Uri Avnery: The Jews and Ukraine

The Soviets killed their share of the Jews, so their claims today looking out for the Jews is laughable. They are using it as cover for their evil actions enslaving the Jews and every other Ukrainian...in Ukraine.

It would be as if Mexico sent into their criminals, special forces and spies into Texas to "protect" Mexicans while claiming they are also there to protect blacks from the KKK....when in reality they intend on making Texas a part of Mexico and forcing blacks and whites there to move or become Mexicans.
What Soviets are you hallucinating.
The US conspired with neo-Nazis in Ukraine to topple a corrupt, yet duly elected president.
The resulting regime change produced an illegitimate government that is now threatening to go to war against its own population. Had Putin used compliant politicians and thugs in Mexico in the same way, Fort Hood would be half-way to Yucatan by now, and I'm guessing you would be flapping the flag for that, as well.

BTW, what do you know about JSOC in eastern Ukraine at this very moment?

For most of us, all we can do is follow this situation in the news. The ones whom this has really affected are those Russians in the area and those Russians who have immigrated to other parts of the world but still have friends and relatives for whom they worry with regard to what is happening.

Ukraine Forces Blockade Rebel-Held City

Ukraine separatists hunker down and hope Putin will come to their aid - latimes.com

Of course Comrade Jews is entitled to give his own opinion, but strange how he wasn't interested in anything going on in Europe until he could drag his favorite scapegoats, the Jews, into the mix. Apparently the author of this piece has a different take on the situation.

Putin's Ukraine incursion brings back the bad old bear - latimes.com
 
The Soviets killed their share of the Jews, so their claims today looking out for the Jews is laughable. They are using it as cover for their evil actions enslaving the Jews and every other Ukrainian...in Ukraine.

It would be as if Mexico sent into their criminals, special forces and spies into Texas to "protect" Mexicans while claiming they are also there to protect blacks from the KKK....when in reality they intend on making Texas a part of Mexico and forcing blacks and whites there to move or become Mexicans.
What Soviets are you hallucinating.
The US conspired with neo-Nazis in Ukraine to topple a corrupt, yet duly elected president.
The resulting regime change produced an illegitimate government that is now threatening to go to war against its own population. Had Putin used compliant politicians and thugs in Mexico in the same way, Fort Hood would be half-way to Yucatan by now, and I'm guessing you would be flapping the flag for that, as well.

BTW, what do you know about JSOC in eastern Ukraine at this very moment?

For most of us, all we can do is follow this situation in the news. The ones whom this has really affected are those Russians in the area and those Russians who have immigrated to other parts of the world but still have friends and relatives for whom they worry with regard to what is happening.

Ukraine Forces Blockade Rebel-Held City

Ukraine separatists hunker down and hope Putin will come to their aid - latimes.com

Of course Comrade Jews is entitled to give his own opinion, but strange how he wasn't interested in anything going on in Europe until he could drag his favorite scapegoats, the Jews, into the mix. Apparently the author of this piece has a different take on the situation.

Putin's Ukraine incursion brings back the bad old bear - latimes.com
You should broaden your reading list until you find a source that admits neo-Nazis were at the forefront of the recent coup in Kiev, and US diplomats were overheard picking the next Prime Minister (Yikes...it's Yats, remember) As far as the LA Times is concerned, I remember when they thought there were WMDs in Iraq, and Ho Chi Minh was the enemy in Vietnam.
 
What Soviets are you hallucinating.
The US conspired with neo-Nazis in Ukraine to topple a corrupt, yet duly elected president.
The resulting regime change produced an illegitimate government that is now threatening to go to war against its own population. Had Putin used compliant politicians and thugs in Mexico in the same way, Fort Hood would be half-way to Yucatan by now, and I'm guessing you would be flapping the flag for that, as well.

BTW, what do you know about JSOC in eastern Ukraine at this very moment?

For most of us, all we can do is follow this situation in the news. The ones whom this has really affected are those Russians in the area and those Russians who have immigrated to other parts of the world but still have friends and relatives for whom they worry with regard to what is happening.

