Unfortunately my friends, gun control is coming.

[RDD_1210]

No, they don't. Your hand selected cherry picked stats are the only ones that support your argument. The fact is that a full treatment of all available data shows that there is no causal connection between proliferation of guns and occurrence of crime.

We have by far the most guns among 1st world countries and the most crime. What separates our country from other nations with lower crime rates that you claim are causing our high crime rates if it's not guns?

Yes, there are criminals everywhere. Banning guns wont change that, but the sheer volume of crime we have and the high rate of violent crime can be lowered with stricter gun control laws.

Small minority populations committing the vast majority of gun murders.


Next question?

So no answer?

 

[SniperFire]

False.

Oh good. Let's stay on subject and continue your richly deserved beatdown. Are you claiming being part of 'militia' is the determiner for any right to bear arms in America?

Are you claiming thats not how it was written in the Constitution?

You are deflecting by trying to answer my question with another question.

You have lost again.

Please select from one of our fine parting gifts as you exit the studio, and as always, thanks for playing!


ROTFLMAO

 

[SniperFire]

We have by far the most guns among 1st world countries and the most crime. What separates our country from other nations with lower crime rates that you claim are causing our high crime rates if it's not guns?

Yes, there are criminals everywhere. Banning guns wont change that, but the sheer volume of crime we have and the high rate of violent crime can be lowered with stricter gun control laws.

Small minority populations committing the vast majority of gun murders.


Next question?

So no answer?

I gave you an exacting answer. You just don't like the answer.

LOL

 

[emptystep]

Personally, I think Justice Scalia is a radical wingnut - but you NaziCon gun nuts should be a little worried about his views on the 2nd Amendment...

And Now a Thought From Justice Scalia

Hey, Lakhota. Saw your thanks. Wondered when you would come and get some.

 

[Zoom]

Maybe not tomorrow, but it will.

We can't fight the mainstream media bias. Even though there are a great many of us NOW that won't allow it, the young are ignorant and susceptable to the media hyperbole and butt hurt. They will believe that guns are bad and blindly go along with whatever the benevolent government says they need to be kept safe.

The asshat in the White House will probably get a SCOTUS pick or two before he's done trashing the country and then all they will need is a challenge to the 2nd Amendment and the liberal court will change the meaning of it.

It will come piecemeal, but it will come.

When it does, this conversation will happen:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/6524222-post1.html

Didnt we have this same exacty thread in 08 after the first election.. You know, when the NRA told you dumb asses he was going to take your guns and you spent all kinds of money on guns back then...just like now.


Dumb asses.

 

[RDD_1210]

Oh good. Let's stay on subject and continue your richly deserved beatdown. Are you claiming being part of 'militia' is the determiner for any right to bear arms in America?

Are you claiming thats not how it was written in the Constitution?

You are deflecting by trying to answer my question with another question.

You have lost again.

Please select from one of our fine parting gifts as you exit the studio, and as always, thanks for playing!


ROTFLMAO

No answer again. That seems to be your thing.

 

[Inthemiddle]

We have by far the most guns among 1st world countries and the most crime.

Not true.

What separates our country from other nations with lower crime rates that you claim are causing our high crime rates if it's not guns?

Oh, so you don't actually know, you're just guessing that it must be deh gunz.

As I've already pointed out, Switzerland is a good example of a country where in home possession of guns is wide spread, and fully automatic assault rifles at that. But they have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. You are insisting on positing a correlation and attempting to infer causation that does not actually exist. If your premise were true, then Switzerland would have a very high crime rate also. The fact that it doesn't proves your premise false.

The proliferation of guns does not cause crime. Crime is caused by various other social factors, such as poverty, lack of adequate education, lack of opportunities for economic success through legal occupations, etc. Neither the proliferation, nor the prohibition, of guns will have a meaningful impact on crime rates. After all, if a person is willing to violate the law by killing someone, they're willing to violate the law by possessing a gun.

Yes, there are criminals everywhere. Banning guns wont change that, but the sheer volume of crime we have and the high rate of violent crime can be lowered with stricter gun control laws.

NO!! You can insist this all you want, but the fact is that you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO to back up this wild and imaginative claim. You WANT it to be true, because you are desperate to believe that you have the power to stop bad things from happening. But the truth is that your want is just as impotent as your suggested means by which to get there.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Personally, I think Justice Scalia is a radical wingnut - but you NaziCon gun nuts should be a little worried about his views on the 2nd Amendment...

