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i don't blame them, but they don't deserve to keep the cashthen you dont blame the troops,they did this in good faith....I'm not sure anyone is getting screwed here.Of all the people to fuck . . .
Disgusting!
seems like they didn't deserve the bonuses to begin with but someone at the state level was pushing them through fraudulently - screwing over everyone else
it sucks. but that's the way it works. you don't get to keep military overpaymentbut it wasn't the offer. it was fraud.but they weren't eligible for the bonuses. why should they get tens of thousands of dollars while others who did exactly the same thing but didn't accept fraudulent bonuses get nothing?The paper reported that nearly 10,000 soldiers, many of whom risked their lives during multiple combat tours, have been ordered to repay the cash bonuses after audits revealed widespread overpayments by California Guard officials under pressure to meet enlistment targets at the height of the wars 10 years ago.
But soldiers say the military is reneging on old agreements and imposing severe financial hardship on those whose only mistake was to accept the bonuses, which amounted to $15,000 or more.
In this case the soldiers were given an offer to reenlist and they accepted it. That was the terms under which they agreed to additional service
Will the Pentagon offer them back the three years of their lives if they return the money?
Because that was the offer that was on the table
Suppose your boss told you....I'll give you a $15,000 bonus if you work weekends and holidays for the next year
So you work weekends and holidays for a year and then your boss says....Sorry, I wasn't authorized to pay you the $15,000, you have to give it back
You live in California and didn't know about the EPA's plan to hire 15 diversity nazis. Living there doesn't mean you know shit.Hardly...as a vet I know how these things work.......and I live in CA where this is being talked about a lot right now....and I live in the district of one of the Congressmen taking this on...............................and you?I think you're confused. Again.California is not asking for the money back...the DoD is. So, again....I ask you. Why are you going off topic?It shows where California's priorities are.This thread is about our vets being forced to pay back reenlistment bonuses they took in good faith....why are you going off topic?What fraud? They're going after obscure technicalities so that the California EPA can afford to hire 15 Diversity and Inclusion enforcers and pay them $100k each. Money doesn't grow on trees, you know.
We already have Leftists on this thread accusing combat veterans of committing fraud. Yes, dodging enemy fire and committing felonies at home.i don't blame them, but they don't deserve to keep the cashthen you dont blame the troops,they did this in good faith....I'm not sure anyone is getting screwed here.Of all the people to fuck . . .
Disgusting!
seems like they didn't deserve the bonuses to begin with but someone at the state level was pushing them through fraudulently - screwing over everyone else
They absolutely do deserve to keep the money. No other contract restricts the lives of the participant as these do, and if these soldiers agreed to those restrictions based on fraud, let those who committed the fraud to pay or go to prison.
do you think that becoming a soldier makes someone a paragon of virtue?We already have Leftists on this thread accusing combat veterans of committing fraud. Yes, dodging enemy fire and committing felonies at home.i don't blame them, but they don't deserve to keep the cashthen you dont blame the troops,they did this in good faith....I'm not sure anyone is getting screwed here.Of all the people to fuck . . .
Disgusting!
seems like they didn't deserve the bonuses to begin with but someone at the state level was pushing them through fraudulently - screwing over everyone else
They absolutely do deserve to keep the money. No other contract restricts the lives of the participant as these do, and if these soldiers agreed to those restrictions based on fraud, let those who committed the fraud to pay or go to prison.
Aren't Leftists just wonderful? Doesn't it make you want to invite a few over for Thanksgiving dinner?
it sucks. but that's the way it works. you don't get to keep military overpaymentbut it wasn't the offer. it was fraud.but they weren't eligible for the bonuses. why should they get tens of thousands of dollars while others who did exactly the same thing but didn't accept fraudulent bonuses get nothing?The paper reported that nearly 10,000 soldiers, many of whom risked their lives during multiple combat tours, have been ordered to repay the cash bonuses after audits revealed widespread overpayments by California Guard officials under pressure to meet enlistment targets at the height of the wars 10 years ago.
But soldiers say the military is reneging on old agreements and imposing severe financial hardship on those whose only mistake was to accept the bonuses, which amounted to $15,000 or more.
In this case the soldiers were given an offer to reenlist and they accepted it. That was the terms under which they agreed to additional service
Will the Pentagon offer them back the three years of their lives if they return the money?
Because that was the offer that was on the table
Suppose your boss told you....I'll give you a $15,000 bonus if you work weekends and holidays for the next year
So you work weekends and holidays for a year and then your boss says....Sorry, I wasn't authorized to pay you the $15,000, you have to give it back
lots were 20 year veterans. not e3s.it sucks. but that's the way it works. you don't get to keep military overpaymentbut it wasn't the offer. it was fraud.but they weren't eligible for the bonuses. why should they get tens of thousands of dollars while others who did exactly the same thing but didn't accept fraudulent bonuses get nothing?
