Zone1 Video: Slavery By Another Name

[AZrailwhale]

Oh…..so the victimized criminals in prison are forced to work, and now you call that slavery?

(Another libtard who sides with rapists and murderers over their victims.)

My personal opinion is that ALL prisoners should be required to perform hard labor. Prison should be a very unpleasant place that criminals shouldn’t want to return to.

 

[LibertyKid]

Whites go to prison and break laws.

No shit? Didn't know that.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Oh…..so the victimized criminals in prison are forced to work, and now you call that slavery?

(Another libtard who sides with rapists and murderers over their victims.)

Another retard who doesn't know what the Civil War was really about.

 

[Lisa558]

Another retard who doesn't know what the Civil War was really about.

Says the retard who thinks criminals in prison having to work are “slaves.”

The lib nonsense reaches a new low every day.

 

[LibertyKid]

I swear there's a word for when people are forced to work without pay.. But it escapes me somehow..?

You think they are not getting paid? There is a cost, to you and me when any criminal is in prison.

Housing
Land costs (Some Prison's are 3rd party owned and operated, so I am not sure if they own the land, leasing, etc)
Utilities
Human Resources
Food
Medicine
Insurance
Clothing
Laundry

Despite all of this for free, you feel that when an inmate has to work that they should earn a livable wage as well?

 

[Lisa558]

You think they are not getting paid? There is a cost, to you and me when any criminal is in prison.

Housing
Land costs (Some Prison's are 3rd party owned and operated, so I am not sure if they own the land, leasing, etc)
Utilities
Human Resources
Food
Medicine
Insurance
Clothing
Laundry

Despite all of this for free, you feel that when an inmate has to work that they should earn a livable wage as well?

To reiterate your point, in return for their unskilled labor, the criminals are getting all meals, housing, medical care, etc., etc., covered at no expense to themselves. They’re making out like bandits (which most of them are).

 

[Lastamender]

I am watching this now and feel that this will turn out to be a very informative documentary:

[after the abolishment of slavery] ...about a 1/3 of whites at this time were illiterate. Those individuals see Blacks moving around, trying to get land, trying to improve themselves, as competitors, they see a zero sum game in which they are going to lose, the more that Blacks gain ...​

Slavery by Another Name | Episode 1 | PBS

 

[Grumblenuts]

Nice finishing strawman, but I can't fix stupid. Sorry, Kid.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

There were 62,000,000 people in the USA in 1890. 19,000 is a very small percentage.

You think 30% is a very small percentage?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

So criminals have to work in the fields, partly to offset the costs to house, feed, and provide medical care for them - and they don’t like it?

Them they shouldn’t have committed crimes.

Per usual you didn't bother to read the article and don't have a clue let alone anything to contribute to the actual topic

[snipped] ...Black people do not commit more crimes than whites. That is a fallacy that goes way back to their angst over the abolishment of slavery "except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted". The second half of that statement gave whites cover for them being merely accused of criminal behavior but per usual Blacks could be and were oftened returned to captivity merely on an accusation. Additionally many new laws were created solely to control and oppress Black people and their lives, in some cases specifically in order to create a new free labor market to replace the one they had lost (slavery). This new labor market was known as convict leasing, but also peonage where Black people could be imprisoned for debt.

Imagine being returned to captivity for not having a job, or having a job but not having "acceptable proof" of one's employment"?

After the Civil War, slavery persisted in the form of convict leasing, a system in which Southern states leased prisoners to private railways, mines, and large plantations. While states profited, prisoners earned no pay and faced inhumane, dangerous, and often deadly work conditions. Thousands of Black people were forced into what authors have termed “slavery by another name” until the 1930s.​

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The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1865, prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude, but explicitly exempted those convicted of crime. In response, Southern state legislatures quickly passed “Black Codes” – new laws that explicitly applied only to Black people and subjected them to criminal prosecution for “offenses” such as loitering, breaking curfew, vagrancy, having weapons, and not carrying proof of employment. Crafted to ensnare Black people and return them to chains, these laws were effective; ****for the first time in U.S. history, many state penal systems held more Black prisoners than white**** – all of whom could be leased for profit.​

Convict Leasing.​

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[NewsVine_Mariyam]

To reiterate your point, in return for their unskilled labor, the criminals are getting all meals, housing, medical care, etc., etc., covered at no expense to themselves. They’re making out like bandits (which most of them are).