Ukraine Forces Blockade Rebel-Held City

Ukraine separatists hunker down and hope Putin will come to their aid - latimes.com

Of course Comrade Jews is entitled to give his own opinion, but strange how he wasn't interested in anything going on in Europe until he could drag his favorite scapegoats, the Jews, into the mix. Apparently the author of this piece has a different take on the situation.

Putin's Ukraine incursion brings back the bad old bear - latimes.com
You should broaden your reading list until you find a source that admits neo-Nazis were at the forefront of the recent coup in Kiev, and US diplomats were overheard picking the next Prime Minister (Yikes...it's Yats, remember) As far as the LA Times is concerned, I remember when they thought there were WMDs in Iraq, and Ho Chi Minh was the enemy in Vietnam.


Give it a rest, you little Commie. I think most readers realize why you dragged up the Ukraine and never have had anything else to say on the Europe forum when so much is going on in Europe. It appears you only want to blabber about the Ukrain now. What goes on in Germany doesn't interest you. What goes on in Great Britain doesn't interest you. What goes on in France doesn't interest you? Etc., etc. However, initially you wanted to blame the entire situation in the Ukraine on the Jews as if nobody else lived in the Ukraine but the Jews and some Russian people. In fact, be honest with the readers here and tell them where you originally posted this article (before it was moved) because you couldn't restrain yourself from dragging in your favorite scapegoats, the Jews.
 
For most of us, all we can do is follow this situation in the news. The ones whom this has really affected are those Russians in the area and those Russians who have immigrated to other parts of the world but still have friends and relatives for whom they worry with regard to what is happening.

Ukraine Forces Blockade Rebel-Held City

Ukraine separatists hunker down and hope Putin will come to their aid - latimes.com

Of course Comrade Jews is entitled to give his own opinion, but strange how he wasn't interested in anything going on in Europe until he could drag his favorite scapegoats, the Jews, into the mix. Apparently the author of this piece has a different take on the situation.

Putin's Ukraine incursion brings back the bad old bear - latimes.com
You should broaden your reading list until you find a source that admits neo-Nazis were at the forefront of the recent coup in Kiev, and US diplomats were overheard picking the next Prime Minister (Yikes...it's Yats, remember) As far as the LA Times is concerned, I remember when they thought there were WMDs in Iraq, and Ho Chi Minh was the enemy in Vietnam.


Give it a rest, you little Commie. I think most readers realize why you dragged up the Ukraine and never have had anything else to say on the Europe forum when so much is going on in Europe. It appears you only want to blabber about the Ukrain now. What goes on in Germany doesn't interest you. What goes on in Great Britain doesn't interest you. What goes on in France doesn't interest you? Etc., etc. However, initially you wanted to blame the entire situation in the Ukraine on the Jews as if nobody else lived in the Ukraine but the Jews and some Russian people. In fact, be honest with the readers here and tell them where you originally posted this article (before it was moved) because you couldn't restrain yourself from dragging in your favorite scapegoats, the Jews.
Yikes...Yats is starting World War 3 and you're blaming me?

"EV, April 25 (Reuters) - Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk accused Russia on Friday of wanting to start World War Three by occupying Ukraine 'militarily and politically'".

Arseny Yatseniuk, Ukraine Prime Minister, Says Russia Wants To Start World War III By Occupying Ukraine

Get a life, Loser.
 
You should broaden your reading list until you find a source that admits neo-Nazis were at the forefront of the recent coup in Kiev, and US diplomats were overheard picking the next Prime Minister (Yikes...it's Yats, remember) As far as the LA Times is concerned, I remember when they thought there were WMDs in Iraq, and Ho Chi Minh was the enemy in Vietnam.


Give it a rest, you little Commie. I think most readers realize why you dragged up the Ukraine and never have had anything else to say on the Europe forum when so much is going on in Europe. It appears you only want to blabber about the Ukrain now. What goes on in Germany doesn't interest you. What goes on in Great Britain doesn't interest you. What goes on in France doesn't interest you? Etc., etc. However, initially you wanted to blame the entire situation in the Ukraine on the Jews as if nobody else lived in the Ukraine but the Jews and some Russian people. In fact, be honest with the readers here and tell them where you originally posted this article (before it was moved) because you couldn't restrain yourself from dragging in your favorite scapegoats, the Jews.

Yikes...Yats is starting World War 3 and you're blaming me?

