Rustic
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Personal responsibility dictates life expectancy not some some fucked up socialist entitlement program. LolCandidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost
- Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
- Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
- Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
- Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.
Bullshit:
1. Private insurance has lied to the American people for generations. It has lead to a 33% administration cost to American consumers. Once Americans learn about "hassle free healthcare" - with no copays, no pre-approvals, and no paperwork, they'll love it as much as the rest of the world does. Everything that Americans fear about publically funded healthcare, is a lie.
2. Doctors won't have to deal with insurance companies, either for pre-approvals or payment. They can spend more time with patients. Instead of having to bill 1000 different insurance companies, and having to hire a third party billing and collections company to do his paperwork, his receptionist can handle all of that. The doctor sends out one bill a month and the cheques come like clockwork. As a doctor who has practiced in both countries said, "I made more money in the USA, but I kept more of what I made in Canada. Doctors still make a tremendous amount of money.
3. You can still buy private or semi-private rooms, and full time private nursing, if you can afford it. The wealthy still get better care. My very wealthy friend's family hired 24 hour round the clock nurses when their father was in hospice, and kept him at home, where he died peacefully. No one is concerned about what the wealthy do - they'll always be able to get care. We care about the 99% of people who aren't wealthy and can't otherwise afford care.
4. Every other first world nation in the world manages to do this. What you're saying is that Americans are too stupid to see the sanity and cost savings in single payer. I happen to think Americans are smarter that you do.
1) You are simply misinformed. The wait times are a real issue and would be exponentially worse in the US, particularly if the Democrats continue to decide to provide healthcare to whoever decides to walk across our border. That is pure idiocy.
2) Doctors don't worry about the administrative cost anyway unless they work for themselves, which is the minority. Doctors will not keep more of what they make because, on top of getting rid of private healthcare, they also want to raise taxes on the wealthy. Guess who falls into that category.
3) Do you think it is fair that those who pay into healthcare via tax don't deserve to get more out of it in terms of frills(private rooms, etc? It is ok with you for a person who has not paid much if any into the system gets the same luxuries as a person who makes 500k/yr? Forget the quality of care, I am ok with all having the same, but the frills should be reserved for those that paid for them. I have a serious problem with paying a large portion of my taxes towards healthcare and sharing my room with, for example, an illegal immigrant(or a US citizen) who has paid none or MUCH less. I should be in a private room with a TV and they should be sharing a room with no frills. The same care, no-frills for those who haven't paid.
4) America has the best healthcare in the world in terms of quality. Don't buy into the hype about other countries. That is a huge load of crap. There is a reason the US is at the forefront of medical and pharmaceutical innovations and it has everything to do with Capitalism and competition. This will be severaly hampered by single payer.
Yes, there are waiting lists and they are on a triage basis. My friend and I both need knee replacement surgery. I started the process 6 months ago, and I'm on the waiting list for surgery. I can walk unassisted, and my pain is easily managed. My friend started the process 1 month ago, and is getting her surgery date this week. She can't walk without a walker, and is on opiods for the pain. She isn't on any waiting list.
There are frills for those who pay for them. Rich people in Canada have a much higher level of service available to them. Private and semi-private rooms are an additional charge, unless medically mandated. When my daughter was born, I had supplemental health insurance which paid for a semi-private room. OHIP pays for a ward, only. TV's are extra - for everyone, unless you're ambulatory and can go to the common room. There's also a charge for WIFI, although you can generally sweet talk some staff into giving you the password.
America does NOT have anywhere close to the best healthcare in the world. I'm not buying into the hype from other countries, I'm living the hype in other countries. If you have the best healthcare in the world, why is your life expectancy declining while all of the countries with government funded universal health care are seeing our life expectancy increasing?
Well then I guess those of us who live in countries with government funded healthcare aren't nearly the apathetic socialist parasites that you claim all socialists are by nature. Not only are we doing healthcare BETTER than the USA, but we're doing it cheaper - much, much cheaper - just over half the cost of American healthcare. And by "we", I'm talking about the entire first world. 35 first world countries have better, cheaper healthcare. And that's universal health care.
You're prepared to pay twice as much as the rest of the world in perpetuity, just to ensure someone who didn't pay into the system, never gets free treatment. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants is a way of life for Republicans.
