Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[DBA]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Bullshit:

1. Private insurance has lied to the American people for generations. It has lead to a 33% administration cost to American consumers. Once Americans learn about "hassle free healthcare" - with no copays, no pre-approvals, and no paperwork, they'll love it as much as the rest of the world does. Everything that Americans fear about publically funded healthcare, is a lie.

2. Doctors won't have to deal with insurance companies, either for pre-approvals or payment. They can spend more time with patients. Instead of having to bill 1000 different insurance companies, and having to hire a third party billing and collections company to do his paperwork, his receptionist can handle all of that. The doctor sends out one bill a month and the cheques come like clockwork. As a doctor who has practiced in both countries said, "I made more money in the USA, but I kept more of what I made in Canada. Doctors still make a tremendous amount of money.

3. You can still buy private or semi-private rooms, and full time private nursing, if you can afford it. The wealthy still get better care. My very wealthy friend's family hired 24 hour round the clock nurses when their father was in hospice, and kept him at home, where he died peacefully. No one is concerned about what the wealthy do - they'll always be able to get care. We care about the 99% of people who aren't wealthy and can't otherwise afford care.

4. Every other first world nation in the world manages to do this. What you're saying is that Americans are too stupid to see the sanity and cost savings in single payer. I happen to think Americans are smarter that you do.

1) You are simply misinformed. The wait times are a real issue and would be exponentially worse in the US, particularly if the Democrats continue to decide to provide healthcare to whoever decides to walk across our border. That is pure idiocy.

2) Doctors don't worry about the administrative cost anyway unless they work for themselves, which is the minority. Doctors will not keep more of what they make because, on top of getting rid of private healthcare, they also want to raise taxes on the wealthy. Guess who falls into that category.

3) Do you think it is fair that those who pay into healthcare via tax don't deserve to get more out of it in terms of frills(private rooms, etc? It is ok with you for a person who has not paid much if any into the system gets the same luxuries as a person who makes 500k/yr? Forget the quality of care, I am ok with all having the same, but the frills should be reserved for those that paid for them. I have a serious problem with paying a large portion of my taxes towards healthcare and sharing my room with, for example, an illegal immigrant(or a US citizen) who has paid none or MUCH less. I should be in a private room with a TV and they should be sharing a room with no frills. The same care, no-frills for those who haven't paid.

4) America has the best healthcare in the world in terms of quality. Don't buy into the hype about other countries. That is a huge load of crap. There is a reason the US is at the forefront of medical and pharmaceutical innovations and it has everything to do with Capitalism and competition. This will be severaly hampered by single payer.

Yes, there are waiting lists and they are on a triage basis. My friend and I both need knee replacement surgery. I started the process 6 months ago, and I'm on the waiting list for surgery. I can walk unassisted, and my pain is easily managed. My friend started the process 1 month ago, and is getting her surgery date this week. She can't walk without a walker, and is on opiods for the pain. She isn't on any waiting list.

There are frills for those who pay for them. Rich people in Canada have a much higher level of service available to them. Private and semi-private rooms are an additional charge, unless medically mandated. When my daughter was born, I had supplemental health insurance which paid for a semi-private room. OHIP pays for a ward, only. TV's are extra - for everyone, unless you're ambulatory and can go to the common room. There's also a charge for WIFI, although you can generally sweet talk some staff into giving you the password.

America does NOT have anywhere close to the best healthcare in the world. I'm not buying into the hype from other countries, I'm living the hype in other countries. If you have the best healthcare in the world, why is your life expectancy declining while all of the countries with government funded universal health care are seeing our life expectancy increasing?

Personal responsibility dictates life expectancy not some some fucked up socialist entitlement program. Lol

Well then I guess those of us who live in countries with government funded healthcare aren't nearly the apathetic socialist parasites that you claim all socialists are by nature. Not only are we doing healthcare BETTER than the USA, but we're doing it cheaper - much, much cheaper - just over half the cost of American healthcare. And by "we", I'm talking about the entire first world. 35 first world countries have better, cheaper healthcare. And that's universal health care.

You're prepared to pay twice as much as the rest of the world in perpetuity, just to ensure someone who didn't pay into the system, never gets free treatment. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants is a way of life for Republicans.