"EV, April 25 (Reuters) - Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk accused Russia on Friday of wanting to start World War Three by occupying Ukraine 'militarily and politically'".

Arseny Yatseniuk, Ukraine Prime Minister, Says Russia Wants To Start World War III By Occupying Ukraine

Get a life, Loser.

How about you get a life, loser I wasn't the one whining about the loss of food stamps like you did on a forum? Still not going to tell the readers why you pulled up this article in the first place and why it was moved?

Meanwhile, the latest news I have read about the Ukraine is the following:

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-ukraine-captives-new-conference-2

Eastern Ukraine mayor shot in back amid escalating crisis - latimes.com

Romanian Military Units Moving Towards Ukrainian Border | Eurasia Review
 
You are mentally retarded and mentally deranged with your bullshit.

Stalin makes Hitler's mass murder look childish.

The Soviets killed their share of the Jews, so their claims today looking out for the Jews is laughable. They are using it as cover for their evil actions enslaving the Jews and every other Ukrainian...in Ukraine.

It would be as if Mexico sent into their criminals, special forces and spies into Texas to "protect" Mexicans while claiming they are also there to protect blacks from the KKK....when in reality they intend on making Texas a part of Mexico and forcing blacks and whites there to move or become Mexicans.
What Soviets are you hallucinating.
The US conspired with neo-Nazis in Ukraine to topple a corrupt, yet duly elected president.
The resulting regime change produced an illegitimate government that is now threatening to go to war against its own population. Had Putin used compliant politicians and thugs in Mexico in the same way, Fort Hood would be half-way to Yucatan by now, and I'm guessing you would be flapping the flag for that, as well.

BTW, what do you know about JSOC in eastern Ukraine at this very moment?
 
"WASHINGTON—The U.S. and Europe imposed sanctions on a slate of new Russian government officials and business entities in an effort to pressure President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian allies to cease their military activity in eastern Ukraine.

"But the West's action, which was initially expected more than a week ago, fell significantly short of the expansive sanctions Kiev's government and many members of Congress have been demanding."

U.S., Europe Impose New Sanctions on Russia - WSJ.com
 
"WASHINGTON—The U.S. and Europe imposed sanctions on a slate of new Russian government officials and business entities in an effort to pressure President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian allies to cease their military activity in eastern Ukraine.

"But the West's action, which was initially expected more than a week ago, fell significantly short of the expansive sanctions Kiev's government and many members of Congress have been demanding."

U.S., Europe Impose New Sanctions on Russia - WSJ.com

And now for some further news.

Poll: Americans want more sanctions on Russia, no arms for Ukraine - latimes.com

Ukraine-Slovakia gas deal is first step out of dependence on Russia - latimes.com
 
The Soviets killed their share of the Jews, so their claims today looking out for the Jews is laughable. They are using it as cover for their evil actions enslaving the Jews and every other Ukrainian...in Ukraine.

It would be as if Mexico sent into their criminals, special forces and spies into Texas to "protect" Mexicans while claiming they are also there to protect blacks from the KKK....when in reality they intend on making Texas a part of Mexico and forcing blacks and whites there to move or become Mexicans.

Hi 1776,as a note, maybe the Mexicans are claiming back the THIRD of their TERRITORY the Americans took from them in the FIRST place,just saying.steve:D
 
How many Jews lived in Palestine in 1890?
How much wheat did Jews produce without Arab labor?
What percentage of Jews supported Zionism at that time?

Don't be a fool, Comrade George. It is quite obvious to anyone who has a head on their shoulders that you and Stevie are using these Arabs as pawns. If you two truly cared about the Arabs (and we know that the Arab world is much, much larger than that tiny dot that is Israel), you would also be posting about what is happening to the innocent Arabvs (both Christians and Muslims) who are being murdered in this vast Arab world. That you are silent about these unfortunate Arabs tells an awful lot about you. You and Stevie have never posted anything that has been happening in the vast Arab world -- nothing about Egypt, nothing about Syria, nothing about Yemen, etc. You two are only focused on one thing and certainly don't care what atrocities the innocent Arabs have been facing in the Arab world in general.
What was the ratio of Jew to Arab living in Palestine in 1890?


