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Why do you think we should ignore bigotry by gay activists? Are gay activists who want to force everyone to celebrate the gay lifestyle intolerant haters? Are people who think the gay lifestyle is not as great as advertised haters?You don't get to justify your own sins by pointing fingers at others.
Liberal claim: Christians believe in what they believe in out of fear and follow it out of fear.Your post makes no sense other than you are not a Christian.1. I'm using liberal thought process.Your post clearly shows you do not know Jesus. Sad.These fags are just pissed that they know they are burning in hell. It's cool that you think the way that you do though. That you have no choice but to fuck dudes and suck cock.
2. I'm not a christian.
Then you post does not matter.
Liberal claim: Christians believe in what they believe in out of fear and follow it out of fear.Your post makes no sense other than you are not a Christian.1. I'm using liberal thought process.Your post clearly shows you do not know Jesus. Sad.These fags are just pissed that they know they are burning in hell. It's cool that you think the way that you do though. That you have no choice but to fuck dudes and suck cock.
2. I'm not a christian.
Then you post does not matter.
Liberal logic: Liberals are trying to "prove" Christians out of fear that they themselves will burn in hell. They can't stand alone and need others to alleviate their fears. They have much doubt and still think they will burn in hell for being the fags they are essentially.
Go take Logic 101. You can find a course online, I am sure.
I can smell the fear of the lib OP. Why else would he need to pathetically attempt to convince others that his belief is right?Liberal claim: Christians believe in what they believe in out of fear and follow it out of fear.Your post makes no sense other than you are not a Christian.1. I'm using liberal thought process.Your post clearly shows you do not know Jesus. Sad.These fags are just pissed that they know they are burning in hell. It's cool that you think the way that you do though. That you have no choice but to fuck dudes and suck cock.
2. I'm not a christian.
Then you post does not matter.
Liberal logic: Liberals are trying to "prove" Christians out of fear that they themselves will burn in hell. They can't stand alone and need others to alleviate their fears. They have much doubt and still think they will burn in hell for being the fags they are essentially.
Take their lies about gays for example. They have every right to not condone gays but they are sinning when lie about it being a "choice".
Well they are not 'lying', in the sense that they are not intentionally trying to deceive someone or convince someone of something that they know to be false. They simply don't understand what certain scripture actually says, what it is referring to, or the history of it. In other words, they are not "lying" because, to the best of their understanding, they think what they are saying is the absolute truth.
Now what I think you can often stick them on is a complete refusal to entertain even the mere possibility that they may be incorrect and total stubbornness in the face of historical and literary evidence. For example, those who dismiss historical evidence because the one presenting it happens to be an atheist or agnostic. Or perhaps those who claim the Bible has never changed and when you put two manuscripts in front of their face of the same book that are completely different they still insist that the Bible is inerrant.
I think you can also get many of them on the hypocrisy shown when they attempt to oppress certain demographics of society which stands in direct contrast to the message of love, goodwill, charity, and treating your neighbors as you would yourself preached by Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the apostles. On those things, you have a point.
HOWEVER....
You overlook that in the OP it is stating that people who attempt to save you are doing so out of a sincere desire to help you. You may not wish to receive their help, but in their minds they are trying to do something nice for you. Those who react with hostility, such as Guno, overlook, or do not care, that they are trying to give you something they consider beautiful and wonderful. Slamming the shit out of them, regardless of how misguided you feel they are, shows a true lack of character. Furthermore, there is nothing more hypocritical than people like Guno slamming Christian fundamentalists for their intolerance of other perspectives.
So there is plenty of hypocrisy, intolerance, and 'forcing one's beliefs upon others' to go around. They are not Christian traits, nor are they even religious traits. They are human traits which can be seen in politics, race relations, economics, you name it, and atheists can be every bit as guilty of such things as people of faith.
Quite a few atheists only submit to atheism out of fear.Liberal claim: Christians believe in what they believe in out of fear and follow it out of fear.
As do quite a few citizens in our small town American towns and culture.Quite a few atheists only submit to atheism out of fear.Liberal claim: Christians believe in what they believe in out of fear and follow it out of fear.
