Union Boss salaries- They have a lot in common with the people they represent

[thereisnospoon]

Since you edited your post after my reply, that only works if you think collective bargaining is the only thing unions do.

They do also contribute to Democrat election campaigns... regardless of the wishes of their membershit.

Yes, I spelled it that way on purpose.

Which one of the several typos in that post was on purpose?

And, in fact, they can't run political ads unless members give permission for their funds to be used in that way.

Wrong...Unions may not use dues to donate to individual candidates, The Taft-Hartley Act banned that. Unions may use dues money collected for "public use"...Unions do donate to the DNC, state and local democrat party coffers.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So are ratholes that harvest their own people for transplant organs..

So it's not exactly a good thing, is it?

I do not fly Confederate flags and believe it is divisive but taking down a flag solves what?

The 3rd world country Joe is the north now. Old everything, worn out roads.
And as evidenced by your posts, depressing folks.
Most everything down here is new: new roads, new construction, massive new sky scrapers in Atlanta and beautiful country.
And the women are not FUGLY down here.
Inside joke amongst the athletes is the reason Atlanta has won only 2 pro championships (well actually one as the first was in pro soccer in the 60s and that really doesn't count) is there is so many fine women here that the jocks can not keep their eye on the ball!
My beauriful bride of 36 years is from Cleveland Ohio. They revitalized that city but in the 70s and early 80s is was the rathole. Damn river caught on fire there it was so polluted.

The only reason rivers aren't catching on fire in the south today is the lack of heavy industry. It's certainly not because of regulatory protections.

That statement does not rise to the level of stupid.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The only reason rivers aren't catching on fire in the south today is the lack of heavy industry. It's certainly not because of regulatory protections.

News flash Moe: Heavy industry left America a long time ago.
Guess why?

Because it turns out to be cheaper to pay Chinese people 50 cents an hour to make steel and then ship it across the Pacific.

Well?....Your point?
Look, foreign made steel is cheaper to make there not because of wages but because most of the process in those plants is automated. Perhaps 10% of the people needed to make steel in an old style steel plant here are needed to make steel in a modern plant.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Most all the new auto plants in America would BE IN THE SOUTH.
If that is not heavy industry what is?

Because labor unions are illegal in most southern states. Although, interesting, that hasn't done much to control their labor costs.

Once again. Unions are legal in all 50 states and DC.
Stop posting that, It is incorrect.

 

[Ernie S.]

Face it folks. Unions are in the pits because finally the workers have awaken and figured out that hey!, I am smart enough to negotiate my wages on MY OWN. Why pay a fat cat thug a commission?
And they are coming south by the bus loads.
Welcome, they do good work and are happy with life down here.
And the women are not FUGLY.

I've been to the South. It's a third world country compared to the NOrth...

You're getting our refuse, the kind of inbred moron who flies a Confederate Flag over his house and doesn't see anything wrong with it.

Your refuse? Illinois unemployment rate is 8.8%. Alabama is 7.3%. Sounds to me that people that want to find a job may be leaving your area, but Chicago's "refuse" went to DC or stayed put.
Have you ever been to Alabama? Sure some of us fly the Battle Flag, but I'd be willing to bet there are more US flags flying her, per capita than in Chicago

 

[MikeK]

One thing left off here (same with CEO's) - is their salary is a small part of the total package.
Like CEO's it is not uncommon to receive full compensation for the rest of their lives after leaving office in as little as 10 years.

Still, the relative difference between a union executive's terminal benefit package and the kind of bonuses most CEO's receive is so vast it is pointless to attempt a comparison. Even if a union boss leaves with a 100% salary and benefit package in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, how does that compare with some CEOs walking away with multi-million dollar bonuses year after year?

For the most part the salaries of union executives and the rank and file membership are in acceptable proportion, whereas the average CEO's compensation is vastly excessive in comparison to that of their workers.