And Now a Thought From Justice Scalia

How many times are you going to post this? You're not saying anything here.

 

[emptystep]

It is obvious that you don't have the first idea what the second amendment was about. Read the federalist papers and other writings of the people who crafted that amendment and it becomes clear that the second amendment is the people's final defense against a tyranical government. They wanted to give the people a means of defending themselves against them.

When you're 'defending' yourself please let me know so I can stand back a few feet, or so.

I'm going to use a phrase you are not familiar with.

Asymmetric warfare

So your going to pull a Viet Cong on their ass. Very impressive thinking.

You should watch Rambo, First Blood. He pulled off that shit with sharpened sticks.

 

[emptystep]

Since you have a problem understanding what the purpose for the second amendment is for, I really don't give a god damn what you think should be used.
to too or fucking two is fucking irrelevant at this god damn fucking time.,

Yeah. 2nd ammendment. You know, have as many guns as the militia. That way you can over take the government. Yeah, let's not change that outdated bullshit.

Asymmetric warfare will always win the war.

You do realize you are going to need a few hundred thousand of you crazy fucks to have any real chance. Are you going to take buses to the secret rendezvous clubhouse.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yeah. 2nd ammendment. You know, have as many guns as the militia. That way you can over take the government. Yeah, let's not change that outdated bullshit.

Asymmetric warfare will always win the war.

You do realize you are going to need a few hundred thousand of you crazy fucks to have any real chance. Are you going to take buses to the secret rendezvous clubhouse.

The numbers are there.
Once again Asymmetric warfare will always win the war. Do some research.

 

[emptystep]

If you don't even know what the 2nd Amendment says, why are you posting?

No talking during the test!

Are you as concerned about Eric Holder and Barack Obama putting weapons in the hands of DRUG LORDS??? Or do they get a pass from you gun grabbers?

Heads roll after Fast and Furious investigation - CBS News
Heads are beginning to roll nearly two years after the Fast and Furious gunwalker scandal first came to light. William McMahon, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) official who was in charge of field operations during the controversial operation, has been fired, according to his attorney Mark Zaid who told CBS News "we will be appealing the decision."

Other ATF managers reportedly face similar fates, and announcements could be made soon, though neither they nor their attorneys would confirm it. They are: Mark Chait, who was ATF's assistant director for field operations; Bill Newell, who was ATF's Special Agent in Charge of Phoenix; and George Gillett, Newell's second in command. Chait's attorney David Laufman stated in an email: "Mr. Chait has not been advised of any adverse finding or recommendation by the Professional Review Board at ATF, and any such action would be utterly without merit."

House, DOJ will try to resolve Fast and Furious records lawsuit
Full coverage: Fast and Furious

Another key Fast and Furious figure who's leaving the Justice Department today is Attorney General Eric Holder's chief of staff Gary Grindler. Grindler was faulted by the Justice Department's Inspector General for not informing Holder about the "significant and troubling" link between ATF's Operation Fast and Furious, and rifles found at the murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry on December 15, 2010.

In announcing his departure this week, Holder made no mention of Fast and Furious, and said Grindler "has demonstrated time and again his good judgment and an ability to make the tough - and correct - decisions." Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., who led the House investigation into Fast and Furious, said Grindler's "departure from the Justice Department is warranted and long overdue."

According to a report in the Wall Street Journal, which neither the Justice Department nor ATF would confirm, two other Phoenix-based agents have been recommended for disciplinary action: David Voth, who led the team that conducted Fast and Furious; and the lead agent on the case Hope MacAllister. According to the Wall Street Journal, they would receive demotions, reprimands and/or transfers.

In Operation Fast and Furious, ATF agents allowed thousands of weapons "walk" or to fall into the hands of Mexico's killer drug cartels. Many of them turned up after being used at crime scene in Mexico and the U.S. The Justice Department initially denied any gunwalking had occurred, but, over the course of a lengthy congressional investigation, eventually acknowledged the controversial strategy.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

When you're 'defending' yourself please let me know so I can stand back a few feet, or so.

I'm going to use a phrase you are not familiar with.

Asymmetric warfare

So your going to pull a Viet Cong on their ass. Very impressive thinking.