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world. There is a reason the rest of the world is trailing behind and that is due to the very things you argue against in nearly every thread. Maybe you are just jealous. I know that my standard of living is far above average in any developed country. I do fall in a higher-income class, but the US affords me opportunities I would not have in most other countries.

 

[francoHFW]

I don't see that as necessarily a positive. May change some now that women can drive and go out in public LOL.

How will it change when drug use and drinking is against the law?

When they get a democracy and freedom, drinking won't be against the law and drug abuse will not be a death penalty. Fundamentalists in charge of government is a catastrophe. Any fundamentalists....

When or If? Remember there is no separation of church and state in any mostly Muslim country. Sharia Law says divorce (maybe not), intoxication, homosexuality and drug abuse are punishable by death. As is apostasy. Fun place....

But that keeps families together and there is no intoxication or drug abuse.

Turkey is very proud of being a secular country. So is Morocco and Tunisia. The more democratic they are, more secular they are. They are coming along and out of third world status very quickly. Despite the GOP. You would make a good fundamentalist Nazi LOL.

Turkey is a dictatorship and Neither Morocco not Tunisia treat women as equals.

Turkey still has elections even if Erdogan is a piece of crap. No wonder Trump loves him.

 

[JoeB131]

quality health care isnt measured by accessibility or price put by outcome

You do realize that Cancer is what kills you if nothing else does, right?

The Brits live longer, less of their babies die, and they spend less. A lot less, than we do.

and lastly the leading cause of infant mortality in the US by far is Congenital Defects
which hasn't a dam thing to do with lack of health care prenatal or otherwise but genetics

Congential defects? YOu mean all those folks in MAGA country fucking their cousins?

(By the way, this is the part where I stop taking you seriously and start mocking you.)

 

[JoeB131]

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world.

NO, it isn't We spend more per capita and get the worst results...

Here is the thing. I agree that our insurance system is whacked and terrible. But I do not believe UH would be any better. Anything and everything run by bureaucrats sucks.

Yet the Zionist Entity has.. wait for it... Universal Healthcare.

Healthcare in Israel - Wikipedia

Healthcare in Israel is universal and participation in a medical insurance plan is compulsory. All Israeli residents are entitled to basic health care as a fundamental right. The Israeli healthcare system is based on the National Health Insurance Law of 1995, which mandates all citizens resident in the country to join one of four official health insurance organizations, known as Kupat Holim (קופת חולים - "Sick Funds") which are run as not-for-profit organizations and are prohibited by law from denying any Israeli resident membership. Israelis can increase their medical coverage and improve their options by purchasing private health insurance.[1] In a survey of 48 countries in 2013, Israel's health system was ranked fourth in the world in terms of efficiency, and in 2014 it ranked seventh out of 51.[2] In 2015, Israel was ranked sixth-healthiest country in the world by Bloomberg rankings[3] and ranked eighth in terms of life expectancy.

 

[Andylusion]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Have just seen this.


My daughter is pm-ing me from the emergency room (A&E in England) of an NHS hospital. And describing how ghastly it is.

US ERs are just as bad.

No. That is incorrect. Public hospital ERs, and VA ERs are just as bad, yes. But private hospital? No, not bad. Not at all.

I have been to ERs in the US and had to wait an hour and a half, dripping blood on the carpet, before they would stitch up a bad cut.
I have been to ERs in other countries and they are faster, more careful, and no paperwork at all.
I have never seen anyone get US ER service faster than an hour or so.

Yes, which hospital? Because it does matter.

If you go to a private hospital, you would be treated very differently, than if you go to a public ER. It also matters what state you are in. For example, all ERs are terrible in Massachusetts. Why? Because the government covers everyone... thus since you are not a customer, you are treated like a number.

I have been to the ER several times in my life. But I refuse to go to government funded hospitals. I have never once had to wait half an hour.

That's one of the problems with the American system right now.... is that many people do not know how socialized, or free-market, whatever hospital they are walking into.

Dallas Man dies While Waiting at Parkland ER

Take this example. A man goes to the ER at the hospital. He waits 19 hours in the ER, and eventually dies, without ever seeing a doctor.

People look at that, and say "Oh free-market capitalism doesn't work!" But here.....