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I could tell from the clown face that it was a stupid OP. Then I read it and knew it was a stupid OP. The percentage of Christians willing to do these kinds of acts can not exceed the moral less atheists that do horrendous acts of violence.Take their lies about gays for example. They have every right to not condone gays but they are sinning when lie about it being a "choice".
Well they are not 'lying', in the sense that they are not intentionally trying to deceive someone or convince someone of something that they know to be false. They simply don't understand what certain scripture actually says, what it is referring to, or the history of it. In other words, they are not "lying" because, to the best of their understanding, they think what they are saying is the absolute truth.
Now what I think you can often stick them on is a complete refusal to entertain even the mere possibility that they may be incorrect and total stubbornness in the face of historical and literary evidence. For example, those who dismiss historical evidence because the one presenting it happens to be an atheist or agnostic. Or perhaps those who claim the Bible has never changed and when you put two manuscripts in front of their face of the same book that are completely different they still insist that the Bible is inerrant.
I think you can also get many of them on the hypocrisy shown when they attempt to oppress certain demographics of society which stands in direct contrast to the message of love, goodwill, charity, and treating your neighbors as you would yourself preached by Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the apostles. On those things, you have a point.
HOWEVER....
You overlook that in the OP it is stating that people who attempt to save you are doing so out of a sincere desire to help you. You may not wish to receive their help, but in their minds they are trying to do something nice for you. Those who react with hostility, such as Guno, overlook, or do not care, that they are trying to give you something they consider beautiful and wonderful. Slamming the shit out of them, regardless of how misguided you feel they are, shows a true lack of character. Furthermore, there is nothing more hypocritical than people like Guno slamming Christian fundamentalists for their intolerance of other perspectives.
So there is plenty of hypocrisy, intolerance, and 'forcing one's beliefs upon others' to go around. They are not Christian traits, nor are they even religious traits. They are human traits which can be seen in politics, race relations, economics, you name it, and atheists can be every bit as guilty of such things as people of faith.
Unless I misread the OP it was all about the fear that drives and controls fundamentalists. When their motivation is fear based then whatever they are offering is not based on a "sincere desire to help you". Instead it is out of fear that you will end up in whatever they imagine hell might be like. So no, it is not "beautiful and wonderful" to want others to share your own fears.
And no, I am not "slamming the shit out of them" and neither is the OP. Instead it is a perfectly rational and logical examination of the fear based motivations driving those who are fundamentalists.
Personally I am tolerant of all theists up to the point where they violate the Constitutional rights of others to be free from their religion. Unfortunately it is usually the fundamentalists who cross that line because they emote rather than think rationally.
Earlier when I posted about rigid intolerance being the motivation for killing in the name of the deity that applies just as much to the Christian fundamentalists in this nation murdering doctors and bombing abortion clinics as it does to suicide terrorists strapping bombs to themselves.
That is unacceptable and does need to be called out for what it is IMO. Those are criminal acts and no amount of fundamentalist beliefs can justify them.
yeah jerriSee if the far left drones can answer this:
So is Jeremiah Wright a "Christian Fundamentalist"?far left drones
stop spamming threads you retard
rofl. True my friendFundamentalists, whether religious evangelicals or militant atheists, can be identified with 'stain': christstain or atheistain.
Jake , no matter how hard you try to make christ insanity sound reasonable it won't work
Cannery Row?Reminds me of a character in a Steinbeck novel who goes to church, although he is an agnostic, and to Monterrery every months to get his ashes hauled.
I have tried no such thing. And no matter how hard you try to discount Christianity or argue for atheism, you fail.rofl. True my friendFundamentalists, whether religious evangelicals or militant atheists, can be identified with 'stain': christstain or atheistain.
Jake , no matter how hard you try to make christ insanity sound reasonable it won't work
You provided no facts for your pointless and cliched' "moral less atheists" because it's indefensible. Atheism is not a moral code and with regard to the history of religions and the atrocities they have committed in furtherance of their gawds, religions are hardly an example of morality.I could tell from the clown face that it was a stupid OP. Then I read it and knew it was a stupid OP. The percentage of Christians willing to do these kinds of acts can not exceed the moral less atheists that do horrendous acts of violence.Take their lies about gays for example. They have every right to not condone gays but they are sinning when lie about it being a "choice".