Oh, you’re talking nanny state.... No thanksPersonal responsibility dictates life expectancy not some some fucked up socialist entitlement program. LolCandidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost
- Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
- Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
- Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
- Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.
Bullshit:
1. Private insurance has lied to the American people for generations. It has lead to a 33% administration cost to American consumers. Once Americans learn about "hassle free healthcare" - with no copays, no pre-approvals, and no paperwork, they'll love it as much as the rest of the world does. Everything that Americans fear about publically funded healthcare, is a lie.
2. Doctors won't have to deal with insurance companies, either for pre-approvals or payment. They can spend more time with patients. Instead of having to bill 1000 different insurance companies, and having to hire a third party billing and collections company to do his paperwork, his receptionist can handle all of that. The doctor sends out one bill a month and the cheques come like clockwork. As a doctor who has practiced in both countries said, "I made more money in the USA, but I kept more of what I made in Canada. Doctors still make a tremendous amount of money.
3. You can still buy private or semi-private rooms, and full time private nursing, if you can afford it. The wealthy still get better care. My very wealthy friend's family hired 24 hour round the clock nurses when their father was in hospice, and kept him at home, where he died peacefully. No one is concerned about what the wealthy do - they'll always be able to get care. We care about the 99% of people who aren't wealthy and can't otherwise afford care.
4. Every other first world nation in the world manages to do this. What you're saying is that Americans are too stupid to see the sanity and cost savings in single payer. I happen to think Americans are smarter that you do.
1) You are simply misinformed. The wait times are a real issue and would be exponentially worse in the US, particularly if the Democrats continue to decide to provide healthcare to whoever decides to walk across our border. That is pure idiocy.
2) Doctors don't worry about the administrative cost anyway unless they work for themselves, which is the minority. Doctors will not keep more of what they make because, on top of getting rid of private healthcare, they also want to raise taxes on the wealthy. Guess who falls into that category.
3) Do you think it is fair that those who pay into healthcare via tax don't deserve to get more out of it in terms of frills(private rooms, etc? It is ok with you for a person who has not paid much if any into the system gets the same luxuries as a person who makes 500k/yr? Forget the quality of care, I am ok with all having the same, but the frills should be reserved for those that paid for them. I have a serious problem with paying a large portion of my taxes towards healthcare and sharing my room with, for example, an illegal immigrant(or a US citizen) who has paid none or MUCH less. I should be in a private room with a TV and they should be sharing a room with no frills. The same care, no-frills for those who haven't paid.
4) America has the best healthcare in the world in terms of quality. Don't buy into the hype about other countries. That is a huge load of crap. There is a reason the US is at the forefront of medical and pharmaceutical innovations and it has everything to do with Capitalism and competition. This will be severaly hampered by single payer.
Yes, there are waiting lists and they are on a triage basis. My friend and I both need knee replacement surgery. I started the process 6 months ago, and I'm on the waiting list for surgery. I can walk unassisted, and my pain is easily managed. My friend started the process 1 month ago, and is getting her surgery date this week. She can't walk without a walker, and is on opiods for the pain. She isn't on any waiting list.
There are frills for those who pay for them. Rich people in Canada have a much higher level of service available to them. Private and semi-private rooms are an additional charge, unless medically mandated. When my daughter was born, I had supplemental health insurance which paid for a semi-private room. OHIP pays for a ward, only. TV's are extra - for everyone, unless you're ambulatory and can go to the common room. There's also a charge for WIFI, although you can generally sweet talk some staff into giving you the password.
America does NOT have anywhere close to the best healthcare in the world. I'm not buying into the hype from other countries, I'm living the hype in other countries. If you have the best healthcare in the world, why is your life expectancy declining while all of the countries with government funded universal health care are seeing our life expectancy increasing?
Well then I guess those of us who live in countries with government funded healthcare aren't nearly the apathetic socialist parasites that you claim all socialists are by nature. Not only are we doing healthcare BETTER than the USA, but we're doing it cheaper - much, much cheaper - just over half the cost of American healthcare. And by "we", I'm talking about the entire first world. 35 first world countries have better, cheaper healthcare. And that's universal health care.
You're prepared to pay twice as much as the rest of the world in perpetuity, just to ensure someone who didn't pay into the system, never gets free treatment. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants is a way of life for Republicans.