Parkland Memorial Hospital - Wikipedia

Parkland is part of the publicly run care system in Dallas Texas.

So there was nothing "Free market capitalist" about that mans death. Socialism killed that man.

And I for one, think we need less of that, not more.

Now that isn't to say that all private health care providers are the pinnacle of perfection..... You can still have a bad system, even if capitalist... because it isn't free-market.

Let me give you an example. Do you know what certificate of need is? CON Laws, are laws where you can't open a clinic, or hospital, without a CON. You need a Certificate of Need, before you can open a new ER.

Now the irony is, politicians have no idea if there is a need for a new ER or not. So who do you think they go to, to find out if there is a need? Existing hospitals.

It's like going to Walmart, and asking if they think there is a need for another store.

So even if the hospitals are privately owned, and operated... in many states it is not a free-market. The ERs could be way over crowded, and because no one can open a new ER without a CON, nothing will improve. Why would a hospital allow another ER to open, which could draw away customers?

Free Market Capitalism works. Always has. Always will. We just need to get out of the way, and let the system work.

 

[Polishprince]

Most Americans are very satisfied with the health care they receive. This is why B. Hussein O lied so incessantly that "if you like your doctor and your plan, you can keep them".

The problem with American health care was with only a tiny fraction of the American peeps.

Before the ACA, most people had insurance or did not want it, or were on medicaid or other charity programs for care. Only a small fraction really needed to be addressed.

But instead of talking about the few number of charity cases that might have been falling through the loopholes, Obama and the libs put together a program that would inconvenience everyone.

That's the essence of liberalism, people telling other people what to do.

 

[francoHFW]

Bullshit:

1. Private insurance has lied to the American people for generations. It has lead to a 33% administration cost to American consumers. Once Americans learn about "hassle free healthcare" - with no copays, no pre-approvals, and no paperwork, they'll love it as much as the rest of the world does. Everything that Americans fear about publically funded healthcare, is a lie.

2. Doctors won't have to deal with insurance companies, either for pre-approvals or payment. They can spend more time with patients. Instead of having to bill 1000 different insurance companies, and having to hire a third party billing and collections company to do his paperwork, his receptionist can handle all of that. The doctor sends out one bill a month and the cheques come like clockwork. As a doctor who has practiced in both countries said, "I made more money in the USA, but I kept more of what I made in Canada. Doctors still make a tremendous amount of money.

3. You can still buy private or semi-private rooms, and full time private nursing, if you can afford it. The wealthy still get better care. My very wealthy friend's family hired 24 hour round the clock nurses when their father was in hospice, and kept him at home, where he died peacefully. No one is concerned about what the wealthy do - they'll always be able to get care. We care about the 99% of people who aren't wealthy and can't otherwise afford care.

4. Every other first world nation in the world manages to do this. What you're saying is that Americans are too stupid to see the sanity and cost savings in single payer. I happen to think Americans are smarter that you do.

1) You are simply misinformed. The wait times are a real issue and would be exponentially worse in the US, particularly if the Democrats continue to decide to provide healthcare to whoever decides to walk across our border. That is pure idiocy.

2) Doctors don't worry about the administrative cost anyway unless they work for themselves, which is the minority. Doctors will not keep more of what they make because, on top of getting rid of private healthcare, they also want to raise taxes on the wealthy. Guess who falls into that category.

3) Do you think it is fair that those who pay into healthcare via tax don't deserve to get more out of it in terms of frills(private rooms, etc? It is ok with you for a person who has not paid much if any into the system gets the same luxuries as a person who makes 500k/yr? Forget the quality of care, I am ok with all having the same, but the frills should be reserved for those that paid for them. I have a serious problem with paying a large portion of my taxes towards healthcare and sharing my room with, for example, an illegal immigrant(or a US citizen) who has paid none or MUCH less. I should be in a private room with a TV and they should be sharing a room with no frills. The same care, no-frills for those who haven't paid.

4) America has the best healthcare in the world in terms of quality. Don't buy into the hype about other countries. That is a huge load of crap. There is a reason the US is at the forefront of medical and pharmaceutical innovations and it has everything to do with Capitalism and competition. This will be severaly hampered by single payer.

