RANCHERS BUT HIM OUT OF BUSINESS. They limited the number of cows you could have to a number that is LOWER THAN THE NUMBER OF COWS A RANCHER CAN RUN A RANCH WITH. This is not about grazing fees this is about KILLING EVERY COW IN THAT AREA.

The real reason they are having difficulty is the present multiyear drought (about which nothing has been done because you wingnuts refuse to believe global warming is real and have fought every measure to mitigate it), which is wreaking havoc on the land out west. The BLM has put restrictions on the number of cattle on those lands to keep them from being overgrazed during this drought. If those restrictions were not put in place, mother nature would do the job for the government and kill every last cow on that range. And it is likely that mother nature is going to win out in the end at any rate and decimate that land, and your rancher buddy is going to be out of business (assuming the government doesn't lock him up first).

Bull shit.

Really? That's your learned response? Oh dear.

Bull shit, is short for YOU ARE A POS LYING ASSHOLE THAT GETS ON HIS KNEES FOR GOVERNMENT GOONS.

 

[orogenicman]

He only has a right to those lands IF HE PAYS THE GRAZING FEES. If he or you don't believe in charging fees to use public lands, you can go suck eggs. That is the law. You don't get to break the law just because you don't believe in it.

You are FULL OF SHIT. The so called POS government RAN ALL THE RANCHERS BUT HIM OUT OF BUSINESS. They limited the number of cows you could have to a number that is LOWER THAN THE NUMBER OF COWS A RANCHER CAN RUN A RANCH WITH. This is not about grazing fees this is about KILLING EVERY COW IN THAT AREA.

The real reason they are having difficulty is the present multiyear drought (about which nothing has been done because you wingnuts refuse to believe global warming is real and have fought every measure to mitigate it), which is wreaking havoc on the land out west. The BLM has put restrictions on the number of cattle on those lands to keep them from being overgrazed during this drought. If those restrictions were not put in place, mother nature would do the job for the government and kill every last cow on that range. And it is likely that mother nature is going to win out in the end at any rate and decimate that land, and your rancher buddy is going to be out of business (assuming the government doesn't lock him up first).

Bull shit.

Really? That's your learned response? Oh dear.

Bull shit, is short for YOU ARE A POS LYING ASSHOLE THAT GETS ON HIS KNEES FOR GOVERNMENT GOONS.

You really should get some therapy for your anger management issues, because - damn.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

If we're so wrong...What should Wilson of done? Brown was attempting to get his gun, for crying out loud.

Done? Same thing he would have done with a white kid, ignored it.

So you're saying that Officer Wilson was picking on Michael Brown that day only because of his skin color and if Brown had been white and had robbed a convenience store and walked down the middle of the street he would have simply told him to "have a nice day!"

Funny thing, Paint...Officer Wilson had been on the police force in Ferguson for six years and in that time he had ZERO complaints against him by any black person. How can that be? How could such a complete racist as you claim Officer Wilson to be, have gotten away with policing a black neighborhood for that amount of time and never shown his racism?

Have a nice day would have been close, but he would have let him cross the street instead of shooting him the middle of it.

I guess he shouldn't have resisted arrest. Instead he should have obeyed the cop and followed his instructions. How many people die from a routine traffic stop paint? Doesn't sound like you have much common sense up there, if you think resisting with a man who has a loaded weapon is a good idea.

 

[1776]

Liberal scum are trying to claim it is common place for white cops to roll into black areas and gun down black males for "no reason."

The black males weren't doing a crime like robbery, assault, jaywalking then assaulting a police officer in this case. Nah, Brown was dressed in a Bunny suit handing out candy to poor black kids in the street when the white cop blasted him, is the liberal lie.

 

[Bfgrn]

The narrative that Wilson tried to hit the two young men with his SUV was provided by Brown's little buddy, Dorian Johnson. Your problem with his testimony is that Dorian has a bad habit of lying his ass off to make himself look good. If you'll recall, Johnson originally said that he met up with Michael Brown outside of the convenience store. When it became public knowledge that there was a tape showing what happened inside of the store that day, Johnson changed that story completely, admitting he was in the store with Brown but that he (Johnson) didn't steal anything.

The more I read you posts here, it is clear you are a real piece of shit. Comparing human beings to hunting wild animals.