You should watch Rambo, First Blood. He pulled off that shit with sharped sticks.

Rambo killed just about everybody he shot.

 

[RDD_1210]

We have by far the most guns among 1st world countries and the most crime.

Not true.

Actually, it is true.

What separates our country from other nations with lower crime rates that you claim are causing our high crime rates if it's not guns?

Oh, so you don't actually know, you're just guessing that it must be deh gunz.

As I've already pointed out, Switzerland is a good example of a country where in home possession of guns is wide spread, and fully automatic assault rifles at that. But they have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. You are insisting on positing a correlation and attempting to infer causation that does not actually exist. If your premise were true, then Switzerland would have a very high crime rate also. The fact that it doesn't proves your premise false.

The proliferation of guns does not cause crime. Crime is caused by various other social factors, such as poverty, lack of adequate education, lack of opportunities for economic success through legal occupations, etc. Neither the proliferation, nor the prohibition, of guns will have a meaningful impact on crime rates. After all, if a person is willing to violate the law by killing someone, they're willing to violate the law by possessing a gun.

Yes, there are criminals everywhere. Banning guns wont change that, but the sheer volume of crime we have and the high rate of violent crime can be lowered with stricter gun control laws.

So the U.S. is the only country with poverty, lack of education, etc...? Any stats that you have showing any correlation between those factors and our crime rate?

NO!! You can insist this all you want, but the fact is that you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO to back up this wild and imaginative claim. You WANT it to be true, because you are desperate to believe that you have the power to stop bad things from happening. But the truth is that your want is just as impotent as your suggested means by which to get there.

And you're desperate to protect your precious guns even though all the evidence in the world shows that the country with the highest number of guns is in fact NOT the safest.

 

[emptystep]

No, they don't. Your hand selected cherry picked stats are the only ones that support your argument. The fact is that a full treatment of all available data shows that there is no causal connection between proliferation of guns and occurrence of crime.

We have by far the most guns among 1st world countries and the most crime. What separates our country from other nations with lower crime rates that you claim are causing our high crime rates if it's not guns?

Yes, there are criminals everywhere. Banning guns wont change that, but the sheer volume of crime we have and the high rate of violent crime can be lowered with stricter gun control laws.

Thats all good and fine unless you are one of the victims of those crimes where you were no longer able to defend yourself.

We can start with how many homes were protected with assault rifles and how make innocences were killed with assault rifles.

 

[emptystep]

If you don't even know what the 2nd Amendment says, why are you posting?

No talking during the test!

I think people have figured out you are just here to troll.

I'm incognito.

 

[RDD_1210]

We have by far the most guns among 1st world countries and the most crime. What separates our country from other nations with lower crime rates that you claim are causing our high crime rates if it's not guns?

Yes, there are criminals everywhere. Banning guns wont change that, but the sheer volume of crime we have and the high rate of violent crime can be lowered with stricter gun control laws.

Thats all good and fine unless you are one of the victims of those crimes where you were no longer able to defend yourself.

We can start with how many homes were protected with assault rifles and how make innocences were killed with assault rifles.

Bingo

 

[Dr Grump]

Personally, I think Justice Scalia is a radical wingnut - but you NaziCon gun nuts should be a little worried about his views on the 2nd Amendment...

And Now a Thought From Justice Scalia

There is no law or supreme court justice that will make me give up my right. It's a dead issue.

If the second is ever repealed you will no longer have that right

 

[Inthemiddle]

We can start with how many homes were protected with assault rifles and how make innocences were killed with assault rifles.

You don't even know what an assault rifle is. The fact is that assault rifles don't exist on American streets.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We have by far the most guns among 1st world countries and the most crime. What separates our country from other nations with lower crime rates that you claim are causing our high crime rates if it's not guns?

Yes, there are criminals everywhere. Banning guns wont change that, but the sheer volume of crime we have and the high rate of violent crime can be lowered with stricter gun control laws.

Thats all good and fine unless you are one of the victims of those crimes where you were no longer able to defend yourself.

We can start with how many homes were protected with assault rifles and how make innocences were killed with assault rifles.

I thought you might have been joking about not understanding the intent of the second amendment. But now I understand you really don't understand the purpose of thew second amendment.
Hunting NO
protecting your home some protecting against a tyrannical government 100%