Well they are not 'lying', in the sense that they are not intentionally trying to deceive someone or convince someone of something that they know to be false. They simply don't understand what certain scripture actually says, what it is referring to, or the history of it. In other words, they are not "lying" because, to the best of their understanding, they think what they are saying is the absolute truth.
Now what I think you can often stick them on is a complete refusal to entertain even the mere possibility that they may be incorrect and total stubbornness in the face of historical and literary evidence. For example, those who dismiss historical evidence because the one presenting it happens to be an atheist or agnostic. Or perhaps those who claim the Bible has never changed and when you put two manuscripts in front of their face of the same book that are completely different they still insist that the Bible is inerrant.
I think you can also get many of them on the hypocrisy shown when they attempt to oppress certain demographics of society which stands in direct contrast to the message of love, goodwill, charity, and treating your neighbors as you would yourself preached by Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the apostles. On those things, you have a point.
HOWEVER....
You overlook that in the OP it is stating that people who attempt to save you are doing so out of a sincere desire to help you. You may not wish to receive their help, but in their minds they are trying to do something nice for you. Those who react with hostility, such as Guno, overlook, or do not care, that they are trying to give you something they consider beautiful and wonderful. Slamming the shit out of them, regardless of how misguided you feel they are, shows a true lack of character. Furthermore, there is nothing more hypocritical than people like Guno slamming Christian fundamentalists for their intolerance of other perspectives.
So there is plenty of hypocrisy, intolerance, and 'forcing one's beliefs upon others' to go around. They are not Christian traits, nor are they even religious traits. They are human traits which can be seen in politics, race relations, economics, you name it, and atheists can be every bit as guilty of such things as people of faith.
Unless I misread the OP it was all about the fear that drives and controls fundamentalists. When their motivation is fear based then whatever they are offering is not based on a "sincere desire to help you". Instead it is out of fear that you will end up in whatever they imagine hell might be like. So no, it is not "beautiful and wonderful" to want others to share your own fears.
And no, I am not "slamming the shit out of them" and neither is the OP. Instead it is a perfectly rational and logical examination of the fear based motivations driving those who are fundamentalists.
Personally I am tolerant of all theists up to the point where they violate the Constitutional rights of others to be free from their religion. Unfortunately it is usually the fundamentalists who cross that line because they emote rather than think rationally.
Earlier when I posted about rigid intolerance being the motivation for killing in the name of the deity that applies just as much to the Christian fundamentalists in this nation murdering doctors and bombing abortion clinics as it does to suicide terrorists strapping bombs to themselves.
That is unacceptable and does need to be called out for what it is IMO. Those are criminal acts and no amount of fundamentalist beliefs can justify them.
Here. http://religiouscrossroads.tribe.net/thread/2024efe8-d98d-45a4-b50d-95976e406179You provided no facts for your pointless and cliched' "moral less atheists" because it's indefensible. Atheism is not a moral code and with regard to the history of religions and the atrocities they have committed in furtherance of their gawds, religions are hardly an example of morality.I could tell from the clown face that it was a stupid OP. Then I read it and knew it was a stupid OP. The percentage of Christians willing to do these kinds of acts can not exceed the moral less atheists that do horrendous acts of violence.Take their lies about gays for example. They have every right to not condone gays but they are sinning when lie about it being a "choice".
Well they are not 'lying', in the sense that they are not intentionally trying to deceive someone or convince someone of something that they know to be false. They simply don't understand what certain scripture actually says, what it is referring to, or the history of it. In other words, they are not "lying" because, to the best of their understanding, they think what they are saying is the absolute truth.
Now what I think you can often stick them on is a complete refusal to entertain even the mere possibility that they may be incorrect and total stubbornness in the face of historical and literary evidence. For example, those who dismiss historical evidence because the one presenting it happens to be an atheist or agnostic. Or perhaps those who claim the Bible has never changed and when you put two manuscripts in front of their face of the same book that are completely different they still insist that the Bible is inerrant.
