Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[DudleySmith]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

America left Vietnam completely defeated. Their folly to eradicate communism in another country was a waste of 55000 lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries. The military left like a kicked dog.
The democrats had absolutely nothing to do with that. That's a typical Republican view wanting to blame democrats for everything. How pathetic.

Great. Another history revisionist and Communist admirer.
We withdrew from Vietnam in good order when the government ordered us to do so and until that time we successfully carried out our mission of defending South Vietnam. We lost nothing.
It was the US Congress (mostly democrats if I remember correctly) that failed in our commitment to an ally by denying furthers funds for resupply and possible air cover. It was the Congress that betrayed South Vietnam and our fallen soldiers.
We were winning when I left.

Notice these commies never once complain about all the foreign support Ho was getting from the Soviets, followed by the Red Chinese, it was only the U.S. 'interfering n stuff'.

Very true
But they didn’t put boots on the ground and bomb the hell out of the enemy like we did

Oh gee, cuz we threw more stuff in that was like, unfair n stuff... lol lol lol dumb point, but typical of the warped mentality of those who love ridiculous commie propaganda.

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

America left Vietnam completely defeated. Their folly to eradicate communism in another country was a waste of 55000 lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries. The military left like a kicked dog.
The democrats had absolutely nothing to do with that. That's a typical Republican view wanting to blame democrats for everything. How pathetic.

Great. Another history revisionist and Communist admirer.
We withdrew from Vietnam in good order when the government ordered us to do so and until that time we successfully carried out our mission of defending South Vietnam. We lost nothing.
It was the US Congress (mostly democrats if I remember correctly) that failed in our commitment to an ally by denying furthers funds for resupply and possible air cover. It was the Congress that betrayed South Vietnam and our fallen soldiers.
We were winning when I left.

Notice these commies never once complain about all the foreign support Ho was getting from the Soviets, followed by the Red Chinese, it was only the U.S. 'interfering n stuff'.

Very true
But they didn’t put boots on the ground and bomb the hell out of the enemy like we did

Oh gee, cuz we threw more stuff in that was like, unfair n stuff... lol lol lol dumb point, but typical of the warped mentality of those who love ridiculous commie propaganda.

I didn’t say it was unfair, I said it was stupid for us to get involved

 

[DudleySmith]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

Only because the politicians drug it out so long by tying the hands of the military. It would have been over in a couple of years if the military were unleashed. As was proven in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, micromanagement by politicians doesn't end well for us. But hey keep supporting those commies, you're really good at it.

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If Johnson had done that the right would have just snivled about him being a war criminal for violating the UN mandates. The fact is regardless of what McNamara, the Chiefs of Staff, and the CIA kept lying about, Johnson's policies defeated the Viet Kong and brought the North to the peace tables in just to years, and eventually led to the bankruptcy and defeat of the Kruschev/ Brezhnev Doctrine by 1973.

 

[DudleySmith]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

America left Vietnam completely defeated. Their folly to eradicate communism in another country was a waste of 55000 lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries. The military left like a kicked dog.
The democrats had absolutely nothing to do with that. That's a typical Republican view wanting to blame democrats for everything. How pathetic.

Great. Another history revisionist and Communist admirer.
We withdrew from Vietnam in good order when the government ordered us to do so and until that time we successfully carried out our mission of defending South Vietnam. We lost nothing.
It was the US Congress (mostly democrats if I remember correctly) that failed in our commitment to an ally by denying furthers funds for resupply and possible air cover. It was the Congress that betrayed South Vietnam and our fallen soldiers.
We were winning when I left.

Notice these commies never once complain about all the foreign support Ho was getting from the Soviets, followed by the Red Chinese, it was only the U.S. 'interfering n stuff'.

Very true
But they didn’t put boots on the ground and bomb the hell out of the enemy like we did

Oh gee, cuz we threw more stuff in that was like, unfair n stuff... lol lol lol dumb point, but typical of the warped mentality of those who love ridiculous commie propaganda.

I didn’t say it was unfair, I said it was stupid for us to get involved

Why? Because you read some bullshit by Noam Chomsky and some commie hippies about 'war sucks n stuff', and think isolationism was a wonderful idea, cuz all those countries that went commie were turned into paradises n stuff?

