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Humanity , do you REALLY think that it is the plan of the State of Israel to 'conquer' and 'rule' from the Nile to the Euphrates? Seriously?
I think that Israel wouldn't mind having that territory however, in reality, I don't think it possible...
I also don't believe that the Israel would have many issues in expanding, as they are currently doing, into areas that are not theirs... For example, I am quite certain that Israel would happily incorporate Gaza into the State of Israel, for "security" reasons or otherwise...
Humanity , do you REALLY think that it is the plan of the State of Israel to 'conquer' and 'rule' from the Nile to the Euphrates? Seriously?
I think that Israel wouldn't mind having that territory however, in reality, I don't think it possible...
I also don't believe that the Israel would have many issues in expanding, as they are currently doing, into areas that are not theirs... For example, I am quite certain that Israel would happily incorporate Gaza into the State of Israel, for "security" reasons or otherwise...
Gaza, Judea and Samaria are NOT "Greater Israel", they are disputed territories still in need of resolution.
In order to make a claim that Israel is expansionist, you have to provide evidence that they intend to expand beyond the areas of dispute and into another State's sovereign territory.
So far, you have failed to do so.
Humanity , do you REALLY think that it is the plan of the State of Israel to 'conquer' and 'rule' from the Nile to the Euphrates? Seriously?
I think that Israel wouldn't mind having that territory however, in reality, I don't think it possible...
I also don't believe that the Israel would have many issues in expanding, as they are currently doing, into areas that are not theirs... For example, I am quite certain that Israel would happily incorporate Gaza into the State of Israel, for "security" reasons or otherwise...
Gaza, Judea and Samaria are NOT "Greater Israel", they are disputed territories still in need of resolution.
In order to make a claim that Israel is expansionist, you have to provide evidence that they intend to expand beyond the areas of dispute and into another State's sovereign territory.
So far, you have failed to do so.
Gaza is a "disputed" area? Seriously?
How about Golan Heights? Israel holding territory of another country, incorporating it into Israel, with no sign of returning it to the sovereign country, that is expansionism, and one that YOU agreed with!
Sorry, having an opinion different to you in not a fail is it... It's just an opinion... Of which both you and I are allowed...
Humanity , do you REALLY think that it is the plan of the State of Israel to 'conquer' and 'rule' from the Nile to the Euphrates? Seriously?
I think that Israel wouldn't mind having that territory however, in reality, I don't think it possible...
I also don't believe that the Israel would have many issues in expanding, as they are currently doing, into areas that are not theirs... For example, I am quite certain that Israel would happily incorporate Gaza into the State of Israel, for "security" reasons or otherwise...
Gaza, Judea and Samaria are NOT "Greater Israel", they are disputed territories still in need of resolution.
In order to make a claim that Israel is expansionist, you have to provide evidence that they intend to expand beyond the areas of dispute and into another State's sovereign territory.
So far, you have failed to do so.
Gaza is a "disputed" area? Seriously?
How about Golan Heights? Israel holding territory of another country, incorporating it into Israel, with no sign of returning it to the sovereign country, that is expansionism, and one that YOU agreed with!
Sorry, having an opinion different to you in not a fail is it... It's just an opinion... Of which both you and I are allowed...
Concerning the Golan Heights, Humanity, please read post #41 on this thread and tell us how you would deal with a situation like that.
Still posting that fake Pallywood photo? It's obvious the rifle is pointing sideways.Why do American soldiers have to fight wars for Israel?Yes, Thunderfart, please write to your congressperson and complain about the overwhelming American support for Israel. Maybe you can get a refund for the $10 a year you pay in taxes.Semitic sissies like Roudy put Israel first and America last. The corporate media tricks some Americans into supporting Israel, but the American people won't be fooled by these lies forever.Wrong again, Thunderfart, the entire American public is overwhelmingly in support of Israel.I thought our rights are inalienable and from God.All Group Rights Must Be Earned and Are Subject to Forfeiture
But the elites in the U.S. are supportive of Israel. Politicians are bribed to put Israeli interests above American interests.By their behavior, they declare themselves to be that way. We must respond to results, just like we'd take a certain product off the market if it turned out to be harmful, such as Thalidomide.