Where does it say anywhere that they are unskilled?

 

[Lisa558]

Per usual you didn't bother to read the article and don't have a clue let alone anything to contribute to the actual topic

Per usual, you can’t let a post of mine go by without an insult.

The point is that forcing those imprisoned for their crimes to work is not slavery. It was their CHOICE to commit crimes.

 

[Lisa558]

Where does it say anywhere that they are unskilled?

I said the LABOR they were doing is unskilled.

And wow - you libs sure are eager to defend the scumbags of society.

 

[Lisa558]

You think 30% is a very small percentage?

Talk about not reading! He said 19,000 out of 62 million. That’s hardly 30%.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You think 30% is a very small percentage?

Your math is faulty. 19,000 out of 62,000,000 isn’t 30%. It’s so small a percentage it’s a rounding error.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Per usual, you can’t let a post of mine go by without an insult.

The point is that forcing those imprisoned for their crimes to work is not slavery. It was their CHOICE to commit crimes.

I didn't insult you. I correctly indicated that your response(s) are evidence that you didn't bother to read the OP or watch the video, OTHERWISE you would be aware that the topic is not people who are imprisoned being forced to work, it's the legal traps and laws, beginning with the "escape clause" written into the 13th amendment which abolished slavery, that SPECIFICALLY targeted Black people.

You as well as others here act as if all things are equal between the races and that if Black people have higher representation in the criminal justice system IT MUST BE (in the minds of the racists), because Black people commit more crime. You have been shown that the disparities are caused in great part by discriminatory and racist laws as well as the why in which they are enforced. Have you never heard of jury nullification, which is what white juries in the south would use in order to refuse from convicting a white person who had committed a crime against a Black person and didn't want to see them punished?

White people could go about their lives as they saw fit while Black people had new laws passed specifically to ensnare them and get them into the system so that they would be used for free labor as they had been before slavery was abolished.

In 1955, two white men went on trial in Mississippi for the murder of Emmett Till, a black 14-year-old from Chicago who supposedly had been too friendly to a white woman. In the Jim Crow South, there was never much chance of conviction, and they were acquitted by a jury that deliberated for barely an hour. The two men, free of the danger of prosecution, later acknowledged their guilt. That case and many like it are worth keeping in mind in any consideration of the place of jury nullification in the criminal justice system.​

Let there be no mistake about it, racist juries routinely failed to deliver justice in the Jim Crow South. And jury injustice sometimes happens today when, for example, juries acquit police caught on video brutalizing defenseless citizens.
8 Arguments Against Jury Nullification Rebutted | Flex Your Rights

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Talk about not reading! He said 19,000 out of 62 million. That’s hardly 30%.

My mistake

 

[Lisa558]

I didn't insult you. I correctly indicated that your response(s) are evidence that you didn't bother to read the OP or watch the video, OTHERWISE you would be aware that the topic is not people who are imprisoned being forced to work, it's the legal traps and laws, beginning with the "escape clause" written into the 13th amendment which abolished slavery, that SPECIFICALLY targeted Black people.

You as well as others here act as if all things are equal between the races and that if Black people have higher representation in the criminal justice system IT MUST BE (in the minds of the racists), because Black people commit more crime. You have been shown that the disparities are caused in great part by discriminatory and racist laws as well as the why in which they are enforced. Have you never heard of jury nullification, which is what white juries in the south would use in order to refuse from convicting a white person who had committed a crime against a Black person and didn't want to see them punished?

White people could go about their lives as they saw fit while Black people had new laws passed specifically to ensnare them and get them into the system so that they would be used for free labor as they had been before slavery was abolished.