Yes, there are waiting lists and they are on a triage basis. My friend and I both need knee replacement surgery. I started the process 6 months ago, and I'm on the waiting list for surgery. I can walk unassisted, and my pain is easily managed. My friend started the process 1 month ago, and is getting her surgery date this week. She can't walk without a walker, and is on opiods for the pain. She isn't on any waiting list.

There are frills for those who pay for them. Rich people in Canada have a much higher level of service available to them. Private and semi-private rooms are an additional charge, unless medically mandated. When my daughter was born, I had supplemental health insurance which paid for a semi-private room. OHIP pays for a ward, only. TV's are extra - for everyone, unless you're ambulatory and can go to the common room. There's also a charge for WIFI, although you can generally sweet talk some staff into giving you the password.

America does NOT have anywhere close to the best healthcare in the world. I'm not buying into the hype from other countries, I'm living the hype in other countries. If you have the best healthcare in the world, why is your life expectancy declining while all of the countries with government funded universal health care are seeing our life expectancy increasing?

Personal responsibility dictates life expectancy not some some fucked up socialist entitlement program. Lol

Well then I guess those of us who live in countries with government funded healthcare aren't nearly the apathetic socialist parasites that you claim all socialists are by nature. Not only are we doing healthcare BETTER than the USA, but we're doing it cheaper - much, much cheaper - just over half the cost of American healthcare. And by "we", I'm talking about the entire first world. 35 first world countries have better, cheaper healthcare. And that's universal health care.

You're prepared to pay twice as much as the rest of the world in perpetuity, just to ensure someone who didn't pay into the system, never gets free treatment. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants is a way of life for Republicans.

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world. There is a reason the rest of the world is trailing behind and that is due to the very things you argue against in nearly every thread. Maybe you are just jealous. I know that my standard of living is far above average in any developed country. I do fall in a higher-income class, but the US affords me opportunities I would not have in most other countries.

She is certainly more expert on reality than you brainwashed functional morons on the right are. actually places like Norway Luxembourg have higher standards of living than here without even going into the fact that they get free healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly the rich are taxed their fair share there... We Love America as much as anyone but the GOP is driving the middle class and the working class into the ground all to save the rich from paying what they should in taxes. With our incredible advantage in natural resources and defense, we should be doing a lot better.

 

[francoHFW]

Most Americans are very satisfied with the health care they receive. This is why B. Hussein O lied so incessantly that "if you like your doctor and your plan, you can keep them".

The problem with American health care was with only a tiny fraction of the American peeps.

Before the ACA, most people had insurance or did not want it, or were on medicaid or other charity programs for care. Only a small fraction really needed to be addressed.

But instead of talking about the few number of charity cases that might have been falling through the loopholes, Obama and the libs put together a program that would inconvenience everyone.

That's the essence of liberalism, people telling other people what to do.

The mandate was a mistake, and Obama originally did not want a mandate but did want a public option. That would have worked a lot better LOL. Warren and Sanders are making the same mistake.

of course the dupes did not know about all the suffering under the old GOP scam non-system.

 

[TRFjr]

quality health care isnt measured by accessibility or price put by outcome

You do realize that Cancer is what kills you if nothing else does, right?

The Brits live longer, less of their babies die, and they spend less. A lot less, than we do.

and lastly the leading cause of infant mortality in the US by far is Congenital Defects
which hasn't a dam thing to do with lack of health care prenatal or otherwise but genetics

Congential defects? YOu mean all those folks in MAGA country fucking their cousins?

(By the way, this is the part where I stop taking you seriously and start mocking you.)

cancer id the second leading cause of death and the UK has one of the lowest survival ratings with cancer treatment because of the pool health care and the government deciding not to treat many cancer patients
already explained why the UK has a longer life expectancy and it has not a dam thing to do with health care but they live safer lives, less drive there for less have fatal car crashes

the US has over 12 deaths per 100,000 a year that is about 40,000 deaths a year caused by car crashes
The UK has only 3 deaths per 100,000 a year which is only 2,000 deaths

and because younger drivers disproportionately die from car crashes it statistically lowers life expectancy calculations

 

[Polishprince]

1) You are simply misinformed. The wait times are a real issue and would be exponentially worse in the US, particularly if the Democrats continue to decide to provide healthcare to whoever decides to walk across our border. That is pure idiocy.

