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Understanding The Revolution….

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….and why it was doomed to failure. And…..why the same applies to Liberalism.
Succinctly put:
It is based on a lack of understanding of human nature.



1.In many ways, the modern Liberal movement is a shadow, a microcosm, of the origins of socialism, the sort of ‘can’t we all just get along’ movements of the communes of the 60s, and, the earlier Bolshevik Revolution. The flower children, who grew up to be our Liberal elites, never learned that the communes of the 19th century all failed.
All of 'em.

Why?

Because they mis-valued human nature, and absurdly claimed that it could be changed by their sort of ‘equality.’




2. “By the late 19th century, many socialists were aware of the problem of communes.” Tom Bethell.

Instead of relying on the goodness of humans under anarchy, that everyone would work 'to their ability,' for everyone else, the problem with the communes, and with the Liberal welfare system, the new socialists plan was control from the center, central planning, the compulsory organization of society.

“The shortage of virtue that had disabled communes would be remedied by force. Everyone would be obliged to obey the plan and the state would assume omnipotence.” Ibid.

Bakers would be forced to bake any cake the state desired them to. See what I did there?




3. Note the subtle alteration: the original socialist view was that everyone would see the light, and human nature would change to that of angels,….but when that didn’t pan out, now, a handful of wise and virtuous…..like the Clintons…..would direct everyone.

The French Revolution chopped off head.
The Bolshevik Revolution had gulags and concentration camps.
The modern American Liberals ridicule, censor, close down businesses, depriving the recalcitrant of their livelihood.



Every form of the above revolutions was an attempt to 'fundamentally change' society.That applies to communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, fascism, or Progressivism.


A change from this: free markets, individualism, and limited constitutional government.
 
Socialism only works in small societies that are completely voluntary: A convent or a monastery. When it is compulsory - forced by the Sovereign - it always leads to oppression and economic failure.
 
Too many sold themselves for naught. Rod says its too far gone but I'm still holding out hope enough people will wake-up and see the dangerous situation that many have and are putting themselves into.

If they succeed in toppling the top the middle and the bottom goes down too as too many of them have no clue how to survive if it isn't convenient for them. The top got too top heavy and the middle and the bottom cannot thrive and survive under their weight.
 
Socialism only works in small societies that are completely voluntary: A convent or a monastery. When it is compulsory - forced by the Sovereign - it always leads to oppression and economic failure.


Spot on.
 
Too many sold themselves for naught. Rod says its too far gone but I'm still holding out hope enough people will wake-up and see the dangerous situation that many have and are putting themselves into.

If they succeed in toppling the top the middle and the bottom goes down too as too many of them have no clue how to survive if it isn't convenient for them. The top got too top heavy and the middle and the bottom cannot thrive and survive under their weight.


I, too, tend to toward the pessimistic.

As you can see on this board, government school indoctrination tends to be indelible for the less than astute.
 
Too many sold themselves for naught. Rod says its too far gone but I'm still holding out hope enough people will wake-up and see the dangerous situation that many have and are putting themselves into.

If they succeed in toppling the top the middle and the bottom goes down too as too many of them have no clue how to survive if it isn't convenient for them. The top got too top heavy and the middle and the bottom cannot thrive and survive under their weight.


I, too, tend to toward the pessimistic.

As you can see on this board, government school indoctrination tends to be indelible for the less than astute.
A lot of trolls on this board so I try to take that into consideration in it all.

Rod goes back and forth with an idiot on FB that was and still is a major pothead along with prescription meds now. These type people believe that they have the right and demand that they be able to make policy. They haven't got enough brain cells left to think through what will happen after they get their way.
 
….and why it was doomed to failure
That's funny, I thought it has already succeeded. Society is very different today than it was when I was a kid.

When I was a kid it was OK to beat up gays. Today gay marriage is the law of the land.

When I was a kid abortion was a crime. Today it is the law of the land.

When I was a kid racial discrimination was common and widely accepted. Today it is so politically incorrect that the GOP brag that they are the party of Lincoln.

When I was a kid we lived in fear (somewhat) of a Communist takeover of the world. Today Communism is a joke and essentially dead as a philosophy.
 
….and why it was doomed to failure
That's funny, I thought it has already succeeded. Society is very different today than it was when I was a kid.

When I was a kid it was OK to beat up gays. Today gay marriage is the law of the land.

When I was a kid abortion was a crime. Today it is the law of the land.

When I was a kid racial discrimination was common and widely accepted. Today it is so politically incorrect that the GOP brag that they are the party of Lincoln.

When I was a kid we lived in fear (somewhat) of a Communist takeover of the world. Today Communism is a joke and essentially dead as a philosophy.



The lack of understanding that you evince, on a daily if not moment to moment basis, is monumental.