 

[TodHardin]

It can't be

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Union Boss salaries- They have a lot in common with the people they represent

You're right.

The salaries of both union bosses and union workers are all substantially lower than the salaries of the CEO's running the corporations.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Of course

just as the salaries of Union bosses are substantially higher than the Union workers

 

[zeke]

Of course

just as the salaries of Union bosses are substantially higher than the Union workers

It is just a matter of degress isn't it? For instance a worker might make 50k a year, his union boss, 250 k a year or 5 times as much, the CEO makes 2.5 million a year or 10 times as much as the head union guy.

What is it that the CEO does that is worth 50 times what a good worker makes? Besides being friends with the members of the board of directors.

How is it that you pick on the union boss making 5 times as much and working to get the worker 50k a year vs the CEO making 2.5 million a year and trying to cut wages.

You have a problem with workers making a living wage? Why?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Stocks and perks ARE EARNED.
Big difference. Something about making a profit.
Ya know? Capitalism.
Take a look in your pocket.

Nonsense, Gadawag, absolutely nonsense.

Nope....100% TRUE...

The point is not capitalism, munchkin, it is that Union bosses are far closer to those they represent than are the CEOs to the workers, and the Union bosses get far less than the CEOs in retirement and perks.

And you uber-corporatists want to shut off union influence? Look at what happened in WI. Walker, I think, will survive the 5th, but he has been kissing unions for the last three months, and will cozy up after the 5th. What a stupid guy.

 

[thereisnospoon]

One thing left off here (same with CEO's) - is their salary is a small part of the total package.
Like CEO's it is not uncommon to receive full compensation for the rest of their lives after leaving office in as little as 10 years.

Still, the relative difference between a union executive's terminal benefit package and the kind of bonuses most CEO's receive is so vast it is pointless to attempt a comparison. Even if a union boss leaves with a 100% salary and benefit package in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, how does that compare with some CEOs walking away with multi-million dollar bonuses year after year?

For the most part the salaries of union executives and the rank and file membership are in acceptable proportion, whereas the average CEO's compensation is vastly excessive in comparison to that of their workers.

Because the owners of the company are taking all the risk. It's THEIR money that is on the line. If the company goes under, there goes the cash. Of course there are so called golden parachutes. These are large settlements negotiated by the individual when hired. Those are becoming fewer and farther between.
Years ago, top corp. brass were paid salaries. The stockholders said their wages were absurd. That they needed to be paid based on the performance of the company and the stock. WE DEMANDED THIS...Now most top level people are paid this way, what the class envy crowd does not acknowledge is that there are years where these people are paid very little. It varies.
Look, the left is using terms such as "profit" "corporation" "CEO" "Fair Share" and others for one reason. That is to gin up support for democrat candidates running on the class warfare "I will tax these people so you will feel better" platform.
It's nonsense. Democrats cannot run on their record of performance in office because they have not accomplished anything. In fact they have taken the country backward.
High tax low yield does not work in favor of the people.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Nonsense, Gadawag, absolutely nonsense.

Nope....100% TRUE...

The point is not capitalism, munchkin, it is that Union bosses are far closer to those they represent than are the CEOs to the workers, and the Union bosses get far less than the CEOs in retirement and perks.

And you uber-corporatists want to shut off union influence? Look at what happened in WI. Walker, I think, will survive the 5th, but he has been kissing unions for the last three months, and will cozy up after the 5th. What a stupid guy.

Munchkin? Were you just thinking about those little treats from Dunkin Donuts? Though so. Because I am certain that term was not directed toward me.
Union leadership have as little connection to the workers as the people in the board room at GE.
So please stop the nonsense.
Walker will win because the people are sick of the high wages and gold plated benefit packages for unionized public workers. The taxpayers are have spoken and they are going to speak again on June 5th. The DNC has pulled support from the race.
This movement to rein in public worker unions is spreading across the nation.
I knew this was going to happen.
The taxpayers are tapped out. There is no more money to pay those wages and fund those benefits. Sorry, but public workers are just going to have to live with regular wages and benefits just like the rest of us.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Of course

just as the salaries of Union bosses are substantially higher than the Union workers

It is just a matter of degress isn't it? For instance a worker might make 50k a year, his union boss, 250 k a year or 5 times as much, the CEO makes 2.5 million a year or 10 times as much as the head union guy.