2) Doctors don't worry about the administrative cost anyway unless they work for themselves, which is the minority. Doctors will not keep more of what they make because, on top of getting rid of private healthcare, they also want to raise taxes on the wealthy. Guess who falls into that category.

3) Do you think it is fair that those who pay into healthcare via tax don't deserve to get more out of it in terms of frills(private rooms, etc? It is ok with you for a person who has not paid much if any into the system gets the same luxuries as a person who makes 500k/yr? Forget the quality of care, I am ok with all having the same, but the frills should be reserved for those that paid for them. I have a serious problem with paying a large portion of my taxes towards healthcare and sharing my room with, for example, an illegal immigrant(or a US citizen) who has paid none or MUCH less. I should be in a private room with a TV and they should be sharing a room with no frills. The same care, no-frills for those who haven't paid.

4) America has the best healthcare in the world in terms of quality. Don't buy into the hype about other countries. That is a huge load of crap. There is a reason the US is at the forefront of medical and pharmaceutical innovations and it has everything to do with Capitalism and competition. This will be severaly hampered by single payer.

Yes, there are waiting lists and they are on a triage basis. My friend and I both need knee replacement surgery. I started the process 6 months ago, and I'm on the waiting list for surgery. I can walk unassisted, and my pain is easily managed. My friend started the process 1 month ago, and is getting her surgery date this week. She can't walk without a walker, and is on opiods for the pain. She isn't on any waiting list.

There are frills for those who pay for them. Rich people in Canada have a much higher level of service available to them. Private and semi-private rooms are an additional charge, unless medically mandated. When my daughter was born, I had supplemental health insurance which paid for a semi-private room. OHIP pays for a ward, only. TV's are extra - for everyone, unless you're ambulatory and can go to the common room. There's also a charge for WIFI, although you can generally sweet talk some staff into giving you the password.

America does NOT have anywhere close to the best healthcare in the world. I'm not buying into the hype from other countries, I'm living the hype in other countries. If you have the best healthcare in the world, why is your life expectancy declining while all of the countries with government funded universal health care are seeing our life expectancy increasing?

Personal responsibility dictates life expectancy not some some fucked up socialist entitlement program. Lol

Well then I guess those of us who live in countries with government funded healthcare aren't nearly the apathetic socialist parasites that you claim all socialists are by nature. Not only are we doing healthcare BETTER than the USA, but we're doing it cheaper - much, much cheaper - just over half the cost of American healthcare. And by "we", I'm talking about the entire first world. 35 first world countries have better, cheaper healthcare. And that's universal health care.

You're prepared to pay twice as much as the rest of the world in perpetuity, just to ensure someone who didn't pay into the system, never gets free treatment. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants is a way of life for Republicans.

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world. There is a reason the rest of the world is trailing behind and that is due to the very things you argue against in nearly every thread. Maybe you are just jealous. I know that my standard of living is far above average in any developed country. I do fall in a higher-income class, but the US affords me opportunities I would not have in most other countries.

She is certainly more expert on reality than you brainwashed functional morons on the right are. actually places like Norway Luxembourg have higher standards of living than here without even going into the fact that they get free healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly the rich are taxed their fair share there... We Love America as much as anyone but the GOP is driving the middle class and the working class into the ground all to save the rich from paying what they should in taxes. With our incredible advantage in natural resources and defense, we should be doing a lot better.

If you think that Luxembourg and Norway are so tremendous, you should look to move there. I am not particularly happy with the ACA. But there are a lot worse out there. At least there are no mandates, and service is still available. Although it is a dam shame that President Trump's idea for Tremendous Health Care of higher quality and a lower cost did not go through.

 

[RealDave]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

You need to learn what universal healthcare means.

No one said Medicate for all is free.

 

[Polishprince]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

You need to learn what universal healthcare means.

No one said Medicate for all is free.

If you say you are broke or an Illegal Alien, is it free then?

 

[francoHFW]

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world.

NO, it isn't We spend more per capita and get the worst results...

Here is the thing. I agree that our insurance system is whacked and terrible. But I do not believe UH would be any better. Anything and everything run by bureaucrats sucks.

