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[eots]

No CD team would have prepped the floor supports of just one column in an effort to bring down 7. The anomaly is actually what proves bldg 7 was not rigged for demo but rather was unpredictably felled by previously unconsidered factors. We now know that these buildings can collapse.
So to consider other possibilities one must present another collapse theory. To date no better alternative to the NIST theory has been developed.

13. Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.

In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses. According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIIF6P8zBG8]9/11: Sound Evidence for WTC 7 Explosions and NIST Cover Up - YouTube[/ame]

For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition, walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or a limited set of columns in a building.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IgqJXyLbg]Tom Sullivan - Explosives Technician - Loader - AE911Truth.org - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc]Danny Jowenko on WTC 7 controlled demolition - YouTube[/ame]

 

[daws101]

No CD team would have prepped the floor supports of just one column in an effort to bring down 7. The anomaly is actually what proves bldg 7 was not rigged for demo but rather was unpredictably felled by previously unconsidered factors. We now know that these buildings can collapse.
So to consider other possibilities one must present another collapse theory. To date no better alternative to the NIST theory has been developed.

13. Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.

In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses. According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIIF6P8zBG8]9/11: Sound Evidence for WTC 7 Explosions and NIST Cover Up - YouTube[/ame]

For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition, walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or a limited set of columns in a building.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IgqJXyLbg]Tom Sullivan - Explosives Technician - Loader - AE911Truth.org - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc]Danny Jowenko on WTC 7 controlled demolition - YouTube[/ame]

more useless opining from non experts..

 

[SAYIT]

That Duff would admit much of what is found at his Veterans Today website is patently false is commendable, he did not explain why he would post such nonsense.
Perhaps VT is guilty of lining its pockets by pandering to an audience that needs to hear bullshit.

 

[SAYIT]

Bumped in response to the use of VT as a source.

 

[KokomoJojo]

damn liars
We could all go up in a mushroom cloud! ~dubya


CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq

Recommends freeing detainees held for weapons knowledge

Arko Datta / Reuters file A U.S. soldier of the 3rd Brigade, 66th Regiment, of the 4th Infantry Division guards an underground ammunition storage bunker near Tikrit, Iraq, on Sept. 1, 2003. U.S. forces found ample supplies of conventional weapons such as these, but no weapons of mass destruction.


WASHINGTON — In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.
“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.
“As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible.”

 

[SFC Ollie]

Wow, people still want to quote Duelfer without reading and comprehending his report.

 

[Howey]

"... about 30% of what's on Veterans Today is patently false." - Gordon Duff
"...about 40% of what I write is at least purposely partially false..." - Gordon Duff
veterans today debunked - Google Search

Kudos to Veterans Today senior editor Gordon Duff for stepping out of the closet and admitting that 30% of what VT publishes (and 40% of what he himself writes) is "at least partially" and even "patently false!" Given it is in his best interest to understate the % it may well be that 50% (and 80%) are closer to the truth. It seems that the years of authoring and publishing LIES have caught up to him and he can no longer look at his own face. The real question is; can those who have built their conclusions on the LIES of VT and their interconnected web of international web sites face themselves and each other? Can the CT Movement face the fact that their CT World has been built on these LIES?
My guess? Not likely.

Huh. Something in Conspiracies that shouldn't be.

 

[SAYIT]

damn liars
We could all go up in a mushroom cloud! ~dubya
CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq
Recommends freeing detainees held for weapons knowledge
Reuters file A U.S. soldier of the 3rd Brigade, 66th Regiment, of the 4th Infantry Division guards an underground ammunition storage bunker near Tikrit, Iraq, on Sept. 1, 2003. U.S. forces found ample supplies of conventional weapons such as these, but no weapons of mass destruction.

— In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.
“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.
“As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible.”

I take all that silliness to mean you were regularly dropped on your head as a baby.
My condolences.

 

[holston]

Whatever the truth about Gordon Duff is has nothing to do with the facts available about 9/11.

He could be right on some things and wrong on others the same as everyone else.


Rather than attack the person saying a thing, why not examine the thing he's saying?
You people should know that these kinds of arguments aren't good for much except maybe casting doubt on the credibility of a source.
They do nothing to invalidate the particular argument being made.

But Gordon Duff is not the only source of information about 9/11 anyway. He certainly couldn't have fabricated it all on his own. Talk about preposterous conspiracy theories (roll eyes).

 

[SFC Ollie]

Gordon Duff is a nut case.

 

[holston]

He said he had to "write between the lines" because "if he didn't, he wouldn't be alive".

I interpret this to mean that he can't say all of what he knows or precisely what he wants to, otherwise someone could possibly have him killed.

I have no reason to doubt this given the topics he has dealt with.

The thing that protects folks like me from giving politically incorrect opinions on line is that what I have to say isn't going to have the impact that someone as prominent as Duff would.

The subject of the 9/11 is a prime example.