1890..Arabs in Palestine,Muslim,Christian,Druze.......600,000 appox some say up to 750,000.

1890..Jews in Palestine.....42,000.

By 1948....with massive illegal Zionist/Jewish migration....1.350,000 ARABS..650.000 JEWS
 
Don't be a fool, Comrade George. It is quite obvious to anyone who has a head on their shoulders that you and Stevie are using these Arabs as pawns. If you two truly cared about the Arabs (and we know that the Arab world is much, much larger than that tiny dot that is Israel), you would also be posting about what is happening to the innocent Arabvs (both Christians and Muslims) who are being murdered in this vast Arab world. That you are silent about these unfortunate Arabs tells an awful lot about you. You and Stevie have never posted anything that has been happening in the vast Arab world -- nothing about Egypt, nothing about Syria, nothing about Yemen, etc. You two are only focused on one thing and certainly don't care what atrocities the innocent Arabs have been facing in the Arab world in general.
What was the ratio of Jew to Arab living in Palestine in 1890?


1890..Arabs in Palestine,Muslim,Christian,Druze.......600,000 appox some say up to 750,000.

1890..Jews in Palestine.....42,000.

By 1948....with massive illegal Zionist/Jewish migration....1.350,000 ARABS..650.000 JEWS

Poor Stevie, just like Comrade George, he is obsessed with the Jews. Can you tell us, Stevie, what this has to do with the Europe forum. If you want to make it a Middle East forum, why not talk about the tens of thousands who have been murdered by Muslims just in the last three years in Syria. You can also add in those who have been murdered by suicide bombers in places like Iraq. Say, Stevie, since you are such an expert on population, can you tell us the number of Muslim immigrants to your country in recent years?
 
The Soviets killed their share of the Jews, so their claims today looking out for the Jews is laughable. They are using it as cover for their evil actions enslaving the Jews and every other Ukrainian...in Ukraine.

It would be as if Mexico sent into their criminals, special forces and spies into Texas to "protect" Mexicans while claiming they are also there to protect blacks from the KKK....when in reality they intend on making Texas a part of Mexico and forcing blacks and whites there to move or become Mexicans.

Hi 1776,as a note, maybe the Mexicans are claiming back the THIRD of their TERRITORY the Americans took from them in the FIRST place,just saying.steve:D

Perhaps the indigenous people of Australia would like to make claim of their land. After all, they were there first.
 
The Soviets killed their share of the Jews, so their claims today looking out for the Jews is laughable. They are using it as cover for their evil actions enslaving the Jews and every other Ukrainian...in Ukraine.

It would be as if Mexico sent into their criminals, special forces and spies into Texas to "protect" Mexicans while claiming they are also there to protect blacks from the KKK....when in reality they intend on making Texas a part of Mexico and forcing blacks and whites there to move or become Mexicans.

Hi 1776,as a note, maybe the Mexicans are claiming back the THIRD of their TERRITORY the Americans took from them in the FIRST place,just saying.steve:D

Perhaps the indigenous people of Australia would like to make claim of their land. After all, they were there first.

True,but if you were half up to speed you would know that vast tracts of land(40% of the total land mass of Australia) have been returned to the original Aboriginal owners of Australia...You Fool.

Time Israel and the US returned theirs........????? Sal when you TRY to take me on...remember I have ALL THE ANSWERS.......dealing with YOU is like TAKING CANDY OFF A CHILD......if I was like that of course.see you around,when you have thought up more Bullshit for me to laugh at.:smiliehug:

I deal in FACTS.....NOT BULLSHIT
 
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What was the ratio of Jew to Arab living in Palestine in 1890?


1890..Arabs in Palestine,Muslim,Christian,Druze.......600,000 appox some say up to 750,000.

1890..Jews in Palestine.....42,000.

By 1948....with massive illegal Zionist/Jewish migration....1.350,000 ARABS..650.000 JEWS

Poor Stevie, just like Comrade George, he is obsessed with the Jews. Can you tell us, Stevie, what this has to do with the Europe forum. If you want to make it a Middle East forum, why not talk about the tens of thousands who have been murdered by Muslims just in the last three years in Syria. You can also add in those who have been murdered by suicide bombers in places like Iraq. Say, Stevie, since you are such an expert on population, can you tell us the number of Muslim immigrants to your country in recent years?