The people in power who turn anti-social elements loose on us know what they are doing. As you've shown by being so sure of yourself about ideas that were never your own in the first place, the elitists also drum suicidal civic ethics into us from the time we think we know how to think.
Why do American taxpayers have to pay billions to welfare queen Israel?
LRB · John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt · The Israel Lobby
Israeli soldiers are only good for fighting children.
Roudy, you haven't even tried to refute the statements I've made. Is this because you are a craven half-wit?
Hah! I can't believe you are contesting the Golan, and area which Assad's father attacked Israel from, especially after the way his genocidal son has been behaving. The way Assad has destroyed Syria today is what every one of those Arab leaders has fantasized about doing to Israel.Humanity , do you REALLY think that it is the plan of the State of Israel to 'conquer' and 'rule' from the Nile to the Euphrates? Seriously?
I think that Israel wouldn't mind having that territory however, in reality, I don't think it possible...
I also don't believe that the Israel would have many issues in expanding, as they are currently doing, into areas that are not theirs... For example, I am quite certain that Israel would happily incorporate Gaza into the State of Israel, for "security" reasons or otherwise...
Gaza, Judea and Samaria are NOT "Greater Israel", they are disputed territories still in need of resolution.
In order to make a claim that Israel is expansionist, you have to provide evidence that they intend to expand beyond the areas of dispute and into another State's sovereign territory.
So far, you have failed to do so.
Gaza is a "disputed" area? Seriously?
How about Golan Heights? Israel holding territory of another country, incorporating it into Israel, with no sign of returning it to the sovereign country, that is expansionism, and one that YOU agreed with!
Sorry, having an opinion different to you in not a fail is it... It's just an opinion... Of which both you and I are allowed...
Concerning the Golan Heights, Humanity, please read post #41 on this thread and tell us how you would deal with a situation like that.
I am very aware of the geography of the region...
Can I ask you, IF Golan Heights is for "security", in effect a 'buffer zone' why has Israel annexed the region? Introducing 'Golan Heights Law' which, in effect, brings Golan Heights under 'Israeli Law'...
If, as I read more times than I care to remember, it is for 'Security'... Why is it not under UN control?
Annexing Golan Heights is it not the first step to expansion of Israel? Surely, now that Golan Heights is considered Israel, at least BY Israel, isn't there a need for a further 'security buffer zone'?
And, I might suggest that Syria is rather occupied with their own issues without 'worrying' about Israel!
If the Israeli shot the children right in front of you, you'd deny it.Still posting that fake Pallywood photo? It's obvious the rifle is pointing sideways.Why do American soldiers have to fight wars for Israel?Yes, Thunderfart, please write to your congressperson and complain about the overwhelming American support for Israel. Maybe you can get a refund for the $10 a year you pay in taxes.Semitic sissies like Roudy put Israel first and America last. The corporate media tricks some Americans into supporting Israel, but the American people won't be fooled by these lies forever.Wrong again, Thunderfart, the entire American public is overwhelmingly in support of Israel.I thought our rights are inalienable and from God.
But the elites in the U.S. are supportive of Israel. Politicians are bribed to put Israeli interests above American interests.
Why do American taxpayers have to pay billions to welfare queen Israel?
LRB · John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt · The Israel Lobby
Israeli soldiers are only good for fighting children.
Roudy, you haven't even tried to refute the statements I've made. Is this because you are a craven half-wit?
So you jump from one Pallywood fake news item to another.If the Israeli shot the children right in front of you, you'd deny it.Still posting that fake Pallywood photo? It's obvious the rifle is pointing sideways.Why do American soldiers have to fight wars for Israel?Yes, Thunderfart, please write to your congressperson and complain about the overwhelming American support for Israel. Maybe you can get a refund for the $10 a year you pay in taxes.Semitic sissies like Roudy put Israel first and America last. The corporate media tricks some Americans into supporting Israel, but the American people won't be fooled by these lies forever.Wrong again, Thunderfart, the entire American public is overwhelmingly in support of Israel.