Today's Democrat Party stands for the very same things that the Communist Party did.
 
….and why it was doomed to failure. And…..why the same applies to Liberalism.
Succinctly put:
It is based on a lack of understanding of human nature.



1.In many ways, the modern Liberal movement is a shadow, a microcosm, of the origins of socialism, the sort of ‘can’t we all just get along’ movements of the communes of the 60s, and, the earlier Bolshevik Revolution. The flower children, who grew up to be our Liberal elites, never learned that the communes of the 19th century all failed.
All of 'em.

Why?

Because they mis-valued human nature, and absurdly claimed that it could be changed by their sort of ‘equality.’




2. “By the late 19th century, many socialists were aware of the problem of communes.” Tom Bethell.

Instead of relying on the goodness of humans under anarchy, that everyone would work 'to their ability,' for everyone else, the problem with the communes, and with the Liberal welfare system, the new socialists plan was control from the center, central planning, the compulsory organization of society.

“The shortage of virtue that had disabled communes would be remedied by force. Everyone would be obliged to obey the plan and the state would assume omnipotence.” Ibid.

Bakers would be forced to bake any cake the state desired them to. See what I did there?




3. Note the subtle alteration: the original socialist view was that everyone would see the light, and human nature would change to that of angels,….but when that didn’t pan out, now, a handful of wise and virtuous…..like the Clintons…..would direct everyone.

The French Revolution chopped off head.
The Bolshevik Revolution had gulags and concentration camps.
The modern American Liberals ridicule, censor, close down businesses, depriving the recalcitrant of their livelihood.



Every form of the above revolutions was an attempt to 'fundamentally change' society.That applies to communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, fascism, or Progressivism.


A change from this: free markets, individualism, and limited constitutional government.
they believe that all men are created equal means equal their entire lives not creation. That individuality is important to be successful. They want everyone to be the same. they think a vagina is a penis I guess. They think money is not important. even though it has been the entire life cycle of man. Not sure their koolaid, but they should stop drinking.
 
4. Valiant efforts were made during the 1800s to find a socio-economic model to benefit the greatest number of citizens.
A number of communes were created, all based on the flawed principle of '"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" .....

.....and every one failed.

Sloth, indolence, greed and self-aggrandizement always sunk the endeavor.




But the believers wouldn't give up!!!

....clearly, there was a need to rescue socialism, Marxism, from the failures of the communes, the basic view…..the malleability of human nature was never in doubt. (Hillary Clinton pounded it in her college thesis.)


Only, now, the 'new society' was to be force on everyone, they would be compelled, under the most stringent of plans: the gulag.




5. The central societal belief was the same as the communes dictated: the abolition of private property….just from a voluntary to a compulsory system.




6. “THE BOLSHEVIST REVOLUTION of October, 1917 [1], did not overthrow the Kerensky government alone, it overthrew the whole social system that was based on private property.”
Leon Trotsky: Literature and Revolution (1. Pre-Revolutionary Art)




Exactly what the Democrat's "Occupy Wall Street" was all about.
 
The lack of understanding that you evince, on a daily if not moment to moment basis, is monumental.

Today's Democrat Party stands for the very same things that the Communist Party did.
The lack of honesty and integrity that you evince, on a daily if not moment to moment basis, is monumental.

You have never been able to show that today's Democrat Party stands for the very same things that the Communist Party did. You may be able to misquote and distort what some Democrats have said as you have demonstrated in the past but for every such quote I believe I could come up with a GOP quote that sounds a lot like something from the Nazi Party.
 
The lack of understanding that you evince, on a daily if not moment to moment basis, is monumental.

Today's Democrat Party stands for the very same things that the Communist Party did.
The lack of honesty and integrity that you evince, on a daily if not moment to moment basis, is monumental.

You have never been able to show that today's Democrat Party stands for the very same things that the Communist Party did. You may be able to misquote and distort what some Democrats have said as you have demonstrated in the past but for every such quote I believe I could come up with a GOP quote that sounds a lot like something from the Nazi Party.


Of course I have.

Your shutting your eyes real tight doesn't change the fact.


5 Things Marx Wanted to Abolish (Besides Private Property)
1. The Family

2. Individuality

3. Eternal Truths

4. Nations

5. The Past

5 Things Marx Wanted to Abolish (Besides Private Property) | Jon Miltimore


.....take a look at the aims of the Communist Party, USA, and the aims of the modern Democrat Party.


Watch, and note the consubstantial basis of both the aims of the Communist Party and the Democrat Party:

......it is ...extraordinary.....the correspondence between the aims of the communist party and the aims of the Democrats.....

1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

4. . Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce



Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals



You might take a look at this one, too.
10 planks of Communist manifesto
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.



"Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street"
Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street - Shadowproof


And this:

"Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917(Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately."
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.


