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And??My citation was from the Trump white house website (archived)
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And??My citation was from the Trump white house website (archived)
The government often makes classification errors. Or even classifies documents previously unclassified, when they realize that the classified origin can be worked out from the commonality of the unclassified information.
Think of our breaking the WWII Enigma code, where even if we knew of minor upcoming Germany attacks, they wouldn't warn the troops, because it would give away that we broke the code.
The process is that which concludes with the actual final manifestation of what was ordered.
Such a for a pardon, it means the pardon is actually delivered to the person being pardoned.
For commissions, it means the actual commissioning paper being delivered to the person commissioned.
For declassification it would mean the documents being stamped and signed "declassified" on a date certain and the identity of the declassifying authority.
Yes, I know. We all know you aren't cognitively capable of understanding policy/procedure/rule of law/ our national security. Nor do you care.
No more than a president can issue a pardon or a commission by just saying so.
The process is that which concludes with the actual final manifestation of what was ordered.
Such a for a pardon, it means the pardon is actually delivered to the person being pardoned.
For commissions, it means the actual commissioning paper being delivered to the person commissioned.
For declassification it would mean the documents being stamped and signed "declassified" on a date certain and the identity of the declassifying authority.
Absolute BULLSHIT
Presidents can "access" any of those documents. They aren't allowed to keep any originals. They're covered by the presidential records act. They can make copies of "unclassified" records. And view classified documents at a secure location.
The heart of the Clinton email scandal is that because the emails were not properly marked, no "intent" could be shown.
And intent would be required to convict on the charge.
Hillary never took any documentsSo you're actually denying Hillary even took secret/top secret documents? They were "mismarked" and she knew that, even though she claimed she didn't know what the markings meant.
So you believe Biden didn't abandon anyone in Afghanistan, the southern border is secure and the DNC loves cops and visa versa, LOL. You're a totalitarian's dream since when you win you'll have no more freedom than I do
You are a liar. 58 email chains with different levels of classified documents that were marked at the time.Hillary never took any documents
They were unmarked emails that were sent to her
So this shouldn't be an issue then, with Trump.The government often makes classification errors. Or even classifies documents previously unclassified, when they realize that the classified origin can be worked out from the commonality of the unclassified information.
Were they declassified?Not if they were declassified;
You've "been informed"........OK.I've been informed that if they were declassified, Trump has no responsibility to mark them as otherwise.
Prove it.He IS the executive branch. If he determines that some classified document needs to be declassified, his say so suffices.
Again, the President hasn’t stolen anything just because he has simple physical possession of them.
Prove...prove...prove......it's up to DOJ, and not anyone else.Were they declassified?
When?
Who knew?
How would anybody know if he told no one.
Are they really 'de-classified' if DonT suspected that he was in deep feces when the FBI said they found 'em in MarALago......and he decided to 'de-classify' 'em on the spot?
In short, without a trail for the purported 'de-classification'......it is hard, very hard, to lend credibility to someone who has been reported to have "fibbed" over 30,000 times in a short period of time.
No?
In short, the message to DonT is: If you really de-classified 'em, partner.......then prove it. Show us the paper trail. After all, they ARE paper.
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You've "been informed"........OK.
Who informed you?
What are their bona fides?
Show us.
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Prove it.
Prove that that is what actually happened to all of these restricted documents that the DOJ says were taken and kept without authorization (illegally?)
Prove he said they were 'de-classified' prior to being asked to return them.
Prove he said they were ...... prior to the subpoena for their return.
Prove he said they were......before the search in early August.
If no paper trail or testimony by a second party......it didn't happen.
And if it is true he was not authorized to have any of the documents....regardless of classification.....well then, the doodoo he jumped in is still deep.
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Defying a subpoena indicates otherwise.
Fibbing about what he had and what he had returned........indicates otherwise. Why lie?
Hell, the fact that a subpoena was even required for their return indicates that his possession was illegal.
Duh!
There's one reason I don't chime in with an opinion...Were they declassified?
When?
Who knew?
How would anybody know if he told no one.
Are they really 'de-classified' if DonT suspected that he was in deep feces when the FBI said they found 'em in MarALago......and he decided to 'de-classify' 'em on the spot?
In short, without a trail for the purported 'de-classification'......it is hard, very hard, to lend credibility to someone who has been reported to have "fibbed" over 30,000 times in a short period of time.
No?
In short, the message to DonT is: If you really de-classified 'em, partner.......then prove it. Show us the paper trail. After all, they ARE paper.
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You've "been informed"........OK.
Who informed you?
What are their bona fides?
Show us.
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Prove it.
Prove that that is what actually happened to all of these restricted documents that the DOJ says were taken and kept without authorization (illegally?)
Prove he said they were 'de-classified' prior to being asked to return them.
Prove he said they were ...... prior to the subpoena for their return.
Prove he said they were......before the search in early August.
If no paper trail or testimony by a second party......it didn't happen.
And if it is true he was not authorized to have any of the documents....regardless of classification.....well then, the doodoo he jumped in is still deep.
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Defying a subpoena indicates otherwise.
Fibbing about what he had and what he had returned........indicates otherwise. Why lie?
Hell, the fact that a subpoena was even required for their return indicates that his possession was illegal.
Duh!
LibTards have very bad tempers.Prove...prove...prove......it's up to DOJ, and not anyone else.
Yes.Were they declassified?
When the President said so.When?
He did. Others did too.Who knew?
That’s your claim. You can’t support it.How would anybody know if he told no one.
Are they really 'de-classified' if DonT suspected that he was in deep feces when the FBI said they found 'em in MarALago......and he decided to 'de-classify' 'em on the spot?
You wouldn’t believe it if it was videotaped.In short, without a trail for the purported 'de-classification'......it is hard, very hard, to lend credibility to someone who has been reported to have "fibbed" over 30,000 times in a short period of time.
Generally agreed. But again, we do know what Kash Patel stated and has reiterated. And Trump himself said so, too. I also don’t give a hoot if Bolton didn’t hear about it. (I didn’t hear anyone conspire to assassinate JFK, either; but he’s still dead.)There's one reason I don't chime in with an opinion...
WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YET
Wrong. Subpoenas don’t “establish” that possession is “illegal.” For that matter, neither do search warrants.Hell, the fact that a subpoena was even required for their return indicates that his possession was illegal.
Duh!
I wonder if Chilliconcrap realizes that he’s now just repeating himself?Who did Don Trump tell he was de-classifying which documents?
When did he tell them?
How do we know?
Will those who he says he told......testify under oath?
What documentary evidence exists that they were, in fact, legally 'de-classified'.
If he was unauthorized to have any documents....how much does classification matter?
And if he defied a subpoena for their return......doesn't that, in itself, make his possession of them illegal?
Count me as a skeptic that DonT did this document caper on the up and up.
If he was illegal....indict him.
No man is above the law.![]()