Why do American taxpayers have to pay billions to welfare queen Israel?
LRB · John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt · The Israel Lobby
Israeli soldiers are only good for fighting children.
Roudy, you haven't even tried to refute the statements I've made. Is this because you are a craven half-wit?
More facts for you to deny: Israel: 240 Palestinian Children 'Sexually Abused' in Jerusalem Detention Centres, Group Claims
Humanity , do you REALLY think that it is the plan of the State of Israel to 'conquer' and 'rule' from the Nile to the Euphrates? Seriously?
I think that Israel wouldn't mind having that territory however, in reality, I don't think it possible...
I also don't believe that the Israel would have many issues in expanding, as they are currently doing, into areas that are not theirs... For example, I am quite certain that Israel would happily incorporate Gaza into the State of Israel, for "security" reasons or otherwise...
Gaza, Judea and Samaria are NOT "Greater Israel", they are disputed territories still in need of resolution.
In order to make a claim that Israel is expansionist, you have to provide evidence that they intend to expand beyond the areas of dispute and into another State's sovereign territory.
So far, you have failed to do so.
Gaza is a "disputed" area? Seriously?
How about Golan Heights? Israel holding territory of another country, incorporating it into Israel, with no sign of returning it to the sovereign country, that is expansionism, and one that YOU agreed with!
Sorry, having an opinion different to you in not a fail is it... It's just an opinion... Of which both you and I are allowed...
Concerning the Golan Heights, Humanity, please read post #41 on this thread and tell us how you would deal with a situation like that.
I am very aware of the geography of the region...
Can I ask you, IF Golan Heights is for "security", in effect a 'buffer zone' why has Israel annexed the region? Introducing 'Golan Heights Law' which, in effect, brings Golan Heights under 'Israeli Law'...
If, as I read more times than I care to remember, it is for 'Security'... Why is it not under UN control?
Annexing Golan Heights is it not the first step to expansion of Israel? Surely, now that Golan Heights is considered Israel, at least BY Israel, isn't there a need for a further 'security buffer zone'?
And, I might suggest that Syria is rather occupied with their own issues without 'worrying' about Israel!
Gaza is a "disputed" area? Seriously?
Sorry, having an opinion different to you in not a fail is it... It's just an opinion... Of which both you and I are allowed...
The border between Syria and Israel has never been "signed off" in a treaty agreement between the two sovereigns, so the Golan Heights is still a disputed territory (though Israel has officially annexed it.) What I originally said was that this is the only possible area where you could show some sort of intent by Israel to expand into sovereign territory of other States.How about Golan Heights? Israel holding territory of another country, incorporating it into Israel, with no sign of returning it to the sovereign country, that is expansionism, and one that YOU agreed with!
What happened to you? Yes, I know that there are some extremist Israeli's that want this Greater Israel that you speak of. Just like there are extremists on the other side that want the total destruction of Israel.Humanity , do you REALLY think that it is the plan of the State of Israel to 'conquer' and 'rule' from the Nile to the Euphrates? Seriously?
I think that Israel wouldn't mind having that territory however, in reality, I don't think it possible...
I also don't believe that the Israel would have many issues in expanding, as they are currently doing, into areas that are not theirs... For example, I am quite certain that Israel would happily incorporate Gaza into the State of Israel, for "security" reasons or otherwise...
It already does!
Encroaches on the sovereignty of another State? Well, we could discuss that. I don't think you have much of a case. The one place where you might argue that Israel encroaches upon another sovereign State is arguably necessary for security.
However, the implication of the OP is that Israel would attempt to take territory from other sovereign States for the sole purpose of Imperial expansionism. That is silly. And entirely lacking evidence.
You say I don't have much of a case and then prove my case?!?!