I think you can also get many of them on the hypocrisy shown when they attempt to oppress certain demographics of society which stands in direct contrast to the message of love, goodwill, charity, and treating your neighbors as you would yourself preached by Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the apostles. On those things, you have a point.
HOWEVER....
You overlook that in the OP it is stating that people who attempt to save you are doing so out of a sincere desire to help you. You may not wish to receive their help, but in their minds they are trying to do something nice for you. Those who react with hostility, such as Guno, overlook, or do not care, that they are trying to give you something they consider beautiful and wonderful. Slamming the shit out of them, regardless of how misguided you feel they are, shows a true lack of character. Furthermore, there is nothing more hypocritical than people like Guno slamming Christian fundamentalists for their intolerance of other perspectives.
So there is plenty of hypocrisy, intolerance, and 'forcing one's beliefs upon others' to go around. They are not Christian traits, nor are they even religious traits. They are human traits which can be seen in politics, race relations, economics, you name it, and atheists can be every bit as guilty of such things as people of faith.
Unless I misread the OP it was all about the fear that drives and controls fundamentalists. When their motivation is fear based then whatever they are offering is not based on a "sincere desire to help you". Instead it is out of fear that you will end up in whatever they imagine hell might be like. So no, it is not "beautiful and wonderful" to want others to share your own fears.
And no, I am not "slamming the shit out of them" and neither is the OP. Instead it is a perfectly rational and logical examination of the fear based motivations driving those who are fundamentalists.
Personally I am tolerant of all theists up to the point where they violate the Constitutional rights of others to be free from their religion. Unfortunately it is usually the fundamentalists who cross that line because they emote rather than think rationally.
Earlier when I posted about rigid intolerance being the motivation for killing in the name of the deity that applies just as much to the Christian fundamentalists in this nation murdering doctors and bombing abortion clinics as it does to suicide terrorists strapping bombs to themselves.
That is unacceptable and does need to be called out for what it is IMO. Those are criminal acts and no amount of fundamentalist beliefs can justify them.
Here. Atheist Greatest Mass Murderers - Crossroads of Religion - tribe.netYou provided no facts for your pointless and cliched' "moral less atheists" because it's indefensible. Atheism is not a moral code and with regard to the history of religions and the atrocities they have committed in furtherance of their gawds, religions are hardly an example of morality.I could tell from the clown face that it was a stupid OP. Then I read it and knew it was a stupid OP. The percentage of Christians willing to do these kinds of acts can not exceed the moral less atheists that do horrendous acts of violence.Take their lies about gays for example. They have every right to not condone gays but they are sinning when lie about it being a "choice".
Well they are not 'lying', in the sense that they are not intentionally trying to deceive someone or convince someone of something that they know to be false. They simply don't understand what certain scripture actually says, what it is referring to, or the history of it. In other words, they are not "lying" because, to the best of their understanding, they think what they are saying is the absolute truth.
Now what I think you can often stick them on is a complete refusal to entertain even the mere possibility that they may be incorrect and total stubbornness in the face of historical and literary evidence. For example, those who dismiss historical evidence because the one presenting it happens to be an atheist or agnostic. Or perhaps those who claim the Bible has never changed and when you put two manuscripts in front of their face of the same book that are completely different they still insist that the Bible is inerrant.
I think you can also get many of them on the hypocrisy shown when they attempt to oppress certain demographics of society which stands in direct contrast to the message of love, goodwill, charity, and treating your neighbors as you would yourself preached by Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the apostles. On those things, you have a point.
HOWEVER....
You overlook that in the OP it is stating that people who attempt to save you are doing so out of a sincere desire to help you. You may not wish to receive their help, but in their minds they are trying to do something nice for you. Those who react with hostility, such as Guno, overlook, or do not care, that they are trying to give you something they consider beautiful and wonderful. Slamming the shit out of them, regardless of how misguided you feel they are, shows a true lack of character. Furthermore, there is nothing more hypocritical than people like Guno slamming Christian fundamentalists for their intolerance of other perspectives.