Letting Soviet and Red Chinese imperialism run wild with no restraints was never an option for sane people.

 

[Papageorgio]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

She admitted she betrayed our country, no room for you to try to change history.

 

[DudleySmith]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

You aren't my league, first you use statistics from the 80's and 90's when we're talking about the 60's and early 70's, now you're dodging again.

The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

We are talking about Vietnam being better off under the Communist leadership than under French and US occupation. My referencing the 80s and 90s shows that

Still waiting for you to show your claim that VIETNAM killed millions
Not Laos and Cambodia. They are different countries

KId you're dodging. I knew you would, sissy's like you always do. The vietnam war was not fought in just Vietnam. Your shit can't/won't work on me.

The US extended the war into Laos and Cambodia

Your claiming that Pol Pot was a Vietnam stooge is incorrect

Damn you're stupid. The NVA and VC extended the war into those countries by establishing resupply routes through them. Now run along commie and try to sell your propaganda elsewhere.

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Yes. But the commies never once called for any of their commie countries' leaders to be tried for war crimes, just Nixon and LBJ. They get their views on VN from Pravda, and the propaganda has never died out on the left. thanks to all the cretins who became university professors and keep the mythology alive among the dopers and sociopaths.

 

[DudleySmith]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

She admitted she betrayed our country, no room for you to try to change history.

She was also around 30 or older, so they can't claim she was just a 'naive yoof', either.

 

[Papageorgio]

If Bob Hope had spoken out against the war like Jane Fonda, Mainstream America would have stopped supporting it.

Instead, he sold the virtue of the war to the American public

Spitting on soldiers when they came home was support?

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

America left Vietnam completely defeated. Their folly to eradicate communism in another country was a waste of 55000 lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries. The military left like a kicked dog.
The democrats had absolutely nothing to do with that. That's a typical Republican view wanting to blame democrats for everything. How pathetic.

Great. Another history revisionist and Communist admirer.
We withdrew from Vietnam in good order when the government ordered us to do so and until that time we successfully carried out our mission of defending South Vietnam. We lost nothing.
It was the US Congress (mostly democrats if I remember correctly) that failed in our commitment to an ally by denying furthers funds for resupply and possible air cover. It was the Congress that betrayed South Vietnam and our fallen soldiers.
We were winning when I left.

Notice these commies never once complain about all the foreign support Ho was getting from the Soviets, followed by the Red Chinese, it was only the U.S. 'interfering n stuff'.

Very true
But they didn’t put boots on the ground and bomb the hell out of the enemy like we did

Oh gee, cuz we threw more stuff in that was like, unfair n stuff... lol lol lol dumb point, but typical of the warped mentality of those who love ridiculous commie propaganda.

I didn’t say it was unfair, I said it was stupid for us to get involved

Why? Because you read some bullshit by Noam Chomsky and some commie hippies about 'war sucks n stuff', and think isolationism was a wonderful idea, cuz all those countries that went commie were turned into paradises n stuff?

Letting Soviet and Red Chinese imperialism run wild with no restraints was never an option for sane people.

Amazing we still have these delusional wing nuts after 50 years.
History proved us wrong....most have acknowledged it

 

[rightwinger]

She admitted she betrayed our country, no room for you to try to change history.

Jane Fonda admits she made mistakes and has apologized for what she said about soldiers but not for opposing the war.

Most of those who pushed us into an unnecessary war have not apologized

 

[Papageorgio]

She admitted she betrayed our country, no room for you to try to change history.

Jane Fonda admits she made mistakes and has apologized for what she said about soldiers but not for opposing the war.

Most of those who pushed us into an unnecessary war have not apologized

She was not a patriot and admitted she wasn’t. So blow the idea she was a patriot out your ear.

 

[rightwinger]

She was not a patriot and admitted she wasn’t. So blow the idea she was a patriot out your ear.

She was more of a Patriot than John Wayne or Bob Hope.
She saw her country was making a horrible mistake and killing people on both sides needlessly. She was willing to sacrifice her career to fight for a just cause.
That makes her a Patriot

 

[Dayton3]

She was not a patriot and admitted she wasn’t. So blow the idea she was a patriot out your ear.

