Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Fifty thousand young guys (many enslaved via the draft) died needlessly in that fucking useless fiasco. It made me ashamed to be an American.

I escaped it by joining the Navy.

And Jane Fonda remains a hero of mine for doing what she did.

Please, don't ever claim you were in the Navy. You will have everyone believing we take retards.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Easily one of the most disgusting eras of our history.

Yes, your lifetime is a disgusting era.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I remember little about Vietnam accept my brother and two of our neighbors where drafted or enlisted. My brother came back, the others are still in Vietnam. Vague memory of Fonda being shown chumming it up with the enemy. Who was worse, LBJ & McNamara or the entitled liberal contrarians thumbing their rich entitled noses at everything? Sorry can't answer your question. Don't remember, not sure if it matters anymore.

Why are your brothers still in Vietnam? I am not exactly sure what you mean.

I am sure they were wonderful men and I am sorry for your loss,

BTW, the word is "except".

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

That is 22 per day, not 22 minutes.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

Epitaph on the Vietnam War Memorial: PROUD TO DIE TAKING A RICHKID'S PLACE

The purpose of that war was too kill off or take the fight out of the bravest patriots born in the White working class. Mission accomplished.

If only Captain Bone Spurs could have been there leading the charge against the commies. . .

Or Captain Asthma?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Our fight in South Vietnam wore out China and the Soviets and in fact when the North turned on the Soviets and China that saw an end to adventurism by the Communists.

I don’t agree. The war didn’t wear them out. It did wear out the American people though. Sadly, we learned nothing from this imperialist fiasco.

Do you think millions of deaths and destruction of much of Vietnam and Cambodia was worth wear wearing out China and USSR?

yes I do. And we won in South Vietnam the dems sold out the south in 74 and 75.

Lol. Yeah we won. Then we lost.

It was clear to the US when Nixon/Ford signed the Paris Peace Accords treaty that NV wasn’t going to abide by it. So, it was a phony treaty. We declared victory and left. Then the Ds refused to get us back in the war after the SV couldn’t fight worth a shit. Good thing too.

If only our corrupt leaders had supported Ho Chi Minh in the 1950s making Vietnam a friend rather than an enemy, we could have avoided millions of deaths. Somehow this is never discussed. We never learn from our mistakes.

Wrong the South fought fine, in 1974 the dems cut off their supplies their ammo and their spare parts and then when tthe North attacked the dems refused to honor a TREATY. As for shit even with out our support the South fought for a month.

Wrong. The South couldn’t fight a paper tiger. Get informed.

retard in 72 the south fought WITHOUT US troops and stopped the North and in 75 they fought for a month out numbered and with out supplies. Learn some facts dumb ass.

Lol. Fool. Why were they without supplies? Why were they outnumbered? Shouldn’t they have been prepared?

Because the Democrats cut them off moron we supplied the South and the dems cut them off god are you really this ignorant of historical facts?

You said outnumbered. Do you know what that means? It certainly has nothing to do with the USA.

Why didn’t they properly supply their army? They had to know the US wasn’t dependable.

Has it occurred to you that they didn’t have the will to fight? They were terribly corrupt and incompetent.

Is it your opinion the US government should have returned to Vietnam and continued the war, killing millions more people?

You have got to be the most historically ignorant piece of shit on this message board!

 

[DudleySmith]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

America left Vietnam completely defeated. Their folly to eradicate communism in another country was a waste of 55000 lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries. The military left like a kicked dog.
The democrats had absolutely nothing to do with that. That's a typical Republican view wanting to blame democrats for everything. How pathetic.

Great. Another history revisionist and Communist admirer.
We withdrew from Vietnam in good order when the government ordered us to do so and until that time we successfully carried out our mission of defending South Vietnam. We lost nothing.
It was the US Congress (mostly democrats if I remember correctly) that failed in our commitment to an ally by denying furthers funds for resupply and possible air cover. It was the Congress that betrayed South Vietnam and our fallen soldiers.
We were winning when I left.

Notice these commies never once complain about all the foreign support Ho was getting from the Soviets, followed by the Red Chinese, it was only the U.S. 'interfering n stuff'.

 

[DudleySmith]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Actually it did stop them and it helped wipe out the viet cong, Or perhaps you can list for us the times the NV took territory while the US was there?

That is what was wrong about the US strategy in Vietnam
It was never about territory and body counts. It was about the hearts and minds of the people.
Western occupiers were never welcome. As long as the French or US was there, you were going to face resistance.

After 72 South Vietnam was stable.

How could they be “stable” with so many N Vietnamese troops occupying Southern territory?

They were stable to allow US troops to withdraw

the south had only a little of North Vietnam occupying territory, the Viet Cong were destroyed and the military was confident in it's abilities.

You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban

look you moron the Viet Cong destroyed themselves in the TET offensive. If you want to be taken seriously learn a few real facts.

Took a licking but never disappeared
If they were so destroyed and there was no threat from the North......Why did S Vietnam fall like a cheap folding table?

They were provided the best equipment, supplies and training
But they were an inept force

Rubbish. They fell when Congress cut them off, while the North was still being supplied by the Russians and Red Chinese. Your stupid myth that the North was some heroic local peasants revolt is just ludicrous lying. The North violated international law throughout the entire war, while the the U.S. fought within the UN mandates; your commie heroes never did, not even once.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

There are plenty of filthy anti American bastards on political message boards.