So there is plenty of hypocrisy, intolerance, and 'forcing one's beliefs upon others' to go around. They are not Christian traits, nor are they even religious traits. They are human traits which can be seen in politics, race relations, economics, you name it, and atheists can be every bit as guilty of such things as people of faith.
Unless I misread the OP it was all about the fear that drives and controls fundamentalists. When their motivation is fear based then whatever they are offering is not based on a "sincere desire to help you". Instead it is out of fear that you will end up in whatever they imagine hell might be like. So no, it is not "beautiful and wonderful" to want others to share your own fears.
And no, I am not "slamming the shit out of them" and neither is the OP. Instead it is a perfectly rational and logical examination of the fear based motivations driving those who are fundamentalists.
Personally I am tolerant of all theists up to the point where they violate the Constitutional rights of others to be free from their religion. Unfortunately it is usually the fundamentalists who cross that line because they emote rather than think rationally.
Earlier when I posted about rigid intolerance being the motivation for killing in the name of the deity that applies just as much to the Christian fundamentalists in this nation murdering doctors and bombing abortion clinics as it does to suicide terrorists strapping bombs to themselves.
That is unacceptable and does need to be called out for what it is IMO. Those are criminal acts and no amount of fundamentalist beliefs can justify them.
Good for you . You know how to cut and paste. Unfortunately, you're just too lazy to actually look past you're own ignorance and understand the facts.Here. Atheist Greatest Mass Murderers - Crossroads of Religion - tribe.netYou provided no facts for your pointless and cliched' "moral less atheists" because it's indefensible. Atheism is not a moral code and with regard to the history of religions and the atrocities they have committed in furtherance of their gawds, religions are hardly an example of morality.I could tell from the clown face that it was a stupid OP. Then I read it and knew it was a stupid OP. The percentage of Christians willing to do these kinds of acts can not exceed the moral less atheists that do horrendous acts of violence.Take their lies about gays for example. They have every right to not condone gays but they are sinning when lie about it being a "choice".
Well they are not 'lying', in the sense that they are not intentionally trying to deceive someone or convince someone of something that they know to be false. They simply don't understand what certain scripture actually says, what it is referring to, or the history of it. In other words, they are not "lying" because, to the best of their understanding, they think what they are saying is the absolute truth.
Now what I think you can often stick them on is a complete refusal to entertain even the mere possibility that they may be incorrect and total stubbornness in the face of historical and literary evidence. For example, those who dismiss historical evidence because the one presenting it happens to be an atheist or agnostic. Or perhaps those who claim the Bible has never changed and when you put two manuscripts in front of their face of the same book that are completely different they still insist that the Bible is inerrant.
I think you can also get many of them on the hypocrisy shown when they attempt to oppress certain demographics of society which stands in direct contrast to the message of love, goodwill, charity, and treating your neighbors as you would yourself preached by Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the apostles. On those things, you have a point.
HOWEVER....
You overlook that in the OP it is stating that people who attempt to save you are doing so out of a sincere desire to help you. You may not wish to receive their help, but in their minds they are trying to do something nice for you. Those who react with hostility, such as Guno, overlook, or do not care, that they are trying to give you something they consider beautiful and wonderful. Slamming the shit out of them, regardless of how misguided you feel they are, shows a true lack of character. Furthermore, there is nothing more hypocritical than people like Guno slamming Christian fundamentalists for their intolerance of other perspectives.
So there is plenty of hypocrisy, intolerance, and 'forcing one's beliefs upon others' to go around. They are not Christian traits, nor are they even religious traits. They are human traits which can be seen in politics, race relations, economics, you name it, and atheists can be every bit as guilty of such things as people of faith.
Unless I misread the OP it was all about the fear that drives and controls fundamentalists. When their motivation is fear based then whatever they are offering is not based on a "sincere desire to help you". Instead it is out of fear that you will end up in whatever they imagine hell might be like. So no, it is not "beautiful and wonderful" to want others to share your own fears.
And no, I am not "slamming the shit out of them" and neither is the OP. Instead it is a perfectly rational and logical examination of the fear based motivations driving those who are fundamentalists.