Yet the Zionist Entity has.. wait for it... Universal Healthcare.

Healthcare in Israel - Wikipedia

Healthcare in Israel is universal and participation in a medical insurance plan is compulsory. All Israeli residents are entitled to basic health care as a fundamental right. The Israeli healthcare system is based on the National Health Insurance Law of 1995, which mandates all citizens resident in the country to join one of four official health insurance organizations, known as Kupat Holim (קופת חולים - "Sick Funds") which are run as not-for-profit organizations and are prohibited by law from denying any Israeli resident membership. Israelis can increase their medical coverage and improve their options by purchasing private health insurance.[1] In a survey of 48 countries in 2013, Israel's health system was ranked fourth in the world in terms of efficiency, and in 2014 it ranked seventh out of 51.[2] In 2015, Israel was ranked sixth-healthiest country in the world by Bloomberg rankings[3] and ranked eighth in terms of life expectancy.

Every developed country has universal healthcare except us. They are not brainwashedfunctional morons.

 

[Polishprince]

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world.

NO, it isn't We spend more per capita and get the worst results...

Here is the thing. I agree that our insurance system is whacked and terrible. But I do not believe UH would be any better. Anything and everything run by bureaucrats sucks.

Yet the Zionist Entity has.. wait for it... Universal Healthcare.

Healthcare in Israel - Wikipedia

Healthcare in Israel is universal and participation in a medical insurance plan is compulsory. All Israeli residents are entitled to basic health care as a fundamental right. The Israeli healthcare system is based on the National Health Insurance Law of 1995, which mandates all citizens resident in the country to join one of four official health insurance organizations, known as Kupat Holim (קופת חולים - "Sick Funds") which are run as not-for-profit organizations and are prohibited by law from denying any Israeli resident membership. Israelis can increase their medical coverage and improve their options by purchasing private health insurance.[1] In a survey of 48 countries in 2013, Israel's health system was ranked fourth in the world in terms of efficiency, and in 2014 it ranked seventh out of 51.[2] In 2015, Israel was ranked sixth-healthiest country in the world by Bloomberg rankings[3] and ranked eighth in terms of life expectancy.

Every developed country has universal healthcare except us. They are not brainwashedfunctional morons.

If you think its such a tremendous idea, you ought to move to one of those countries.

I mean , really. Why stick Americans with some crapola we don't want, when you can go to Cuba or Norway and enjoy universal healthcare among others who think its hunky-dory.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes, there are waiting lists and they are on a triage basis. My friend and I both need knee replacement surgery. I started the process 6 months ago, and I'm on the waiting list for surgery. I can walk unassisted, and my pain is easily managed. My friend started the process 1 month ago, and is getting her surgery date this week. She can't walk without a walker, and is on opiods for the pain. She isn't on any waiting list.

There are frills for those who pay for them. Rich people in Canada have a much higher level of service available to them. Private and semi-private rooms are an additional charge, unless medically mandated. When my daughter was born, I had supplemental health insurance which paid for a semi-private room. OHIP pays for a ward, only. TV's are extra - for everyone, unless you're ambulatory and can go to the common room. There's also a charge for WIFI, although you can generally sweet talk some staff into giving you the password.

America does NOT have anywhere close to the best healthcare in the world. I'm not buying into the hype from other countries, I'm living the hype in other countries. If you have the best healthcare in the world, why is your life expectancy declining while all of the countries with government funded universal health care are seeing our life expectancy increasing?

Personal responsibility dictates life expectancy not some some fucked up socialist entitlement program. Lol

Well then I guess those of us who live in countries with government funded healthcare aren't nearly the apathetic socialist parasites that you claim all socialists are by nature. Not only are we doing healthcare BETTER than the USA, but we're doing it cheaper - much, much cheaper - just over half the cost of American healthcare. And by "we", I'm talking about the entire first world. 35 first world countries have better, cheaper healthcare. And that's universal health care.

You're prepared to pay twice as much as the rest of the world in perpetuity, just to ensure someone who didn't pay into the system, never gets free treatment. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants is a way of life for Republicans.

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world. There is a reason the rest of the world is trailing behind and that is due to the very things you argue against in nearly every thread. Maybe you are just jealous. I know that my standard of living is far above average in any developed country. I do fall in a higher-income class, but the US affords me opportunities I would not have in most other countries.