Wilson was not hunting wild animals. His job was to arrest and then let a judge and/or jury decide guilt or innocence and hand out proper justice. Wilson served as judge, jury and executioner. He executed a human being. This cop refused carry or use non lethal weapons or drive away and allow backup to arrive. He testified that a tazer was too cumbersome and pepper spray might get in his eyes. He made NO effort to seek a non lethal way to resolve this confrontation. He is not a peace officer. He is a thug with a badge.

I never said that Wilson was hunting animals. I simply made the point that someone can run quite a distance when shot. The fact that you turned what I said into my calling Michael Brown an animal shows just how over the top you're willing to go with this whole thing!

Officer Wilson didn't serve as "judge, jury and executioner"...he simply did his job that morning. What happened was totally the fault of the man who ended up dead on the ground. It wasn't Wilson who woke up with an attitude that day. It wasn't Wilson who decided to rob a store and push around the clerk who tried to stop him. It wasn't Wilson who decided to stroll down the center line of the street holding the cigars he's just stolen. It wasn't Wilson who refused to get out of the street. It wasn't Wilson who reached inside that SUV window and repeatedly struck a police officer. It wasn't Wilson who refused to surrender ever after being shot.

Darren Wilson had been on the job for six years and that was the first time he'd ever shot his gun. To call him a "thug with a badge" is such hyperbole that it's absurd even for you. Police don't "drive away" when they confront felons. They confront them. That's their JOB! That's what that officer did that day...HIS JOB! Nothing more...nothing less.

Michael Brown was executed. That is not the sentence for petty larceny and disobeying a police officer.

Officer Wilson's attitude created the scenario that ended with this tragedy. He rejected the use of all non lethal weapons at his disposal, because they were either too cumbersome or he might get a little pepper in his own eyes. So when a confrontation manifested, he had only ONE weapon at his disposal...a LETHAL one. There is nothing written in law that an officer can't retreat to a safe distance and wait for backup to arrive. He could have driven a few hundred feet to buy time for backup to arrive and assist in the apprehension of a UNARMED young man.

It is amazing just how incurious and unquestioning you folks are when it comes to the GOVERNMENT agencies you folks support. And it is ironic that all those agencies dole out death to citizens.

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Micheal Brown didn't "disobey" a police officer...Michael Brown committed assault and battery on a police officer! Michael Brown tried to wrestle a police officer's gun away from him after striking him! What part of that concept don't you grasp? Do you think somehow that there should have been a "trial" conducted in the midst of that fight to determine what Officer Wilson's response was allowed to be? How does that work in your naive little world, Bfgrn? I'd really like to know...

Brown confronted an agent of GOVERNMENT. He was executed and you folks cheer for GOVERNMENT...

Got it!

 

[orogenicman]

The narrative that Wilson tried to hit the two young men with his SUV was provided by Brown's little buddy, Dorian Johnson. Your problem with his testimony is that Dorian has a bad habit of lying his ass off to make himself look good. If you'll recall, Johnson originally said that he met up with Michael Brown outside of the convenience store. When it became public knowledge that there was a tape showing what happened inside of the store that day, Johnson changed that story completely, admitting he was in the store with Brown but that he (Johnson) didn't steal anything.

The more I read you posts here, it is clear you are a real piece of shit. Comparing human beings to hunting wild animals.

Wilson was not hunting wild animals. His job was to arrest and then let a judge and/or jury decide guilt or innocence and hand out proper justice. Wilson served as judge, jury and executioner. He executed a human being. This cop refused carry or use non lethal weapons or drive away and allow backup to arrive. He testified that a tazer was too cumbersome and pepper spray might get in his eyes. He made NO effort to seek a non lethal way to resolve this confrontation. He is not a peace officer. He is a thug with a badge.

I never said that Wilson was hunting animals. I simply made the point that someone can run quite a distance when shot. The fact that you turned what I said into my calling Michael Brown an animal shows just how over the top you're willing to go with this whole thing!

Officer Wilson didn't serve as "judge, jury and executioner"...he simply did his job that morning. What happened was totally the fault of the man who ended up dead on the ground. It wasn't Wilson who woke up with an attitude that day. It wasn't Wilson who decided to rob a store and push around the clerk who tried to stop him. It wasn't Wilson who decided to stroll down the center line of the street holding the cigars he's just stolen. It wasn't Wilson who refused to get out of the street. It wasn't Wilson who reached inside that SUV window and repeatedly struck a police officer. It wasn't Wilson who refused to surrender ever after being shot.