Personally I am tolerant of all theists up to the point where they violate the Constitutional rights of others to be free from their religion. Unfortunately it is usually the fundamentalists who cross that line because they emote rather than think rationally.
Earlier when I posted about rigid intolerance being the motivation for killing in the name of the deity that applies just as much to the Christian fundamentalists in this nation murdering doctors and bombing abortion clinics as it does to suicide terrorists strapping bombs to themselves.
That is unacceptable and does need to be called out for what it is IMO. Those are criminal acts and no amount of fundamentalist beliefs can justify them.
your... not you're... It's not my ignorance. It's the fact that someone who does not believe in a deity is much more likely to be a mass murderer.Here. Atheist Greatest Mass Murderers - Crossroads of Religion - tribe.netYou provided no facts for your pointless and cliched' "moral less atheists" because it's indefensible. Atheism is not a moral code and with regard to the history of religions and the atrocities they have committed in furtherance of their gawds, religions are hardly an example of morality.I could tell from the clown face that it was a stupid OP. Then I read it and knew it was a stupid OP. The percentage of Christians willing to do these kinds of acts can not exceed the moral less atheists that do horrendous acts of violence.Well they are not 'lying', in the sense that they are not intentionally trying to deceive someone or convince someone of something that they know to be false. They simply don't understand what certain scripture actually says, what it is referring to, or the history of it. In other words, they are not "lying" because, to the best of their understanding, they think what they are saying is the absolute truth.
Now what I think you can often stick them on is a complete refusal to entertain even the mere possibility that they may be incorrect and total stubbornness in the face of historical and literary evidence. For example, those who dismiss historical evidence because the one presenting it happens to be an atheist or agnostic. Or perhaps those who claim the Bible has never changed and when you put two manuscripts in front of their face of the same book that are completely different they still insist that the Bible is inerrant.
I think you can also get many of them on the hypocrisy shown when they attempt to oppress certain demographics of society which stands in direct contrast to the message of love, goodwill, charity, and treating your neighbors as you would yourself preached by Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the apostles. On those things, you have a point.
HOWEVER....
You overlook that in the OP it is stating that people who attempt to save you are doing so out of a sincere desire to help you. You may not wish to receive their help, but in their minds they are trying to do something nice for you. Those who react with hostility, such as Guno, overlook, or do not care, that they are trying to give you something they consider beautiful and wonderful. Slamming the shit out of them, regardless of how misguided you feel they are, shows a true lack of character. Furthermore, there is nothing more hypocritical than people like Guno slamming Christian fundamentalists for their intolerance of other perspectives.
So there is plenty of hypocrisy, intolerance, and 'forcing one's beliefs upon others' to go around. They are not Christian traits, nor are they even religious traits. They are human traits which can be seen in politics, race relations, economics, you name it, and atheists can be every bit as guilty of such things as people of faith.
Unless I misread the OP it was all about the fear that drives and controls fundamentalists. When their motivation is fear based then whatever they are offering is not based on a "sincere desire to help you". Instead it is out of fear that you will end up in whatever they imagine hell might be like. So no, it is not "beautiful and wonderful" to want others to share your own fears.
And no, I am not "slamming the shit out of them" and neither is the OP. Instead it is a perfectly rational and logical examination of the fear based motivations driving those who are fundamentalists.
Personally I am tolerant of all theists up to the point where they violate the Constitutional rights of others to be free from their religion. Unfortunately it is usually the fundamentalists who cross that line because they emote rather than think rationally.
Earlier when I posted about rigid intolerance being the motivation for killing in the name of the deity that applies just as much to the Christian fundamentalists in this nation murdering doctors and bombing abortion clinics as it does to suicide terrorists strapping bombs to themselves.