What is it that the CEO does that is worth 50 times what a good worker makes? Besides being friends with the members of the board of directors.

How is it that you pick on the union boss making 5 times as much and working to get the worker 50k a year vs the CEO making 2.5 million a year and trying to cut wages.

You have a problem with workers making a living wage? Why?

Last point first. The idea of a living wage is a myth. So no more of that.
No one is "picking on" the union boss.
The point here, now read carefully and understand, is that the so called 99%ers the self proclaimed downtrodden "working man" is ripping mad about those people who they consider to be high wage. Ask what that number is, you get all kinds of answers. The consensus seems to be about $200k per year or so. The chart in this thread listed several people who are union bosses who make up to several times that. Making them part of the OWS hated 1%...Also, you people on the left ignore the fact that some of the wealthiest people in the US and on the planet are big time liberals. That most democrats in Congress are very wealthy people. The left lets that slide.
Even Barack Obama is a one percenter and he goes on about the rich needing to pay their so called "fair share"....
It's all political hackery and pandering to the democrat base.
It's hypocrisy..
You people voted for Obama because he said hope and change and yes we can....None of it has happened in fact things have gotten stagnant. Our annualized GDP growth rate is STILL under 2%. Federal deficits are 15 trillion projected over the next ten years.
Yet, you people insist it's better to be miserable with the same guy in office rather than take a risk and try something new. And you call us closed minded. Sheesh.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nope....100% TRUE...

The point is not capitalism, munchkin, it is that Union bosses are far closer to those they represent than are the CEOs to the workers, and the Union bosses get far less than the CEOs in retirement and perks.

And you uber-corporatists want to shut off union influence? Look at what happened in WI. Walker, I think, will survive the 5th, but he has been kissing unions for the last three months, and will cozy up after the 5th. What a stupid guy.

Munchkin? Were you just thinking about those little treats from Dunkin Donuts? Though so. Because I am certain that term was not directed toward me. Union leadership have as little connection to the workers as the people in the board room at GE. So please stop the nonsense. Walker will win because the people are sick of the high wages and gold plated benefit packages for unionized public workers. The taxpayers are have spoken and they are going to speak again on June 5th. The DNC has pulled support from the race. This movement to rein in public worker unions is spreading across the nation. I knew this was going to happen. The taxpayers are tapped out. There is no more money to pay those wages and fund those benefits. Sorry, but public workers are just going to have to live with regular wages and benefits just like the rest of us.

Yep, spoon is a munchkin mind when it comes to unions, the law, and reality. Union leaders are far more connected to the rank and file than the great CEOs. Walker may win but will continue to kiss union ass. Nope, the movement has ground to halt and will be reversed state by state by true Americans.

 

[Gadawg73]

Nonsense, Gadawag, absolutely nonsense.

Nope....100% TRUE...

The point is not capitalism, munchkin, it is that Union bosses are far closer to those they represent than are the CEOs to the workers, and the Union bosses get far less than the CEOs in retirement and perks.

And you uber-corporatists want to shut off union influence? Look at what happened in WI. Walker, I think, will survive the 5th, but he has been kissing unions for the last three months, and will cozy up after the 5th. What a stupid guy.