Because that was the offer that was on the table
Suppose your boss told you....I'll give you a $15,000 bonus if you work weekends and holidays for the next year
So you work weekends and holidays for a year and then your boss says....Sorry, I wasn't authorized to pay you the $15,000, you have to give it back
If you are an E3 and are slated to take home $15,000 a year and they pay you $20,000 by mistake you don't get to keep it
But if you are an E3 and they offer you $15,000 to reenlist for three years and you fulfill your enlistment there is no way to "make you well"
Giving back $15,000 makes them well, but they can't return 3 years of your life
lots were 20 year veterans. not e3s.it sucks. but that's the way it works. you don't get to keep military overpaymentbut it wasn't the offer. it was fraud.Because that was the offer that was on the table
Suppose your boss told you....I'll give you a $15,000 bonus if you work weekends and holidays for the next year
So you work weekends and holidays for a year and then your boss says....Sorry, I wasn't authorized to pay you the $15,000, you have to give it back
If you are an E3 and are slated to take home $15,000 a year and they pay you $20,000 by mistake you don't get to keep it
But if you are an E3 and they offer you $15,000 to reenlist for three years and you fulfill your enlistment there is no way to "make you well"
Giving back $15,000 makes them well, but they can't return 3 years of your life
i agree that it sucks, but i fail to see why someone should be allowed to financially benefit from fraud.
I'm sorry that's just not how it works.lots were 20 year veterans. not e3s.it sucks. but that's the way it works. you don't get to keep military overpaymentbut it wasn't the offer. it was fraud.
Suppose your boss told you....I'll give you a $15,000 bonus if you work weekends and holidays for the next year
So you work weekends and holidays for a year and then your boss says....Sorry, I wasn't authorized to pay you the $15,000, you have to give it back
If you are an E3 and are slated to take home $15,000 a year and they pay you $20,000 by mistake you don't get to keep it
But if you are an E3 and they offer you $15,000 to reenlist for three years and you fulfill your enlistment there is no way to "make you well"
Giving back $15,000 makes them well, but they can't return 3 years of your life
i agree that it sucks, but i fail to see why someone should be allowed to financially benefit from fraud.
It was the recruiters committing fraud. If they received bonuses for meeting enlistment goals, they should forfeit those bonuses
However, the recruiter is representing the US Army in negotiating with enlisted soldiers. If the soldier is told $15,000 for three years and does the three years...It is the Army that is responsible for the actions of its agents...not the soldiers
Now veterans are being told that even though they risked their asses by going into war zones in the ME, they are not eligible for the bonuses they were given and are being told they have to repay them. Many were given enlistment bonuses of 15,000 or more.
Pentagon Demands Return Of Cash Bonuses Paid To California Soldiers For Going To War A Decade Ago
Now, considering that most of our military live paycheck to paycheck because they don't get paid enough (an E-6 over 20 years of service only makes 36,000/yr), most of them will have a financial hardship in paying back the money.
I say let them keep the money, and let it go at that. They served in a war zone and risked their asses. They deserve the money for reenlisting and going back into a war zone.
Does anyone else find this reprehensible?
obama has nothing to do with itObama loves to screw our military.
I'm sorry that's just not how it works.lots were 20 year veterans. not e3s.it sucks. but that's the way it works. you don't get to keep military overpaymentSuppose your boss told you....I'll give you a $15,000 bonus if you work weekends and holidays for the next year
So you work weekends and holidays for a year and then your boss says....Sorry, I wasn't authorized to pay you the $15,000, you have to give it back
If you are an E3 and are slated to take home $15,000 a year and they pay you $20,000 by mistake you don't get to keep it
But if you are an E3 and they offer you $15,000 to reenlist for three years and you fulfill your enlistment there is no way to "make you well"
Giving back $15,000 makes them well, but they can't return 3 years of your life
i agree that it sucks, but i fail to see why someone should be allowed to financially benefit from fraud.
It was the recruiters committing fraud. If they received bonuses for meeting enlistment goals, they should forfeit those bonuses
However, the recruiter is representing the US Army in negotiating with enlisted soldiers. If the soldier is told $15,000 for three years and does the three years...It is the Army that is responsible for the actions of its agents...not the soldiers
they didn't earn the money. they wrongly took resources that could have been used elsewhere. sorry they were ignorant about the contract they signed, but ignorance doesn't mean you get to keep stolen money
Hey...................quick question.....................how many civilians do you guys on this thread think would be willing to go into a hot war zone where they are firing weapons and planting IED's all around for a measly 15,000?