Do you really think that if anyone knew exactly who was responsible and could name names explicitly that it would be safe to do so, given the amount of power that such a person would have to have in order to orchestrate 9/11?


The only reason that masses of people can post the things they do on the internet about 9/11 and other political hot potatoes is because they people the are implicating can't kill everyone. It's practically infeasible and besides they don't have to!

But if a prominent person with a national profile were to say certain things about certain people, they would be in danger of being murdered. (assassinated if you prefer)

Take Glen Beck for example. He is one of the biggest Jew butt kissers on the radio. But you see what happened when he mentioned too many Jews in the same breath with Soros. He got demoted.

Shortly after that he comes on the radio saying that he might lose his eye sight.

The thought crossed my mind that because he was getting too close to "naming the Jew" that someone gave him a "friendly word of advice".

The so called "Russian" mob which immigrated to the US have been identified primarily with the Jews.
Even people in the FBI and CIA have said that to make waves about Jewish spying would mean career suicide.

Beck had a national audience. And a lot of people listened to him and trusted what he said. Therefore his words carried weight.

Someone like myself can say certain things and the forum Hasbara only have to start their name calling routine and bury it in mountains of garbage to ensure that few people even read what has been said.

The Jewish/Israeli Union have a large propaganda and disinformation campaign that works to squelch certain information and discredit anyone who mentions it.


Anyone who is in a position to be able to seriously pose a threat to some mobsters income or challenge the power of the super rich elitists would himself be in mortal danger if he spoke out.


I can't stand to listen to Beck much because of all the slobbering praise he drips on the Jews that hold his strings in hand.

If for example, Beck saw who was actually controlling things, and wished to tell the public anything that would expose them or jeopardize their agenda, do you really think he would be able to say so without suffering serious consequences?

Do you remember what happened to one of the Russian gangster oligarches who fled to England and had too much to say about Putin?

Only someone like Putin, with the full power of Russia would be able to confront a mobster of that magnitude on the world stage.



People murder other people everyday over some of the pettiest bullshit. Only a seriously naive person would doubt that murders aren't committed where great power and wealth are at stake.


Anyone who can be read or heard by the general population can also be heard by the world power brokers.

We know the types of people who we are not allowed to criticize. You know what some people are capable of doing if anyone gets in their way.

It's rather stupid to believe that any person who has gained the trust of a large audience can lambaste the really dangerous characters and not run a serious risk.

Would you run your mouth about someone you knew would and could kill you if you said anything that offended them?
Even if you were nervy enough to face getting murdered, would you still speak if you knew that your death would just be in vain?

There are other deterrents besides threatening a person directly with death or bodily injury.
The "Russian" mob are said to threaten a persons family as well, including wives, children, and relatives.

How would you deal with that?

For the smaller fish there are still other means in order to send a message.
A person can be subjected to "black balling" and financial ruin.

Even those tactics are sufficient to discourage most people.

Only a person who had absolutely nothing to lose and was unafraid of physical torture, being maimed, or death might be willing to go that far.

I don't know of anyone who has that much physical courage. If they did, they would also have to have damaging information, and a platform to widely disseminate it. Even so, the question would have to be asked whether subjecting oneself to those things would have any effect on operations.


The last I heard, the Fed is still printing money and has no intention to stop it.

They are not so stupid that they fail to understand what is common sense to Joe Blow in the street.

The fact that the media prefers to feature some person's conversation in which he expresses a disdain for blacks as the top story clearly indicates media complicity in what is being done to this nation.

Our country is headed for financial ruin.
The only way they can avoid it is by starting WWIII. We are practically in the throws of a dictatorship.
And yet they still go on and on about "racism" as if it THAT was the major problem.

 

[whitehall]

The best you can find is that VT is a conglomeration of media blogs. You can't find a financial statement and being blog sites there is no guarantee of accuracy. The best I can come up with is that it is similar to John Kerry's "winter soldier" project with Janie Fonda.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I didn't know this was a jew hater thread........

Duff is still a nut case..........

 

[holston]

I didn't know this was a jew hater thread........

Duff is still a nut case..........

It started out as a Debunker thread.

How much of what Duff has said is on target, or even whether he is a nut, here's why it's important for the Hasbarats to debunk Veterans Today.
They don't like some of the things they have to say.
As a matter of fact, they don't like anything that doesn't bear the Kosher Seal of approval.

No doubt Duff can't say everything he wants to because of the Jewish lobby. Lot's of people are hamstrung that way.

GORDON DUFF: 9/11 PLANNERS CONFESS ON NETWORK TELEVISION | Veterans Today

How can a nation like the United States be duped into two wars and total bankruptcy? It would be one thing if the “truth” about 9/11 was internet conspiracy theory.

Watch Larry Silverstein tell network news that WTC 7, the same virtually undamaged building was “pulled” by firefighters. Since making this statement, no single individual, firefighter, 9/11 Commission member or anyone else has backed up this wild claim. Need we mention that setting demolition charges alone would require weeks?