Yes I’m a traitor in a nation that claims it offers it’s people freedom. Apparently some Americans would prefer a much more tyrannical government that imprisons all who oppose the empire. You’d do will in Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany hasn't existed in three quarters of a century.

Whom has the U.S. imprisoned for political reasons?

Oh be honest. You’d gladly imprison me and those like me.

No, you need to be hospitalized, not imprisoned.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Consc

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY yes it is!
If you get drafted you do not have a choice, either serve in the army or spend time in jail. Sounds like slavery to me when you don't have a choice on how you live your life.

You could join the Navy or Chair Force.

 

[OKTexas]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

The book "The Black Book of Communism" indicates that. And it was exhaustively researched.

Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Show me you're not a fucking commie propagandist. Oh right, you can't you're paid to spew their propaganda every waking hour.

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[OKTexas]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

You aren't my league, first you use statistics from the 80's and 90's when we're talking about the 60's and early 70's, now you're dodging again.

The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

We are talking about Vietnam being better off under the Communist leadership than under French and US occupation. My referencing the 80s and 90s shows that

Still waiting for you to show your claim that VIETNAM killed millions
Not Laos and Cambodia. They are different countries

KId you're dodging. I knew you would, sissy's like you always do. The vietnam war was not fought in just Vietnam. Your shit can't/won't work on me.

The US extended the war into Laos and Cambodia

Your claiming that Pol Pot was a Vietnam stooge is incorrect

Damn you're stupid. The NVA and VC extended the war into those countries by establishing resupply routes through them. Now run along commie and try to sell your propaganda elsewhere.

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[OKTexas]

Why should they have?

Because we sacrificed almost 100,000 lives

That doesn't mean the tragic loss of those lives should've resulted in the U.S. benefiting any. That isn't the way the world tends to work.

Our current military strategy in a nutshell

Deploy around the globe not benefitting the American people

Thanks for proving you know nothing about the military and the value of forward deployed personnel and equipment.

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[OKTexas]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

Only because the politicians drug it out so long by tying the hands of the military. It would have been over in a couple of years if the military were unleashed. As was proven in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, micromanagement by politicians doesn't end well for us. But hey keep supporting those commies, you're really good at it.

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[OKTexas]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

When did they do that?

1968

Yet I was in Vietnam in 1970, go figure commie.

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[Desperado]

Consc

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY yes it is!
If you get drafted you do not have a choice, either serve in the army or spend time in jail. Sounds like slavery to me when you don't have a choice on how you live your life.

You could join the Navy or Chair Force.

true but enlistment was for 4 yeas instead of 2

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

America left Vietnam completely defeated. Their folly to eradicate communism in another country was a waste of 55000 lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries. The military left like a kicked dog.
The democrats had absolutely nothing to do with that. That's a typical Republican view wanting to blame democrats for everything. How pathetic.

Great. Another history revisionist and Communist admirer.
We withdrew from Vietnam in good order when the government ordered us to do so and until that time we successfully carried out our mission of defending South Vietnam. We lost nothing.
It was the US Congress (mostly democrats if I remember correctly) that failed in our commitment to an ally by denying furthers funds for resupply and possible air cover. It was the Congress that betrayed South Vietnam and our fallen soldiers.
We were winning when I left.

Notice these commies never once complain about all the foreign support Ho was getting from the Soviets, followed by the Red Chinese, it was only the U.S. 'interfering n stuff'.

Very true
But they didn’t put boots on the ground and bomb the hell out of the enemy like we did

 

[rightwinger]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

When did they do that?

1968

Yet I was in Vietnam in 1970, go figure commie.

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I honor your service but it has nothing to do with my post

 

[Desperado]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

Only because the politicians drug it out so long by tying the hands of the military. It would have been over in a couple of years if the military were unleashed. As was proven in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, micromanagement by politicians doesn't end well for us. But hey keep supporting those commies, you're really good at it.

.Not great examples because be have been in Iraq, and Afghanistan for almost20 year now

 

[Dayton3]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

America left Vietnam completely defeated. Their folly to eradicate communism in another country was a waste of 55000 lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries. The military left like a kicked dog.
The democrats had absolutely nothing to do with that. That's a typical Republican view wanting to blame democrats for everything. How pathetic.

Great. Another history revisionist and Communist admirer.
We withdrew from Vietnam in good order when the government ordered us to do so and until that time we successfully carried out our mission of defending South Vietnam. We lost nothing.
It was the US Congress (mostly democrats if I remember correctly) that failed in our commitment to an ally by denying furthers funds for resupply and possible air cover. It was the Congress that betrayed South Vietnam and our fallen soldiers.
We were winning when I left.

Notice these commies never once complain about all the foreign support Ho was getting from the Soviets, followed by the Red Chinese, it was only the U.S. 'interfering n stuff'.

Very true
But they didn’t put boots on the ground and bomb the hell out of the enemy like we did

The claims that the U.S. "bombed the hell out of the enemy (in Vietnam)" are way overstated. Most American bombing was on South Vietnam and most hit largely empty jungle areas.