She is certainly more expert on reality than you brainwashed functional morons on the right are. actually places like Norway Luxembourg have higher standards of living than here without even going into the fact that they get free healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly the rich are taxed their fair share there... We Love America as much as anyone but the GOP is driving the middle class and the working class into the ground all to save the rich from paying what they should in taxes. With our incredible advantage in natural resources and defense, we should be doing a lot better.

If you think that Luxembourg and Norway are so tremendous, you should look to move there. I am not particularly happy with the ACA. But there are a lot worse out there. At least there are no mandates, and service is still available. Although it is a dam shame that President Trump's idea for Tremendous Health Care of higher quality and a lower cost did not go through.

I said they have standards of living that are just as good. I'm not going anywhere and besides that you can't so you are another stupid brainwashed GOP functional a******. They don't want Americans over there, they think they are assholes like you LOL. Every other developed country has happier people than we have thanks to the GOP. And Dupes like you.I'm glad you are doing well, I hope some of the many people not doing well don't shoot you during the burglary. What a mess..

 

[Polishprince]

Personal responsibility dictates life expectancy not some some fucked up socialist entitlement program. Lol

Well then I guess those of us who live in countries with government funded healthcare aren't nearly the apathetic socialist parasites that you claim all socialists are by nature. Not only are we doing healthcare BETTER than the USA, but we're doing it cheaper - much, much cheaper - just over half the cost of American healthcare. And by "we", I'm talking about the entire first world. 35 first world countries have better, cheaper healthcare. And that's universal health care.

You're prepared to pay twice as much as the rest of the world in perpetuity, just to ensure someone who didn't pay into the system, never gets free treatment. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants is a way of life for Republicans.

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world. There is a reason the rest of the world is trailing behind and that is due to the very things you argue against in nearly every thread. Maybe you are just jealous. I know that my standard of living is far above average in any developed country. I do fall in a higher-income class, but the US affords me opportunities I would not have in most other countries.

She is certainly more expert on reality than you brainwashed functional morons on the right are. actually places like Norway Luxembourg have higher standards of living than here without even going into the fact that they get free healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly the rich are taxed their fair share there... We Love America as much as anyone but the GOP is driving the middle class and the working class into the ground all to save the rich from paying what they should in taxes. With our incredible advantage in natural resources and defense, we should be doing a lot better.

If you think that Luxembourg and Norway are so tremendous, you should look to move there. I am not particularly happy with the ACA. But there are a lot worse out there. At least there are no mandates, and service is still available. Although it is a dam shame that President Trump's idea for Tremendous Health Care of higher quality and a lower cost did not go through.

I said they have standards of living that are just as good. I'm not going anywhere and besides that you can't so you are another stupid brainwashed GOP functional a******. They don't want Americans over there, they think they are assholes like you LOL. Every other developed country has happier people than we have thanks to the GOP. And Dupes like you.I'm glad you are doing well, I hope some of the many people not doing well don't shoot you during the burglary. What a mess..

Why can't you go over there? Don't they have open borders? Sure they do- I remember all the refugees coming into Europe from the middle East.

Just say your are a jihadi, they'll let you right in.

 

[francoHFW]

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world.

NO, it isn't We spend more per capita and get the worst results...

Here is the thing. I agree that our insurance system is whacked and terrible. But I do not believe UH would be any better. Anything and everything run by bureaucrats sucks.

Yet the Zionist Entity has.. wait for it... Universal Healthcare.

Healthcare in Israel - Wikipedia

Healthcare in Israel is universal and participation in a medical insurance plan is compulsory. All Israeli residents are entitled to basic health care as a fundamental right. The Israeli healthcare system is based on the National Health Insurance Law of 1995, which mandates all citizens resident in the country to join one of four official health insurance organizations, known as Kupat Holim (קופת חולים - "Sick Funds") which are run as not-for-profit organizations and are prohibited by law from denying any Israeli resident membership. Israelis can increase their medical coverage and improve their options by purchasing private health insurance.[1] In a survey of 48 countries in 2013, Israel's health system was ranked fourth in the world in terms of efficiency, and in 2014 it ranked seventh out of 51.[2] In 2015, Israel was ranked sixth-healthiest country in the world by Bloomberg rankings[3] and ranked eighth in terms of life expectancy.

