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Heh it isn't an income tax thread until someone carts out this chestnut.The Sixteenth Amendment ought to be repealed although the same was not actually ratified.
Come on dude, I've seen your postings. No way you have wage that attracts much garnishing.fund their Big Government Tyranny (internally and externally) by garnishing our wages.
As a government supremacist/socialist you will always claim that the government version is the correct one.
More accurately, I recognize the authority to make such decisions. The ruling of the Secretary of State is authoritative. The ruling of the USSC is authoritative.
Bill Benson isn't. Thus, his opinions carry no legal weight. And the findings of the Secretary of State and USSC carry plenty. As the passage of the 16th amendment is a legal question, the issue is resolved.
The Documents submitted by Mr. Benson were CERTIFIED by each of the 50 states. So I have no idea what you mean by "far more credible" - probably just a pretext to side with the powers that be.
Um, why would Mr. Benson have documents certified from States....that didn't exist when the 16th amendment was ratified? And its not the States that are insisting the 16th amendment wasn't ratified. It is Mr. Benson.
Is Mr. Benson an American?
Is the Constitution ours?
Does he have a right to access Article III Courts to have his grievances redressed?
More than likely the reason the States have not objected is because the War of Northern Aggression and the so-called seventeenth Amendment have weakened them.
Other Patriotic Americans have used Mr. Benson's documents to no avail. Article III Courts have been abolished - the impostors sitting on the federal bench have sworn to support and defend the welfare/warfare state. They claim that whether or not the sixteenth amendment was adopted is a "political question" .They have threatened to punish any Patriot who raises the argument. So Mr Benson had no choice since the impostors have taken upon themselves to limit defenses.
Income tax pays the government's bills. Do you want sky rocketing debt and an unstable system?Every time I find a new angle in which imperial cultural marxists have wrought destruction upon this nation, I realize that it's the 16th Amendment that gives them the funding to carry out their treason against the Constitution of the United States. From the welfare state (democrats) to the imperialists (republicans), it seems that both of them fund their Big Government Tyranny (internally and externally) by garnishing our wages.
We pay for the destruction of our own liberties at home and the desolation of foreign nations abroad.
The 16th Amendment is what created the IRS and the income tax.
Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Income tax pays the government's bills. Do you want sky rocketing debt and an unstable system?
Well, if you got rid of income tax... the US would have to cut the military budget by more than half, defund social security, and massively curtail staff numbers and pay.Income tax pays the government's bills. Do you want sky rocketing debt and an unstable system?Every time I find a new angle in which imperial cultural marxists have wrought destruction upon this nation, I realize that it's the 16th Amendment that gives them the funding to carry out their treason against the Constitution of the United States. From the welfare state (democrats) to the imperialists (republicans), it seems that both of them fund their Big Government Tyranny (internally and externally) by garnishing our wages.
We pay for the destruction of our own liberties at home and the desolation of foreign nations abroad.
The 16th Amendment is what created the IRS and the income tax.
Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
The Income Tax is wrong and the IRS as we know it, needs to go. There are better ways to tax and collect taxes. Time to get rid of the IRS. It's a corrupt cancerous bureaucracy at this point.
Income tax pays the government's bills. Do you want sky rocketing debt and an unstable system?
Woah, you mean the debt isn't skyrocketing already?
You're telling me the bankster bailouts were the result of a currently stable economy? WOAH!
“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money
NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, they would remove the existing chains of taxation which now oppresses America‘s free enterprise system and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!
There has never been a prohibition on income tax. It was merely limited by the apportionment clause. The 16th ammendment created no new taxation authority. It simply lifted restrictions on how funds collected via income tax would be spent.
And how does you comment apply to what I posted?
JWK
If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Our Washington Establishment’s Free Cheese Democracy, designed to establish a federal plantation which redistributes wealth that wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.
Easy: the founders never intended income taxes to be forbidden. As they never have been.
You have not answered my question. How does your comment apply to what I posted?
JWK
I've answered twice, both times relevantly. You've insisted that your 'original tax plan' that forbids income tax was what the founders intended.
You're wrong. Income tax has always been constitutional. It has never been forbidden. The 16th amendment didn't create taxation authority. It removed the apportionment clause for income taxes.
So now you invent something I never said and then respond to your own invention.
“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money
NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, they would remove the existing chains of taxation which now oppresses America‘s free enterprise system and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!
johnwk
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USMB POLL Repeal the 16th Amendment Income Tax Page 3 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
You still have not answered my question. How does your comment apply to what I posted?
johnwk just retire your attempt to argue with Skylar. Skylar is a liberal soldier whose probably being paid. Liberals Soldiers are like monkeys, they just keep throwing smelly shit at the wall until you you can't bear the smell anymore.
Even if Skylar were to miraculously concede the point to you (or abandon the thread), he would simply start posting the exact same argument elsewhere on USMB tomorrow.
Move to KansasIncome tax pays the government's bills. Do you want sky rocketing debt and an unstable system?Every time I find a new angle in which imperial cultural marxists have wrought destruction upon this nation, I realize that it's the 16th Amendment that gives them the funding to carry out their treason against the Constitution of the United States. From the welfare state (democrats) to the imperialists (republicans), it seems that both of them fund their Big Government Tyranny (internally and externally) by garnishing our wages.
We pay for the destruction of our own liberties at home and the desolation of foreign nations abroad.
The 16th Amendment is what created the IRS and the income tax.
Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Every time I find a new angle in which imperial cultural marxists have wrought destruction upon this nation, I realize that it's the 16th Amendment that gives them the funding to carry out their treason against the Constitution of the United States. From the welfare state (democrats) to the imperialists (republicans), it seems that both of them fund their Big Government Tyranny (internally and externally) by garnishing our wages.
We pay for the destruction of our own liberties at home and the desolation of foreign nations abroad.
The 16th Amendment is what created the IRS and the income tax.
Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
johnwk just retire your attempt to argue with Skylar. Skylar is a liberal soldier whose probably being paid. Liberals Soldiers are like monkeys, they just keep throwing smelly shit at the wall until you you can't bear the smell anymore.
A flat tax is a much better idea than an income tax. I'm not a huge fan of taxes in general but at least a flat tax would assure that EVERYONE (including freeloaders, deadbeats, beggars, and thieves) contributes to the government coffers anytime and every time someone buys something.
A flat tax is a much better idea than an income tax. I'm not a huge fan of taxes in general but at least a flat tax would assure that EVERYONE (including freeloaders, deadbeats, beggars, and thieves) contributes to the government coffers anytime and every time someone buys something.
So lets pretend that I am ultra rich. And my income is mostly capital gains. And I pay around 15% Federal income taxes.
And you are proposing an increase in the amount of taxes I pay? Why would I, an ultra rich person, support that?
Or does your idea exclude ultra rich people making their money from capital gains?
And a "flat tax" and a "consumption tax" are not one and the same. Which one do you propose?
So now you invent something I never said and then respond to your own invention.
So you never said this?
“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money
NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, they would remove the existing chains of taxation which now oppresses America‘s free enterprise system and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!
johnwk
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USMB POLL Repeal the 16th Amendment Income Tax Page 3 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Because I can go to page 3 of this thread and look right at your post with those exact words as a part of it. So deny making the above statement, and I'll hang you with your denial. Or admit to the statement above, and recognize that you're simply wrong. That income tax has always been constitutional. And that the founders never 'intended' it to be forbidden.
You still have not answered my question. How does your comment apply to what I posted?
Deny posting the quote I offered above. Then we'll talk.