That is unacceptable and does need to be called out for what it is IMO. Those are criminal acts and no amount of fundamentalist beliefs can justify them.Good for you . You know how to cut and paste. Unfortunately, you're just too lazy to actually look past you're own ignorance and understand the facts.Here. Atheist Greatest Mass Murderers - Crossroads of Religion - tribe.netYou provided no facts for your pointless and cliched' "moral less atheists" because it's indefensible. Atheism is not a moral code and with regard to the history of religions and the atrocities they have committed in furtherance of their gawds, religions are hardly an example of morality.I could tell from the clown face that it was a stupid OP. Then I read it and knew it was a stupid OP. The percentage of Christians willing to do these kinds of acts can not exceed the moral less atheists that do horrendous acts of violence.Well they are not 'lying', in the sense that they are not intentionally trying to deceive someone or convince someone of something that they know to be false. They simply don't understand what certain scripture actually says, what it is referring to, or the history of it. In other words, they are not "lying" because, to the best of their understanding, they think what they are saying is the absolute truth.
Now what I think you can often stick them on is a complete refusal to entertain even the mere possibility that they may be incorrect and total stubbornness in the face of historical and literary evidence. For example, those who dismiss historical evidence because the one presenting it happens to be an atheist or agnostic. Or perhaps those who claim the Bible has never changed and when you put two manuscripts in front of their face of the same book that are completely different they still insist that the Bible is inerrant.
I think you can also get many of them on the hypocrisy shown when they attempt to oppress certain demographics of society which stands in direct contrast to the message of love, goodwill, charity, and treating your neighbors as you would yourself preached by Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the apostles. On those things, you have a point.
HOWEVER....
You overlook that in the OP it is stating that people who attempt to save you are doing so out of a sincere desire to help you. You may not wish to receive their help, but in their minds they are trying to do something nice for you. Those who react with hostility, such as Guno, overlook, or do not care, that they are trying to give you something they consider beautiful and wonderful. Slamming the shit out of them, regardless of how misguided you feel they are, shows a true lack of character. Furthermore, there is nothing more hypocritical than people like Guno slamming Christian fundamentalists for their intolerance of other perspectives.
So there is plenty of hypocrisy, intolerance, and 'forcing one's beliefs upon others' to go around. They are not Christian traits, nor are they even religious traits. They are human traits which can be seen in politics, race relations, economics, you name it, and atheists can be every bit as guilty of such things as people of faith.
Unless I misread the OP it was all about the fear that drives and controls fundamentalists. When their motivation is fear based then whatever they are offering is not based on a "sincere desire to help you". Instead it is out of fear that you will end up in whatever they imagine hell might be like. So no, it is not "beautiful and wonderful" to want others to share your own fears.
And no, I am not "slamming the shit out of them" and neither is the OP. Instead it is a perfectly rational and logical examination of the fear based motivations driving those who are fundamentalists.
Personally I am tolerant of all theists up to the point where they violate the Constitutional rights of others to be free from their religion. Unfortunately it is usually the fundamentalists who cross that line because they emote rather than think rationally.
Earlier when I posted about rigid intolerance being the motivation for killing in the name of the deity that applies just as much to the Christian fundamentalists in this nation murdering doctors and bombing abortion clinics as it does to suicide terrorists strapping bombs to themselves.
That is unacceptable and does need to be called out for what it is IMO. Those are criminal acts and no amount of fundamentalist beliefs can justify them.
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The motivations behind christian fundamentalism and the literal fear that drives them
Basically, the Evangelical Christian has two powerful things controlling his/her mind and emotions – the fear of eternal punishment in hell and the reward of eternal paradise in heaven. Those are essentially the two most powerful things that can control someone’s mind, period. They are the ultimate brainwashing tools ever designed. No question about it. Now keep in mind that heaven and hell are not some abstract concept or theory to them. No, they are absolute LITERAL FACTUAL truths! No less true than the fact that falling off a cliff is harmful or the fact that your body needs food and water to live. Therefore, they take them VERY seriously indeed. It’s no joke to them at all, especially when the eternal destiny of the soul is at stake. And that’s why they are so adamant that you become saved too, because in their minds, it is like watching you driving toward the edge of a cliff, and since they care about you, they want to warn you of the reality of the situation. That’s what it boils down to. It’s not about disrespect for your rights, freedom, or choices. It’s really about their 1) genuine concern for the eternal judgment of your soul, and their 2) sense of duty to God, after being given eternal life and being saved, to do his will to preach God’s message of Salvation to you, which is the least they could do for being given immortality.