Don't be silly Sal.......Muslims in Australia.....476,291 or 2.2% of the Population......a growth of 438% since 1981

I DEAL IN FACTS, NOT BULLSHIT
 
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What was the ratio of Jew to Arab living in Palestine in 1890?


1890..Arabs in Palestine,Muslim,Christian,Druze.......600,000 appox some say up to 750,000.

1890..Jews in Palestine.....42,000.

By 1948....with massive illegal Zionist/Jewish migration....1.350,000 ARABS..650.000 JEWS

Poor Stevie, just like Comrade George, he is obsessed with the Jews. Can you tell us, Stevie, what this has to do with the Europe forum. If you want to make it a Middle East forum, why not talk about the tens of thousands who have been murdered by Muslims just in the last three years in Syria. You can also add in those who have been murdered by suicide bombers in places like Iraq. Say, Stevie, since you are such an expert on population, can you tell us the number of Muslim immigrants to your country in recent years?

On one hand you say I am obsessed with Jews..Palestinians to a Degree..Jews NOT REALLY.

Then YOU say what has this to do with the EUROPE FORUM(YOU SAID IT??)

Then YOU WANT ME TO TALK OF THE SYRIAN AND IRAQI DEAD!!!!!!!!(WHAT IS THAT TO DO WITH EUROPE???????YOU SAID IT>


THEN YOU ASK ABOUT AUSTRALIA....ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!steve
 
1890..Arabs in Palestine,Muslim,Christian,Druze.......600,000 appox some say up to 750,000.

1890..Jews in Palestine.....42,000.

By 1948....with massive illegal Zionist/Jewish migration....1.350,000 ARABS..650.000 JEWS

Poor Stevie, just like Comrade George, he is obsessed with the Jews. Can you tell us, Stevie, what this has to do with the Europe forum. If you want to make it a Middle East forum, why not talk about the tens of thousands who have been murdered by Muslims just in the last three years in Syria. You can also add in those who have been murdered by suicide bombers in places like Iraq. Say, Stevie, since you are such an expert on population, can you tell us the number of Muslim immigrants to your country in recent years?

On one hand you say I am obsessed with Jews..Palestinians to a Degree..Jews NOT REALLY.

Then YOU say what has this to do with the EUROPE FORUM(YOU SAID IT??)

Then YOU WANT ME TO TALK OF THE SYRIAN AND IRAQI DEAD!!!!!!!!(WHAT IS THAT TO DO WITH EUROPE???????YOU SAID IT>


THEN YOU ASK ABOUT AUSTRALIA....ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!steve

Just whom do you think you are kidding, Stevie? The Middle East is a huge place, and all you ever want to talk about is Israel when so much is happening there in other countries. If ytou are going to drag Israel onto the Europe forum, why are you so silent about what is happening in the rest of the Middle East? Why don't you talk about Australia where you live? Are you trying to tell us that nothing ever happens there, and everything is just peaches and cream?
 
1890..Arabs in Palestine,Muslim,Christian,Druze.......600,000 appox some say up to 750,000.

1890..Jews in Palestine.....42,000.

By 1948....with massive illegal Zionist/Jewish migration....1.350,000 ARABS..650.000 JEWS

Poor Stevie, just like Comrade George, he is obsessed with the Jews. Can you tell us, Stevie, what this has to do with the Europe forum. If you want to make it a Middle East forum, why not talk about the tens of thousands who have been murdered by Muslims just in the last three years in Syria. You can also add in those who have been murdered by suicide bombers in places like Iraq. Say, Stevie, since you are such an expert on population, can you tell us the number of Muslim immigrants to your country in recent years?

Don't be silly Sal.......Muslims in Australia.....476,291 or 2.2% of the Population......a growth of 438% since 1981

I DEAL IN FACTS, NOT BULLSHIT

But, Stevie, you are getting many more Shia Muslims there since that is their destination after getting tired of the Sunni suicide and car bombing them in Pakistan. Tell you what -- get over your obsession with Israel if you can't also delve into what is happening in the rest of the Middle East and concentrate on your own country.
 