Darren Wilson had been on the job for six years and that was the first time he'd ever shot his gun. To call him a "thug with a badge" is such hyperbole that it's absurd even for you. Police don't "drive away" when they confront felons. They confront them. That's their JOB! That's what that officer did that day...HIS JOB! Nothing more...nothing less.

Michael Brown was executed. That is not the sentence for petty larceny and disobeying a police officer.

Officer Wilson's attitude created the scenario that ended with this tragedy. He rejected the use of all non lethal weapons at his disposal, because they were either too cumbersome or he might get a little pepper in his own eyes. So when a confrontation manifested, he had only ONE weapon at his disposal...a LETHAL one. There is nothing written in law that an officer can't retreat to a safe distance and wait for backup to arrive. He could have driven a few hundred feet to buy time for backup to arrive and assist in the apprehension of a UNARMED young man.

It is amazing just how incurious and unquestioning you folks are when it comes to the GOVERNMENT agencies you folks support. And it is ironic that all those agencies dole out death to citizens.

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Micheal Brown didn't "disobey" a police officer...Michael Brown committed assault and battery on a police officer! Michael Brown tried to wrestle a police officer's gun away from him after striking him! What part of that concept don't you grasp? Do you think somehow that there should have been a "trial" conducted in the midst of that fight to determine what Officer Wilson's response was allowed to be? How does that work in your naive little world, Bfgrn? I'd really like to know...

Brown confronted an agent of GOVERNMENT. He was executed and you folks cheer for GOVERNMENT...

Got it!

No doubt, if Brown had gotten the gun away from Wilson and shot and killed him, you would have cheered him on.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Mike Brown supporters have alrdy killed one witness against him . Done during the riots, friend who was with Brown looking over his shoulder too.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Uncomfortable fact for morons about Ferguson:
Michael Brown is dead and your incessant whining about it won't change that FACT

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

With regard to Ferguson, I thought our system is founded and operates under the concept of innocent until proven guilty under a court of law, this is why we don't have public hangings.

On another note. Does anyone recall how many buildings were vandalized, property burned down, and businesses looted by those unhappy with the verdict surrounding the Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman murders?

.... I don't either.

According to the Left, only those who meet with the approval of the liberal establishment are afforded this comfort.
As for the rest of us, it not what can be proven, all that matters is the seriousness of the charges

Well for the left, there is no accountability for your actions, no questioning of what Brown was doing trying to resist arrest in the first place. It's not about the crime that he was involved in. Rather, they coddle and make excuses for the criminal, and how we need to protect them from the big bad evil enforcer. It's no wonder our society is so screwed up like it is. Next the left will glorify and stand up for those vandals who destroy and loot other people's property, it just doesn't end for them.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

WTF? The man owed 8 million dollars in grazing fees, and he owed them because he NEVER paid those fees IN THE FIRST PLACE, when everyone else did. The land was and is not his or his family's. It belongs to you and me. And so if you lease land from the government (you and me) you pay the grazing fees. Period. End of story. Moreover, he not only grazed that land without paying for the priveledge, he overgrazed it which damaged the productivity of that land.

Grazing fees on PUBLIC land. Land that he had as much right to be on as anyone else, since he's a US Citizen. I don't believe in fees to use PUBLIC land. Then again, outside of the original contraints of Washington, DC and US Military Posts I don't believe the US Government should own any land.

He only has a right to those lands IF HE PAYS THE GRAZING FEES. If he or you don't believe in charging fees to use public lands, you can go suck eggs. That is the law. You don't get to break the law just because you don't believe in it.

Perhaps he should have been an illegal immigrant. It's rather interesting when we choose to make "obeying the law" an important issue.

If he was an illegal immigrant, he would not have access to that land for grazing purposes.

The illegal immigrant has access to free education and a drivers license. I just find this argument of yours rather hilarious, to be honest, that "obeying the law" is such a big important issue that we should be paying attention to and obeying in this country. We just pick and choose which ones we want to enforce that are a "big deal" - lol ... and which ones we can merely overlook.

 

[Bfgrn]

The more I read you posts here, it is clear you are a real piece of shit. Comparing human beings to hunting wild animals.