Now think of the implications of this. Remember that this is all literal factual truth to them. Here’s what that means to someone who genuinely believes these things. It means that these are ETERNAL consequences in their minds. What that means technically is that an eternal heaven means a bliss and paradise for them that is never-ending without end, where billions of years or trillions of years have no measurement at all. After all, that’s what infinity means. On the other hand, an eternal hell also means a state of suffering and pain forever and ever. This means that even if one was suffering, tormented, and in extreme pain in hell for a billion years or a trillion years, it would still not stop because eternity means that time does not exist. It would go on and on and on. It NEVER ends, EVER! Think of that for a moment, not as some abstract theory that’s “out there” but as a literal fact that could ACTUALLY happen to you! If you seriously see that as a realistic possibility, you can understand why it is a VERY VERY VERY SCARY concept indeed!
Understanding the Mentality and World View of the ChristianFundamentalist
That's as nonsensical as your usual prattle.your... not you're... It's not my ignorance. It's the fact that someone who does not believe in a deity is much more likely to be a mass murderer.Here. Atheist Greatest Mass Murderers - Crossroads of Religion - tribe.netYou provided no facts for your pointless and cliched' "moral less atheists" because it's indefensible. Atheism is not a moral code and with regard to the history of religions and the atrocities they have committed in furtherance of their gawds, religions are hardly an example of morality.I could tell from the clown face that it was a stupid OP. Then I read it and knew it was a stupid OP. The percentage of Christians willing to do these kinds of acts can not exceed the moral less atheists that do horrendous acts of violence.Unless I misread the OP it was all about the fear that drives and controls fundamentalists. When their motivation is fear based then whatever they are offering is not based on a "sincere desire to help you". Instead it is out of fear that you will end up in whatever they imagine hell might be like. So no, it is not "beautiful and wonderful" to want others to share your own fears.
And no, I am not "slamming the shit out of them" and neither is the OP. Instead it is a perfectly rational and logical examination of the fear based motivations driving those who are fundamentalists.
Personally I am tolerant of all theists up to the point where they violate the Constitutional rights of others to be free from their religion. Unfortunately it is usually the fundamentalists who cross that line because they emote rather than think rationally.
Earlier when I posted about rigid intolerance being the motivation for killing in the name of the deity that applies just as much to the Christian fundamentalists in this nation murdering doctors and bombing abortion clinics as it does to suicide terrorists strapping bombs to themselves.
That is unacceptable and does need to be called out for what it is IMO. Those are criminal acts and no amount of fundamentalist beliefs can justify them.Good for you . You know how to cut and paste. Unfortunately, you're just too lazy to actually look past you're own ignorance and understand the facts.Here. Atheist Greatest Mass Murderers - Crossroads of Religion - tribe.netYou provided no facts for your pointless and cliched' "moral less atheists" because it's indefensible. Atheism is not a moral code and with regard to the history of religions and the atrocities they have committed in furtherance of their gawds, religions are hardly an example of morality.I could tell from the clown face that it was a stupid OP. Then I read it and knew it was a stupid OP. The percentage of Christians willing to do these kinds of acts can not exceed the moral less atheists that do horrendous acts of violence.Unless I misread the OP it was all about the fear that drives and controls fundamentalists. When their motivation is fear based then whatever they are offering is not based on a "sincere desire to help you". Instead it is out of fear that you will end up in whatever they imagine hell might be like. So no, it is not "beautiful and wonderful" to want others to share your own fears.
And no, I am not "slamming the shit out of them" and neither is the OP. Instead it is a perfectly rational and logical examination of the fear based motivations driving those who are fundamentalists.
Personally I am tolerant of all theists up to the point where they violate the Constitutional rights of others to be free from their religion. Unfortunately it is usually the fundamentalists who cross that line because they emote rather than think rationally.
Earlier when I posted about rigid intolerance being the motivation for killing in the name of the deity that applies just as much to the Christian fundamentalists in this nation murdering doctors and bombing abortion clinics as it does to suicide terrorists strapping bombs to themselves.
That is unacceptable and does need to be called out for what it is IMO. Those are criminal acts and no amount of fundamentalist beliefs can justify them.
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