Don't be a fool, Comrade George. It is quite obvious to anyone who has a head on their shoulders that you and Stevie are using these Arabs as pawns. If you two truly cared about the Arabs (and we know that the Arab world is much, much larger than that tiny dot that is Israel), you would also be posting about what is happening to the innocent Arabvs (both Christians and Muslims) who are being murdered in this vast Arab world. That you are silent about these unfortunate Arabs tells an awful lot about you. You and Stevie have never posted anything that has been happening in the vast Arab world -- nothing about Egypt, nothing about Syria, nothing about Yemen, etc. You two are only focused on one thing and certainly don't care what atrocities the innocent Arabs have been facing in the Arab world in general.
What was the ratio of Jew to Arab living in Palestine in 1890?


1890..Arabs in Palestine,Muslim,Christian,Druze.......600,000 appox some say up to 750,000.

1890..Jews in Palestine.....42,000.

By 1948....with massive illegal Zionist/Jewish migration....1.350,000 ARABS..650.000 JEWS
A massive illegal migration that was only possible because of English bayonets and English investment that went 90% to Jewish capital in Palestine. I'm sure it was mere coincidence the Royal Navy had just switched from coal to oil to power its fleets:eek:
 
What was the ratio of Jew to Arab living in Palestine in 1890?


1890..Arabs in Palestine,Muslim,Christian,Druze.......600,000 appox some say up to 750,000.

1890..Jews in Palestine.....42,000.

By 1948....with massive illegal Zionist/Jewish migration....1.350,000 ARABS..650.000 JEWS
A massive illegal migration that was only possible because of English bayonets and English investment that went 90% to Jewish capital in Palestine. I'm sure it was mere coincidence the Royal Navy had just switched from coal to oil to power its fleets:eek:

Amazing how obsessed the two of these are when it comes to Israel that they have to blabber about it on the Europe forum. Meanwhile, if they are going to drag a country that is situated in the Middle East into this Europe forum, they can also tell us what is happening in the rest of the Middle East where innocent people are being murdered in enormous amounts. Could it be that they are not interested in that because they don't want to make those killing these innocent people their scapegoats also. The hilarious thing is that these two are faking it about caring for the "Palestinian Arabs." They use them as their pawns. If they really cared about Arabs, they certainly would be raising their voices about the innocent Arabs (both Christians and Muslims) being murdered in the other Middle East countries.
 
A Jew who's lived longer than the Jewish state expresses his thoughts on the complicated relationship between his nation and Ukraine:

"In my lifetime, Stalin murdered millions of Ukrainians by deliberate starvation.

"As a result, most Ukrainians welcomed the German Wehrmacht in 1941 as liberators.

"It could have been the beginning of a beautiful friendship, but unfortunately Hitler was determined to eradicate the Ukrainian 'Untermenschen', in order to integrate the Ukraine into the German Lebensraum.

"THE RELATIONSHIP between Ukraine and the Jews is no less complicated.

"Some Jewish writers, like Arthur Koestler and Shlomo Sand, believe that the Khazar empire that ruled the Crimea and neighboring territory a thousand years ago, converted to Judaism, and that most Ashkenazi Jews are descended from them.

"This would turn us all into Ukrainians. (Many early Zionist leaders indeed came from Ukraine.)

"When Ukraine was a part of the extensive Polish empire, many Polish noblemen took hold of large estates there.

"They employed Jews as their managers.

"Thus the Ukrainian peasants came to look upon the Jews as the agents of their oppressors, and anti-Semitism became part of the national culture of Ukraine.

"As we learned in school, at every turn of Ukrainian history, the Jews were slaughtered. The names of most Ukrainian folk-heroes, leaders and rebels who are revered in their homeland are, in Jewish consciousness, connected with awful pogroms.

Not unlike the new coalition government in Kiev that relied on Neo-Nazi snipers to drive a corrupt, duly elected president from office, BTW.

Israel and Ukraine » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Comrade George thinks his fellow Commies in Russia have been and still are as pure as the driven snow. If Comrade George had his way, the Jews in the Ukraine would undergo pogrom after pogrom until the Jews, his fellow scapegoats (either by his fellow Commies or the NeoNazis), were all eliminated there.

Ukraine?s anti-Semitism: Real and not new | Opinion | Jewish Journal
 

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