In 1955, two white men went on trial in Mississippi for the murder of Emmett Till, a black 14-year-old from Chicago who supposedly had been too friendly to a white woman. In the Jim Crow South, there was never much chance of conviction, and they were acquitted by a jury that deliberated for barely an hour. The two men, free of the danger of prosecution, later acknowledged their guilt. That case and many like it are worth keeping in mind in any consideration of the place of jury nullification in the criminal justice system.​

Let there be no mistake about it, racist juries routinely failed to deliver justice in the Jim Crow South. And jury injustice sometimes happens today when, for example, juries acquit police caught on video brutalizing defenseless citizens.
8 Arguments Against Jury Nullification Rebutted | Flex Your Rights

Yes, blacks DO commit more crime, and that is why they are overrepresented in prison,

And the rest of your diatribe is what happened in the PAST.

As far as the races not being treated equally, you are correct there. Blacks are prioritized for jobs…for promotions…for admissions to colleges and med schools. Blacks are now treated as so superior to whites that we have a school principal who brags how she got rid of all the white staff, that a company announces that whites will be laid off before any Black is touched (and that white is lower-cases while the more important Black is auto-capitalized), that TV commercials and advertising material never show a lowly white family, that winners of Merit Scholarships aren’t told because not as many blacks got them, that entrance exams are eliminated specifically to get more blacks in, etc., etc.

And of course we have the issue that when a cop kills a Black, it is national news for a week. When a cop kills a white, eh…..it was just a lowly white.

So yes, I agree.….it is time the races are treated equally.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Yes, blacks DO commit more crime, and that is why they are overrepresented in prison,

And the rest of your diatribe is what happened in the PAST.

As far as the races not being treated equally, you are correct there. Blacks are prioritized for jobs…for promotions…for admissions to colleges and med schools. Blacks are now treated as so superior to whites that we have a school principal who brags how she got rid of all the white staff, that a company announces that whites will be laid off before any Black is touched (and that white is lower-cases while the more important Black is auto-capitalized), that TV commercials and advertising material never show a lowly white family, that winners of Merit Scholarships aren’t told because not as many blacks got them, that entrance exams are eliminated specifically to get more blacks in, etc., etc.

And of course we have the issue that when a cop kills a Black, it is national news for a week. When a cop kills a white, eh…..it was just a lowly white.

So yes, I agree.….it is time the races are treated equally.

It was time for the races to be treated equally some 300 odd years ago but white supremacists are gonna supremacist - "HATE HATE HATE HATE!" (apologies to Taylor S). It's still going on today contrary to your many protestations:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, March 8, 2023​

Justice Department Finds Civil Rights Violations by the Louisville Metro Police Department and Louisville/Jefferson County Metro Government​

Following a comprehensive investigation, the Justice Department announced today that the Louisville Metro Police Department (LMPD) and the Louisville/Jefferson County Metro Government (Louisville Metro) engage in a pattern or practice of conduct that violates the U.S. Constitution and federal law. The Department also announced that it has entered into an agreement in principle with Louisville Metro and LMPD, which have committed to resolving the department’s findings through a court-enforceable consent decree with an independent monitor, rather than contested litigation.​

Specifically, the Justice Department finds that LMPD:​

• Uses excessive force, including unjustified neck restraints and the unreasonable use of police dogs and tasers;
• Conducts searches based on invalid warrants;
• Unlawfully executes search warrants without knocking and announcing;
• Unlawfully stops, searches, detains, and arrests people during street enforcement activities, including traffic and pedestrian stops;
• Unlawfully discriminates against Black people in its enforcement activities;
• Violates the rights of people engaged in protected free speech critical of policing; and
• Along with Louisville Metro, discriminates against people with behavioral health disabilities when responding to them in crisis.