Jake, let me appeal to your reason and common sense.
How many private corporations make a profit? And out of those making a profit how many are non union? What is the P/E ratio of union shop companies versus non union companies?
Who benefits from a company making the profit? The employees of the company or the owners of the company?
You speak of union influences? Okay, again let me appeal to your reason and common sense Jake. Union influences ARE A VERY, VERY BAD THING.
The Illinois Legislature again yesterday was bamboozled by union influences. Nothing unusual about that Jake. Been that way for 40 years up there. This is where they are because of union influences:
137 BILLION DOLLARS in unfunded government union employees pension and healthcare benefits Jake. Why? Because the union dollars flowby the millions into Democratic coffers every year to defeat any attempt tochange the laws there.
The most recent example is an offer by Republicans to make union pension retirees with retirement pensions OVER ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS pay a portion of their health care bills. No way says the union. No way.
But the unions will not compromise on this.
Jake, guess who the well paid lobbyists are that lobby the Illinois legislature to keep NO CHANGES to the retirees making over 100K?
UNION BOSSES.
In 2011 2 bills that were bi-partisan were blocked by the union bosses on the last day of the legislature.
Come November the nation will remember this. Unions are ME, ME AND ME.
The unions have fucked themselves.
Good riddance. They are selfish pigs.
And you blame corporations. Wake up Jake.
YOU can do better.

 

[Gadawg73]

I laugh my ass off everytime I hear this "living wage" BS.
"A family of 5 can not live off the minimum wage, they deserve a living wage"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
WAHT THE FUCK are mature adults having children making the minimum wage?
Personal responsibility has taken a back seat to "I deserve to be paid what I can live on"
INSTEAD OF I WILL BE PAID WHAT THE MARKET DEMANDS FOR MY SKILLS.
Americans have become fat and lazy and feel they are entitled to whatever they want.

 

[Foxfyre]

I laugh my ass off everytime I hear this "living wage" BS.
"A family of 5 can not live off the minimum wage, they deserve a living wage"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
WAHT THE FUCK are mature adults having children making the minimum wage?
Personal responsibility has taken a back seat to "I deserve to be paid what I can live on"
INSTEAD OF I WILL BE PAID WHAT THE MARKET DEMANDS FOR MY SKILLS.
Americans have become fat and lazy and feel they are entitled to whatever they want.

That's the primary difference between the right and left in America these days. "Conservatives" go with individual initiative, responsibility, accountability, and productivity. "Liberals" look to government to put a chicken in every pot so to speak.

Labor is a commodity like anything else that goes into production. Labor is worth only as much as it produces in profits for the employer. The good employer will pay more to the employee who produces more profits. The bad employer who does not reward those who make him profits will not be able to hire or keep good people and his business will suffer.

The less profits that are made, the less money there will be to increase salaries, benefitts, or hire more people. A union that demands more in wages and benefits than the workers are producing in profits will cause fewer people to be hired and at worst can cause the business to go out of business. As there are no profits in government, there should be no public unions.

 

[Foxfyre]

Also, it is a given that the union bosses don't give a damn about the health of the business or the tax payer. They are interested in making themselves as rich as they can, and, if they destroy or seriously damage the business or public entity they don't care. They already got theirs. Everybody else can be damned.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Gadawag and Foxfyre truly do not comprehend the problems.

G, you have to give us the company/union profit to company/nonunion profit ratio, not me. Why? That's your argument. A weak one, I might add.

Collective bargaining to improve dangerous working conditions is a bad thing? Really?

G does not know that it's the CEOs who get all their pension and parachute benefits UP FRONT before the rest of the union and workers. Almost every compensation contract is written that way. But G knows that but does not share it.

I agree that the union should compromise on pensionees paying a portion of their health care bills, once the CEOs are moved to the back of the line on collection benefits and parachutes. The second that happens, every thing gets funded.

G, guess who the well paid lobbyists are for the CEOs and the companies?

G, you can't win this one, because the facts don't support you.

NOW, go through your and my posts, build an affirmative case with assertions supported by factual and unbiased evidence, and then Conclude with the significant emphasis of your belief. Stop making assertions without significant unbiased evidence, then demand I refute them. Not my job, because you failed.