Doesn't matter, they didn't meet the termsI'm sorry that's just not how it works.lots were 20 year veterans. not e3s.it sucks. but that's the way it works. you don't get to keep military overpayment
If you are an E3 and are slated to take home $15,000 a year and they pay you $20,000 by mistake you don't get to keep it
But if you are an E3 and they offer you $15,000 to reenlist for three years and you fulfill your enlistment there is no way to "make you well"
Giving back $15,000 makes them well, but they can't return 3 years of your life
i agree that it sucks, but i fail to see why someone should be allowed to financially benefit from fraud.
It was the recruiters committing fraud. If they received bonuses for meeting enlistment goals, they should forfeit those bonuses
However, the recruiter is representing the US Army in negotiating with enlisted soldiers. If the soldier is told $15,000 for three years and does the three years...It is the Army that is responsible for the actions of its agents...not the soldiers
they didn't earn the money. they wrongly took resources that could have been used elsewhere. sorry they were ignorant about the contract they signed, but ignorance doesn't mean you get to keep stolen money
Did they write the contract, or merely accept it when offered?
IT does not require Congress when the Chief Executive can simply order it to be given.Congress is the one that needs to fix this F==kup. It's about money. They are the ones who approve how money gets spent.Obama loves to screw our military.
Budget authorizations (of which this is one), cannot be done by EO.
Doesn't matter, they didn't meet the termsI'm sorry that's just not how it works.lots were 20 year veterans. not e3s.If you are an E3 and are slated to take home $15,000 a year and they pay you $20,000 by mistake you don't get to keep it
But if you are an E3 and they offer you $15,000 to reenlist for three years and you fulfill your enlistment there is no way to "make you well"
Giving back $15,000 makes them well, but they can't return 3 years of your life
i agree that it sucks, but i fail to see why someone should be allowed to financially benefit from fraud.
It was the recruiters committing fraud. If they received bonuses for meeting enlistment goals, they should forfeit those bonuses
However, the recruiter is representing the US Army in negotiating with enlisted soldiers. If the soldier is told $15,000 for three years and does the three years...It is the Army that is responsible for the actions of its agents...not the soldiers
they didn't earn the money. they wrongly took resources that could have been used elsewhere. sorry they were ignorant about the contract they signed, but ignorance doesn't mean you get to keep stolen money
Did they write the contract, or merely accept it when offered?
and you think the purple heart matters because..... why?Doesn't matter, they didn't meet the termsI'm sorry that's just not how it works.lots were 20 year veterans. not e3s.
i agree that it sucks, but i fail to see why someone should be allowed to financially benefit from fraud.
It was the recruiters committing fraud. If they received bonuses for meeting enlistment goals, they should forfeit those bonuses
However, the recruiter is representing the US Army in negotiating with enlisted soldiers. If the soldier is told $15,000 for three years and does the three years...It is the Army that is responsible for the actions of its agents...not the soldiers
they didn't earn the money. they wrongly took resources that could have been used elsewhere. sorry they were ignorant about the contract they signed, but ignorance doesn't mean you get to keep stolen money
Did they write the contract, or merely accept it when offered?
What were the terms they didn't meet? There was a vet on this morning that got a purple heart and was having to pay back the money.
I'm sorry that's just not how it works.lots were 20 year veterans. not e3s.it sucks. but that's the way it works. you don't get to keep military overpaymentSuppose your boss told you....I'll give you a $15,000 bonus if you work weekends and holidays for the next year
So you work weekends and holidays for a year and then your boss says....Sorry, I wasn't authorized to pay you the $15,000, you have to give it back
If you are an E3 and are slated to take home $15,000 a year and they pay you $20,000 by mistake you don't get to keep it
But if you are an E3 and they offer you $15,000 to reenlist for three years and you fulfill your enlistment there is no way to "make you well"
Giving back $15,000 makes them well, but they can't return 3 years of your life
i agree that it sucks, but i fail to see why someone should be allowed to financially benefit from fraud.
It was the recruiters committing fraud. If they received bonuses for meeting enlistment goals, they should forfeit those bonuses
However, the recruiter is representing the US Army in negotiating with enlisted soldiers. If the soldier is told $15,000 for three years and does the three years...It is the Army that is responsible for the actions of its agents...not the soldiers
they didn't earn the money. they wrongly took resources that could have been used elsewhere. sorry they were ignorant about the contract they signed, but ignorance doesn't mean you get to keep stolen money
if h&r block filed tax returns for thousands of people getting them refunds of $15k they didn't deserve and the mistake isn't discovered for years down the road the individuals don't get to pretend they don't owe the money.