Wilson was not hunting wild animals. His job was to arrest and then let a judge and/or jury decide guilt or innocence and hand out proper justice. Wilson served as judge, jury and executioner. He executed a human being. This cop refused carry or use non lethal weapons or drive away and allow backup to arrive. He testified that a tazer was too cumbersome and pepper spray might get in his eyes. He made NO effort to seek a non lethal way to resolve this confrontation. He is not a peace officer. He is a thug with a badge.

I never said that Wilson was hunting animals. I simply made the point that someone can run quite a distance when shot. The fact that you turned what I said into my calling Michael Brown an animal shows just how over the top you're willing to go with this whole thing!

Officer Wilson didn't serve as "judge, jury and executioner"...he simply did his job that morning. What happened was totally the fault of the man who ended up dead on the ground. It wasn't Wilson who woke up with an attitude that day. It wasn't Wilson who decided to rob a store and push around the clerk who tried to stop him. It wasn't Wilson who decided to stroll down the center line of the street holding the cigars he's just stolen. It wasn't Wilson who refused to get out of the street. It wasn't Wilson who reached inside that SUV window and repeatedly struck a police officer. It wasn't Wilson who refused to surrender ever after being shot.

Darren Wilson had been on the job for six years and that was the first time he'd ever shot his gun. To call him a "thug with a badge" is such hyperbole that it's absurd even for you. Police don't "drive away" when they confront felons. They confront them. That's their JOB! That's what that officer did that day...HIS JOB! Nothing more...nothing less.

Michael Brown was executed. That is not the sentence for petty larceny and disobeying a police officer.

Officer Wilson's attitude created the scenario that ended with this tragedy. He rejected the use of all non lethal weapons at his disposal, because they were either too cumbersome or he might get a little pepper in his own eyes. So when a confrontation manifested, he had only ONE weapon at his disposal...a LETHAL one. There is nothing written in law that an officer can't retreat to a safe distance and wait for backup to arrive. He could have driven a few hundred feet to buy time for backup to arrive and assist in the apprehension of a UNARMED young man.

It is amazing just how incurious and unquestioning you folks are when it comes to the GOVERNMENT agencies you folks support. And it is ironic that all those agencies dole out death to citizens.

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Micheal Brown didn't "disobey" a police officer...Michael Brown committed assault and battery on a police officer! Michael Brown tried to wrestle a police officer's gun away from him after striking him! What part of that concept don't you grasp? Do you think somehow that there should have been a "trial" conducted in the midst of that fight to determine what Officer Wilson's response was allowed to be? How does that work in your naive little world, Bfgrn? I'd really like to know...

Brown confronted an agent of GOVERNMENT. He was executed and you folks cheer for GOVERNMENT...

Got it!

No doubt, if Brown had gotten the gun away from Wilson and shot and killed him, you would have cheered him on.

No doubt huh? Based on what? I believe this could have and should have been handled without anyone being executed. Officer Wilson or Micheal Brown. Officer Wilson could have driven a few hundred yards and waited for backup.

 

[orogenicman]

WTF? The man owed 8 million dollars in grazing fees, and he owed them because he NEVER paid those fees IN THE FIRST PLACE, when everyone else did. The land was and is not his or his family's. It belongs to you and me. And so if you lease land from the government (you and me) you pay the grazing fees. Period. End of story. Moreover, he not only grazed that land without paying for the priveledge, he overgrazed it which damaged the productivity of that land.

Grazing fees on PUBLIC land. Land that he had as much right to be on as anyone else, since he's a US Citizen. I don't believe in fees to use PUBLIC land. Then again, outside of the original contraints of Washington, DC and US Military Posts I don't believe the US Government should own any land.

He only has a right to those lands IF HE PAYS THE GRAZING FEES. If he or you don't believe in charging fees to use public lands, you can go suck eggs. That is the law. You don't get to break the law just because you don't believe in it.

Perhaps he should have been an illegal immigrant. It's rather interesting when we choose to make "obeying the law" an important issue.

If he was an illegal immigrant, he would not have access to that land for grazing purposes.

The illegal immigrant has access to free education and a drivers license.

Whether or not that is true, it is irrelevant to the fact that grazing rights do not extend to illegal immigrants.

 

[orogenicman]

I never said that Wilson was hunting animals. I simply made the point that someone can run quite a distance when shot. The fact that you turned what I said into my calling Michael Brown an animal shows just how over the top you're willing to go with this whole thing!