The Department also identified deficiencies in LMPD’s response to and investigation of domestic violence and sexual assault, including its responses to allegations that LMPD officers engaged in sexual misconduct or domestic violence. Deficiencies in policies, training, supervision, and accountability contribute to LMPD and Louisville Metro’s unlawful conduct.​

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“The Justice Department has concluded that there is reasonable cause to believe that Louisville Metro and LMPD engage in a pattern or practice of conduct that violates the constitutional rights of the residents of Louisville — including by using excessive force, unlawfully discriminating against Black people, conducting searches based on invalid warrants, and violating the rights of those engaged in protected speech critical of policing,” said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. “This unacceptable and unconstitutional conduct erodes the community trust necessary for effective policing. It is also an affront to the vast majority of officers who put their lives on the line to serve Louisville with honor. And it is an affront to the people of Louisville who deserve better. The Justice Department will work closely with Louisville Metro and LMPD to negotiate toward a consent decree and durable reforms that protect both the safety and civil rights of Louisville’s residents.”​

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Continued here:​

“The findings are deeply troubling and sobering, and they compromise LMPD’s ability to serve and protect the people of Louisville,” said Associate Attorney General Vanita Gupta. “We are committed to working with Louisville on a path forward to constitutional policing and stronger police-community trust. Although police reform won’t happen overnight, focused effort and sustained commitment will bring us closer to transformed relationships, safe communities, and this nation’s promise of justice and equality under the law.”​

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“People in Louisville deserve policing that is constitutional, fair and non-discriminatory,” said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. “Our investigation found that the police department and city government failed to adequately protect and serve the people of Louisville, breached the public’s trust, and discriminated against Black people through unjustified stops, searches, and arrests. The police used excessive force, subjecting people to unlawful strikes, tasings, and canine bites. The police sought search warrants without justification and carried out no-knock warrants unlawfully, evading the constitution, defying federal law, and putting ordinary citizens in harm’s way. Today marks a new day and a new chapter for the people of Louisville.”​

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LMPD and Louisville Metro cooperated fully with the department’s investigation. The Justice Department provided a comprehensive, written report of its investigative findings to Louisville Metro and LMPD. The report acknowledges the changes already made by Louisville Metro and LMPD, and it identifies additional remedial measures that the department believes are necessary to fully address its findings.​

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The Department of Justice opened this investigation on April 26, 2021. The investigation was conducted by career attorneys and staff in the Civil Rights Division and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Kentucky. The investigation included numerous onsite tours; interviews of LMPD officers, supervisors, and command staff; ride-alongs; review of thousands of documents; and review of thousands of hours of body-worn camera footage. Department attorneys and staff also met with community members, advocates, service providers, and other stakeholders in the Louisville Metro area.​

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The department conducted this investigation pursuant to the 34 U.S.C. § 12601 (Section 12601), which prohibits law enforcement officers from engaging in a pattern or practice of conduct that deprives people of rights protected by the Constitution or federal law, the Safe Streets Act of 1968, Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act.​

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The findings announced today are the result of the department’s civil pattern or practice investigation and are separate from the department’s criminal cases against former LMPD officers for federal crimes related to the tragic death of Breonna Taylor. These findings are also separate from the department’s ongoing investigation into the Commonwealth of Kentucky under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Additional information can be found at: www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-launches-civil-rights-investigation-kentucky-s-mental-health-service-0.​

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The department will be conducting outreach to members of the Louisville community for their views on remedies to address the department’s findings. Individuals may also submit recommendations by email at [email protected] or by phone at 1-844-920-1460.​

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This is one of eight investigations into law enforcement agencies opened by the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division under Section 12601 during this Administration. The department has ongoing investigations into the Minneapolis Police Department; the Phoenix Police Department; the Mount Vernon (NY) Police Department; the Louisiana State Police; the New York City Police Department’s Special Victims Division; the Worcester (MA) Police Department; and the Oklahoma City Police Department.​

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Additional information about the Civil Rights Division is available on its website at www.justice.gov/crt. Additional information about the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Kentucky is available at www.justice.gov/usao-wdky.​

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Information specific to the Civil Rights Division’s police reform work can be found here: www.justice.gov/crt/file/922421/download.​

 

[Lastamender]

I am watching this now and feel that this will turn out to be a very informative documentary:

[after the abolishment of slavery] ...about a 1/3 of whites at this time were illiterate. Those individuals see Blacks moving around, trying to get land, trying to improve themselves, as competitors, they see a zero sum game in which they are going to lose, the more that Blacks gain ...​

Slavery by Another Name | Episode 1 | PBS

You are a lot like the grim reaper of race. It will never go away this way.