Perhaps worst of all, Fox News itself, released the following story indicating that 60 Israeli’s were arrested after 9/11, some active duty military who had advance knowledge of 9/11. Later, the number exceeded 200, tied to espionage and suspected terrorism. Yes, the term “terrorism” is used. All investigations were eventually quashed. You can come to your own conclusions as to what is and isn’t being said.

There's a lot of deliberate disinformation that's been generated on the net, especially about 9/11.
Some of it gets spread innocently enough by people who who don't know any better.

Probably no one knows all the details about 9/11 except maybe the perpetrators.
Debunkers have this logical hang-up that the case for controlled demolitions has to be proven with some kind of mathematical rigor that's impossible in the real world and insist that before any allegations can be made the proof has to be there and ALL the details known.

What they don't mention is the fact that the case against Bin Laden nor the alleged hijackers was ever proven.

They're about 9/11 like Hillary Clinton is about Ben Gazi. They don't care just as long as enough time lapses to put the guilty parties in the clear.

Besides, they all say, "What difference does it make?"

I could ask the same thing about whether there were any WMDs in Iraq, whether anyone in Afghanistan had a thing to do with 9/11, and whether it matters if Iran ever gets a tiny fraction of the nuclear arsenal that Israel has.

I could say that about a lot of other things too, like what difference does it make to me what happened in the War Between the States, or whether 6 million Jews died in the "holocaust" or 6,000.

Those things remain vibrant today and as vital as anything to some sectors of society.

It's just that the things which someone like myself may see as important don't matter to the political powers that be even if the thing happened yesterday because I don't belong to the class of "Chosen Ones".
Anyone else doesn't rate prime time.

The ones who do would rather people in general not be privy to too much information about 9/11, the economy, or the mideast powder keg. They might start thinking all of these events are the product of some sort of conspiracy. As we all know, only Muslims and "angry ol' white men" are capable of conspiring. Banksters, money hogs, and war mongers never do.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I don;t want or need mathematical proof of a controlled demolition, I need physical proof. And there simply isn't any. Not one single solitary piece. there are about 25,000,000 different theories but zero proof.

 

[SAYIT]

I didn't know this was a jew hater thread........

Duff is still a nut case..........

Anywhere Holston squats becomes a Jew hate thread.

 

[holston]

I don;t want or need mathematical proof of a controlled demolition, I need physical proof. And there simply isn't any. Not one single solitary piece. there are about 25,000,000 different theories but zero proof.

Yes there is, an abundance of it. The Hasbarats just deny it.

What else can they do?

 

[holston]

I didn't know this was a jew hater thread........

Duff is still a nut case..........

Anywhere Holston squats becomes a Jew hate thread.

Until Jewish hegemony is exposed and the Zionist hand in 9/11 I will continue to comment on it.

"Hate" has nothing to do with it beyond the strong resentment I have against those who would make themselves the lord and master of the universe.

There are some things that deserve to be hated. They are called EVIL.

The people who commit evil deeds can hardly be commended for them. No normal person is going to "like" anyone else who holds them in contempt as much as Jews do non-Jews.
Who can rightly expect them to?

You people don't like me. What do you call THAT?

The reason why is because I do not willingly accept Jewish hegemony and I work to expose it.

If there is a problem here, then it began with you!


I've told you people a hundred times I resent ANYONE who would have as little respect for me as you people do. And I have no more use for "gentile" thugs, thieves, and liars than I would for any other.

If you don't fit into any of those categories then what's your problem?

If you don't like the idea of being "lumped" into a category or stereotyped then think about that the next time you go on about how "we white devils" genocided the Indians and enslaved all the Negros. Remember it the next time you see an ad or watch a story depicting the white male as being the lowest form of life on earth. And remember that the next time you jump on one of them because they resent having your "multicultural" Socialist agendas rammed down their throats, and your attempts to censor their freedom of religious and a dozen other incursions, burdens, and invasions that YOUR CABAL has perpetrated upon them.

Either you are in favor of all those things or you are not.

Evidently you are all for them or else you would condemn them for the perversions of justice they are.

 

[SAYIT]

I didn't know this was a jew hater thread........

Duff is still a nut case..........

Anywhere Holston squats becomes a Jew hate thread.

Until Jewish hegemony is ... blah ... blah ... blah...

As already stated, anywhere Holston squats becomes a Jew hate thread.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I don;t want or need mathematical proof of a controlled demolition, I need physical proof. And there simply isn't any. Not one single solitary piece. there are about 25,000,000 different theories but zero proof.

Yes there is, an abundance of it. The Hasbarats just deny it.

What else can they do?

Where's all this proof you speak of? I've never seen it. never heard about it even. Everything i've seen or heard about was just more BS and you've got plenty of that to show so far.

Now when you have physical proof there is a controlled demolition of any of these buildings, or that there are living people who were supposed to be on those planes, Or some kind of proof that the Government was in on it, well, you let us know...