Officer Wilson didn't serve as "judge, jury and executioner"...he simply did his job that morning. What happened was totally the fault of the man who ended up dead on the ground. It wasn't Wilson who woke up with an attitude that day. It wasn't Wilson who decided to rob a store and push around the clerk who tried to stop him. It wasn't Wilson who decided to stroll down the center line of the street holding the cigars he's just stolen. It wasn't Wilson who refused to get out of the street. It wasn't Wilson who reached inside that SUV window and repeatedly struck a police officer. It wasn't Wilson who refused to surrender ever after being shot.

Darren Wilson had been on the job for six years and that was the first time he'd ever shot his gun. To call him a "thug with a badge" is such hyperbole that it's absurd even for you. Police don't "drive away" when they confront felons. They confront them. That's their JOB! That's what that officer did that day...HIS JOB! Nothing more...nothing less.

Michael Brown was executed. That is not the sentence for petty larceny and disobeying a police officer.

Officer Wilson's attitude created the scenario that ended with this tragedy. He rejected the use of all non lethal weapons at his disposal, because they were either too cumbersome or he might get a little pepper in his own eyes. So when a confrontation manifested, he had only ONE weapon at his disposal...a LETHAL one. There is nothing written in law that an officer can't retreat to a safe distance and wait for backup to arrive. He could have driven a few hundred feet to buy time for backup to arrive and assist in the apprehension of a UNARMED young man.

It is amazing just how incurious and unquestioning you folks are when it comes to the GOVERNMENT agencies you folks support. And it is ironic that all those agencies dole out death to citizens.

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Micheal Brown didn't "disobey" a police officer...Michael Brown committed assault and battery on a police officer! Michael Brown tried to wrestle a police officer's gun away from him after striking him! What part of that concept don't you grasp? Do you think somehow that there should have been a "trial" conducted in the midst of that fight to determine what Officer Wilson's response was allowed to be? How does that work in your naive little world, Bfgrn? I'd really like to know...

Brown confronted an agent of GOVERNMENT. He was executed and you folks cheer for GOVERNMENT...

Got it!

No doubt, if Brown had gotten the gun away from Wilson and shot and killed him, you would have cheered him on.

No doubt huh? Based on what? I believe this could have and should have been handled without anyone being executed. Officer Wilson or Micheal Brown. Officer Wilson could have driven a few hundred yards and waited for backup.

Coulda. shoulda, woulda. Wilson was doing his job. Brown committed robbery and assaulted a police officer, and is dead as a result of his own actions. Next.

 

[Mustang]

I've heard conservatives say that Black citizens' complaints that there aren't enough Black cops and/or the fact that Ferguson is overwhelmingly Black while the police force is predominantly White is a racist sentiment?

Really?

I suppose we could put that sentiment to the test if we could find a predominately conservatives White neighborhood in this country which had a police dept that was predominately Black (from the police chief on down) and was patrolled by police cruisers manned predominately by Black police officers. Considering how disrespectfully White conservatives talk about President Obama (not to mention the First Lady), anyone here think that White conservatives would put up with being ordered around by Black police officers?

Anyone?

 

[Bfgrn]

Michael Brown was executed. That is not the sentence for petty larceny and disobeying a police officer.

Officer Wilson's attitude created the scenario that ended with this tragedy. He rejected the use of all non lethal weapons at his disposal, because they were either too cumbersome or he might get a little pepper in his own eyes. So when a confrontation manifested, he had only ONE weapon at his disposal...a LETHAL one. There is nothing written in law that an officer can't retreat to a safe distance and wait for backup to arrive. He could have driven a few hundred feet to buy time for backup to arrive and assist in the apprehension of a UNARMED young man.

It is amazing just how incurious and unquestioning you folks are when it comes to the GOVERNMENT agencies you folks support. And it is ironic that all those agencies dole out death to citizens.

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Micheal Brown didn't "disobey" a police officer...Michael Brown committed assault and battery on a police officer! Michael Brown tried to wrestle a police officer's gun away from him after striking him! What part of that concept don't you grasp? Do you think somehow that there should have been a "trial" conducted in the midst of that fight to determine what Officer Wilson's response was allowed to be? How does that work in your naive little world, Bfgrn? I'd really like to know...

Brown confronted an agent of GOVERNMENT. He was executed and you folks cheer for GOVERNMENT...

Got it!

No doubt, if Brown had gotten the gun away from Wilson and shot and killed him, you would have cheered him on.