She was more of a Patriot than John Wayne or Bob Hope.
She saw her country was making a horrible mistake and killing people on both sides needlessly. She was willing to sacrifice her career to fight for a just cause.
That makes her a Patriot

Balderwash. Fonda was and always has been a shameless self promoter. Also she has an annoying habit of adopting the political causes of her various lovers at the time.

 

[Papageorgio]

She was not a patriot and admitted she wasn’t. So blow the idea she was a patriot out your ear.

She was more of a Patriot than John Wayne or Bob Hope.
She saw her country was making a horrible mistake and killing people on both sides needlessly. She was willing to sacrifice her career to fight for a just cause.
That makes her a Patriot

In your book I guess, in my book she was what she admitted to being, unpatrioti.

 

[rightwinger]

She was not a patriot and admitted she wasn’t. So blow the idea she was a patriot out your ear.

She was more of a Patriot than John Wayne or Bob Hope.
She saw her country was making a horrible mistake and killing people on both sides needlessly. She was willing to sacrifice her career to fight for a just cause.
That makes her a Patriot

Balderwash. Fonda was and always has been a shameless self promoter. Also she has an annoying habit of adopting the political causes of her various lovers at the time.

Jane Fonda could have taken the Ann Margaret route.
Henry Fonda’s daughter going on USO tours and kissing soldiers and being used by the Generals to show that the war wasn’t so bad. America would have loved her for it.

But she took the unpopular stand to oppose the war and her career suffered for it.

 

[Papageorgio]

She was not a patriot and admitted she wasn’t. So blow the idea she was a patriot out your ear.

She was more of a Patriot than John Wayne or Bob Hope.
She saw her country was making a horrible mistake and killing people on both sides needlessly. She was willing to sacrifice her career to fight for a just cause.
That makes her a Patriot

Balderwash. Fonda was and always has been a shameless self promoter. Also she has an annoying habit of adopting the political causes of her various lovers at the time.

Jane Fonda could have taken the Ann Margaret route.
Henry Fonda’s daughter going on USO tours and kissing soldiers and being used by the Generals to show that the war wasn’t so bad. America would have loved her for it.

But she took the unpopular stand to oppose the war and her career suffered for it.

Doesn’t change that she claimed she was not a patriot. She admitted so, she just has not remorse for being unpatriotic. She was figuratively spitting on the soldiers.

 

[Dayton3]

She was not a patriot and admitted she wasn’t. So blow the idea she was a patriot out your ear.

She was more of a Patriot than John Wayne or Bob Hope.
She saw her country was making a horrible mistake and killing people on both sides needlessly. She was willing to sacrifice her career to fight for a just cause.
That makes her a Patriot

Balderwash. Fonda was and always has been a shameless self promoter. Also she has an annoying habit of adopting the political causes of her various lovers at the time.

Jane Fonda could have taken the Ann Margaret route.
Henry Fonda’s daughter going on USO tours and kissing soldiers and being used by the Generals to show that the war wasn’t so bad. America would have loved her for it.

But she took the unpopular stand to oppose the war and her career suffered for it.

Not enough.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Fonda's buddy John Kerry bragged about being a war criminal, lied about his service, lied to Congress under oath about war crimes and the American soldier, and met with enemy representatives while we were at war. And the American commie hippies loves him for it. Being a traitor was the fashion and still is with some.

 

[PredFan]

Whether Jane Fonda was right about the war is irrelevant and stupid. There were many who were right about it and didn't cause prisoners to be tortured, or give solace to the enemy.

Jane Fonda will burn in hell as she deserves.

More myth
Fonda did not cause prisoners to be tortured

Revisionist history from lefties? No surprise there. She absolutely did. Former POWs said so and I believe them more than you.

 

[PredFan]

Whether Jane Fonda was right about the war is irrelevant and stupid. There were many who were right about it and didn't cause prisoners to be tortured, or give solace to the enemy.

Jane Fonda will burn in hell as she deserves.

More myth
Fonda did not cause prisoners to be tortured

Oh yes she did. When she met the prisoners to talk to and shake hands, some prisoners would slip her a note. When she finished, she turned to an NVA officer, handed him the notes and said, "What am I supposed to do with these." That night the beatings commenced and one POW died. That was reported in the 70s when POWs were freed.

Real actual history.