They didn't call it ObamaCare....




....we are now free of that inordinate fear of communism.... Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter: UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME - Address at Commencement Exercises at the University


President Barack Obama downplayed the differences between capitalism and communism, claiming that they are just “intellectual arguments.” He urged those at a town hall eventin Buenos Aires, Argentina on Wednesday to “just choose from what works.”
Obama Downplays Difference Between Capitalism, Communism [VIDEO]
 
The lack of understanding that you evince, on a daily if not moment to moment basis, is monumental.

Today's Democrat Party stands for the very same things that the Communist Party did.
The lack of honesty and integrity that you evince, on a daily if not moment to moment basis, is monumental.

You have never been able to show that today's Democrat Party stands for the very same things that the Communist Party did. You may be able to misquote and distort what some Democrats have said as you have demonstrated in the past but for every such quote I believe I could come up with a GOP quote that sounds a lot like something from the Nazi Party.
accept that the democrats want to take guns just like the Nazi, which shoots your premise down.
 
they believe that all men are created equal means equal their entire lives not creation. That individuality is important to be successful. They want everyone to be the same. they think a vagina is a penis I guess. They think money is not important. even though it has been the entire life cycle of man. Not sure their koolaid, but they should stop drinking.
You may speak for all liberals but for me, I believe we are all created equal and every child deserves an equal chance to succeed or fail. That chance shouldn't depend on the success of their parents. That is in the best interests of the child, the parents, and the country.
 
they believe that all men are created equal means equal their entire lives not creation. That individuality is important to be successful. They want everyone to be the same. they think a vagina is a penis I guess. They think money is not important. even though it has been the entire life cycle of man. Not sure their koolaid, but they should stop drinking.
You may speak for all liberals but for me, I believe we are all created equal and every child deserves an equal chance to succeed or fail. That chance shouldn't depend on the success of their parents. That is in the best interests of the child, the parents, and the country.
what does create mean? look it up. It isn't inclusive of life after creation. and that is up to the individual. the individual chooses his/her path in life. No matter the consequences. someone grabs a gun and takes another life, how is that equal? you all don't condemn the action. you make excuses and blame the gun.
 
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….and why it was doomed to failure
That's funny, I thought it has already succeeded. Society is very different today than it was when I was a kid.

When I was a kid it was OK to beat up gays. Today gay marriage is the law of the land.

When I was a kid abortion was a crime. Today it is the law of the land.

When I was a kid racial discrimination was common and widely accepted. Today it is so politically incorrect that the GOP brag that they are the party of Lincoln.

When I was a kid we lived in fear (somewhat) of a Communist takeover of the world. Today Communism is a joke and essentially dead as a philosophy.



The lack of understanding that you evince, on a daily if not moment to moment basis, is monumental.

Today's Democrat Party stands for the very same things that the Communist Party did.
In your CloudCuckooLand, that may well be true.
 
they believe that all men are created equal means equal their entire lives not creation. That individuality is important to be successful. They want everyone to be the same. they think a vagina is a penis I guess. They think money is not important. even though it has been the entire life cycle of man. Not sure their koolaid, but they should stop drinking.
You may speak for all liberals but for me, I believe we are all created equal and every child deserves an equal chance to succeed or fail. That chance shouldn't depend on the success of their parents. That is in the best interests of the child, the parents, and the country.
what does create mean? look it up. It isn't inclusive of life after creation. and that is up to the individual. the individual chooses his/her path in life. No matter the consequences.
Look up the definition of "child". Children don't make choices.
 
they believe that all men are created equal means equal their entire lives not creation. That individuality is important to be successful. They want everyone to be the same. they think a vagina is a penis I guess. They think money is not important. even though it has been the entire life cycle of man. Not sure their koolaid, but they should stop drinking.
You may speak for all liberals but for me, I believe we are all created equal and every child deserves an equal chance to succeed or fail. That chance shouldn't depend on the success of their parents. That is in the best interests of the child, the parents, and the country.
what does create mean? look it up. It isn't inclusive of life after creation. and that is up to the individual. the individual chooses his/her path in life. No matter the consequences.
Look up the definition of "child". Children don't make choices.
correct, they have no rights, so the kids protesting guns are meaningless right?
 
accept that the democrats want to take guns just like the Nazi, which shoots your premise down.
Sorry but I don't accept that the democrats want to take away guns from everyone, just criminals, minors, the mentally ill, and people that don't know how and when to use them properly.
 
accept that the democrats want to take guns just like the Nazi, which shoots your premise down.
Sorry but I don't accept that the democrats want to take away guns from everyone, just criminals, minors, the mentally ill, and people that don't know how and when to use them properly.
well taking one gun is taking all guns. It's called precedence. and as such opens up the flood gates. I don't take that explanation at all.
 

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