No doubt huh? Based on what? I believe this could have and should have been handled without anyone being executed. Officer Wilson or Micheal Brown. Officer Wilson could have driven a few hundred yards and waited for backup.

Coulda. shoulda, woulda. Wilson was doing his job. Brown committed robbery and assaulted a police officer, and is dead as a result of his own actions. Next.

Were you there? Did you see what happened??

Oh I KNOW...the GOVERNMENT said he did...

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[orogenicman]

Micheal Brown didn't "disobey" a police officer...Michael Brown committed assault and battery on a police officer! Michael Brown tried to wrestle a police officer's gun away from him after striking him! What part of that concept don't you grasp? Do you think somehow that there should have been a "trial" conducted in the midst of that fight to determine what Officer Wilson's response was allowed to be? How does that work in your naive little world, Bfgrn? I'd really like to know...

Brown confronted an agent of GOVERNMENT. He was executed and you folks cheer for GOVERNMENT...

Got it!

No doubt, if Brown had gotten the gun away from Wilson and shot and killed him, you would have cheered him on.

No doubt huh? Based on what? I believe this could have and should have been handled without anyone being executed. Officer Wilson or Micheal Brown. Officer Wilson could have driven a few hundred yards and waited for backup.

Coulda. shoulda, woulda. Wilson was doing his job. Brown committed robbery and assaulted a police officer, and is dead as a result of his own actions. Next.

Were you there? Did you see what happened??

Oh I KNOW...the GOVERNMENT said he did...

Were you there? Did you see what happened? Oh I know. The government is in collusion with Satan so they are never right. See how that logic works?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I've heard conservatives say that Black citizens' complaints that there aren't enough Black cops and/or the fact that Ferguson is overwhelmingly Black while the police force is predominantly White is a racist sentiment?

Really?

I suppose we could put that sentiment to the test if we could find a predominately conservatives White neighborhood in this country which had a police dept that was predominately Black (from the police chief on down) and was patrolled by police cruisers manned predominately by Black police officers. Considering how disrespectfully White conservatives talk about President Obama (not to mention the First Lady), anyone here think that White conservatives would put up with being ordered around by Black police officers?

Anyone?

Your argument actually works against you because white people aren't as concerned about the racial makeup of the police department as blacks. It's blacks who whine about a largely white police force, you never hear whites doing that. And in the case of Ferguson, many efforts have been made to get more black applicants to the police department, but they're not stepping up. So fuck them. Seriously.

 

[Bfgrn]

Sounds like some kangaroo court in some banana republic...good enough for our GOVERNMENT loving friends on the right...who cares if proper procedure was followed...

Prosecutor Manipulates Grand Jury Process to Shield Officer

You know the fix is in when a suspect who shot an unarmed man voluntarily provides four hours of un-cross examined testimony to a grand jury without taking the Fifth.

On August 9, Ferguson, Missouri Police Officer Darren Wilson gunned down 18-year-old African American Michael Brown. Since that fateful day, people across the country have protested against racial profiling, excessive police force, and the failure of the criminal justice system to provide accountability.

The nail in the coffin of "equal justice under law" came on November 24, when the St. Louis County grand jury refused to indict Wilson for any criminal charges in the shooting death of Brown. In a virtually unprecedented move, St. Louis Prosecutor Robert McCulloch in effect deputized the grand jurors to sit as triers of fact as in a jury trial.

In a normal grand jury proceeding, the prosecutor presents evidence for a few days and then asks the grand jurors to return an indictment, which they nearly always do. Of 162,000 federal cases in 2010, grand juries failed to indict in only 11 of them, according the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

The standard of proof for a grand jury to indict is only probable cause to believe the suspect committed a crime. It is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is required for conviction at trial. Yet McCulloch's team presented testimony and documents to the panel for three months, evidence not subjected to adversarial testing by cross-examination.

The prosecutor did not ask these grand jurors for an indictment. They were left to sift through the evidence on their own, with no prosecutorial guidance about what to charge. Indeed, the transcripts indicated that prosecutors asked Wilson gentle, leading questions designed to bolster his self-defense claim. For example, a prosecutor told Wilson, "You felt like your life was in jeopardy," followed by, "And use of deadly force was justified at that point, in your opinion?" But prosecutors rigorously challenged witnesses who contradicted Wilson's testimony.