Every developed country has universal healthcare except us. They are not brainwashedfunctional morons.

If you think its such a tremendous idea, you ought to move to one of those countries.

I mean , really. Why stick Americans with some crapola we don't want, when you can go to Cuba or Norway and enjoy universal healthcare among others who think its hunky-dory.

No you can't go there dumbass. You people are so stupid whoops brainwashed functional morons. They have ID cards there and you are not invited in like the GOP has invited illegals in forever. Don't you know an ID card is a communist plot? Don't worry about me I'm fine. I worry about my fellow citizens. When 70% of the country is living paycheck-to-paycheck you know you have a GOP mess on your hands. 35 years of GOP give away to the rich tax rates and screw job for the rest will do that. Only propaganda makes it possible. You idiots blame the victims

 

[francoHFW]

Well then I guess those of us who live in countries with government funded healthcare aren't nearly the apathetic socialist parasites that you claim all socialists are by nature. Not only are we doing healthcare BETTER than the USA, but we're doing it cheaper - much, much cheaper - just over half the cost of American healthcare. And by "we", I'm talking about the entire first world. 35 first world countries have better, cheaper healthcare. And that's universal health care.

You're prepared to pay twice as much as the rest of the world in perpetuity, just to ensure someone who didn't pay into the system, never gets free treatment. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants is a way of life for Republicans.

Let me guess this straight. You aren't from the US but you are an expert on our politics and our healthcare. The US is absolutely the most powerful economy in the world and has the best quality of healthcare in the world. There is a reason the rest of the world is trailing behind and that is due to the very things you argue against in nearly every thread. Maybe you are just jealous. I know that my standard of living is far above average in any developed country. I do fall in a higher-income class, but the US affords me opportunities I would not have in most other countries.

She is certainly more expert on reality than you brainwashed functional morons on the right are. actually places like Norway Luxembourg have higher standards of living than here without even going into the fact that they get free healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly the rich are taxed their fair share there... We Love America as much as anyone but the GOP is driving the middle class and the working class into the ground all to save the rich from paying what they should in taxes. With our incredible advantage in natural resources and defense, we should be doing a lot better.

If you think that Luxembourg and Norway are so tremendous, you should look to move there. I am not particularly happy with the ACA. But there are a lot worse out there. At least there are no mandates, and service is still available. Although it is a dam shame that President Trump's idea for Tremendous Health Care of higher quality and a lower cost did not go through.

I said they have standards of living that are just as good. I'm not going anywhere and besides that you can't so you are another stupid brainwashed GOP functional a******. They don't want Americans over there, they think they are assholes like you LOL. Every other developed country has happier people than we have thanks to the GOP. And Dupes like you.I'm glad you are doing well, I hope some of the many people not doing well don't shoot you during the burglary. What a mess..

Why can't you go over there? Don't they have open borders? Sure they do- I remember all the refugees coming into Europe from the middle East.

Just say your are a jihadi, they'll let you right in.

No they have ID cards so they don't have illegal aliens. Thanks to the Syrian War they did take in 7 million refugees. Well we took in like ten thousand and we made the problem. And then you assholes complain about how they don't contribute to nato LOL. For one thing that is wrong anyway. Now you brain was morons believe Europe is not helping with Ukraine. actually they are giving two-thirds of the help to the Ukraine. Everything you know is wrong and you're wrecking the country, brainwashed functional morons and of course scumbag GOP Liars ...

 

[OnePercenter]

I enjoy fairness and justice for all Americans, not just the greedy idiot GOP rich who have brainwashed you.

Even for Christian Conservatives? I digress.

Certainly but I'm not crazy about fundamentalists in any religion....

All religion is a $1.2T bilk.

The separation of church and state in every respect is very important. Fundamentalists are dangerous. Irrational so often.

Lol
No such thing as separation of church and state in the constitution… You better read up buddy

What about article 6?

 

[RealDave]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

You need to learn what universal healthcare means.

No one said Medicate for all is free.

If you say you are broke or an Illegal Alien, is it free then?

If you are poor, then we have programs for that. I don't think that would change.