Incorporating Golan Heights into Israel with the Golan Heights Law does NOT make it any kind of 'buffer zone' it simply extends Israel! That in itself is expansionism!
Greater Israel? Israel is currently sitting on less than 1% of the land Muslims control in the ME, you delusional moron.I'm interested in the ideas of Israel not only controlling Israel and Palestine but also the expansion into what is commonly called "Greater Israel"...
I certainly believe that Israel has no intention of ever allowing a Palestinian state to exist... But would Israel stop there?
You take the "delusional moron" title everytime!
Yes, Israel is sitting on less than 1% of land in the ME... Well done...
It was a question about the expansion of Israel in the future, you know, being larger than the current 1% you moron...
Try and keep up Roudy or at least read the comments BEFORE you look like a fool AGAIN with your stupid inane posts!
Sigh. same old twist on the truth Monti. Not all converted to Christianity. The Jews moved north.Actually "For the loss". For the win is the fact that it is documented that the Palestinians were called Palestinians at least as early as the fourth century AD. Of course, Palestine was a Christian land in 380 AD. The treatise below is about the Palestinian martyrs that died ealier on so, it can be assumed that the Palestinians were called Palestinians from when the territory was named Palaestina by the Romans.<snip>
Can I ask you, IF Golan Heights is for "security", in effect a 'buffer zone' why has Israel annexed the region? Introducing 'Golan Heights Law' which, in effect, brings Golan Heights under 'Israeli Law'...
If, as I read more times than I care to remember, it is for 'Security'... Why is it not under UN control?
It is pretty clear that unless there is substantial resistance from the U.S. the Jews will implement a greater Israel and continue their subjugation of non-Jews they rule over. Even the pro-Israel U.S press is preparing Americans for the eventuality.
“I think we should no longer think of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, but Palestinian settlements in Israel,” Danny Danon, deputy defense minister, said in an interview.
Danon, recently elected to head the central committee of the Likud party, imagines an archipelago of Palestinian cities — Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah and Hebron — as Arab islands in an Israeli sea.
“The Jewish people are not settlers in the West Bank, but Israel will make the Palestinians settlers...The debate among annexationists is not whether to take greater control of the West Bank — it is how much to take.....Uri Ariel, the housing minister, has said he would start with Area C and continue to assert sovereignty in stages to eventually annex all of the West Bank.
Ariel said Palestinians who wish to become citizens would have to apply and meet criteria such as speaking Hebrew and pledging allegiance to Israel."
Israeli right says no to two states, yes to Greater Israel
PioneersIt already does!
Encroaches on the sovereignty of another State? Well, we could discuss that. I don't think you have much of a case. The one place where you might argue that Israel encroaches upon another sovereign State is arguably necessary for security.
However, the implication of the OP is that Israel would attempt to take territory from other sovereign States for the sole purpose of Imperial expansionism. That is silly. And entirely lacking evidence.
You say I don't have much of a case and then prove my case?!?!
Incorporating Golan Heights into Israel with the Golan Heights Law does NOT make it any kind of 'buffer zone' it simply extends Israel! That in itself is expansionism!
Israel didn't ask for the Golan Heights. The Golan was an estrategic grab. Syria chose to get involved in a war and it lost. It's was their problem. ISrael kept the Hermon since it was a high point and any future attack could be seen and expected.
What's the lesson? don't pick on the wrong kid.
No such thing as a Palestinian for the last 700 years of the Ottoman Empire.^^^ quoted for the win!For 2,000 years, the people called 'Palestinians' were Jews. The word didn't come to mean Arabs only until after 1967.
Actually "For the loss". For the win is the fact that it is documented that the Palestinians were called Palestinians at least as early as the fourth century AD. Of course, Palestine was a Christian land in 380 AD. The treatise below is about the Palestinian martyrs that died ealier on so, it can be assumed that the Palestinians were called Palestinians from when the territory was named Palaestina by the Romans.
"De martyribus Palestinae" (The Palestinian Martyrs)
A manuscript dated 411 AD by Eusebio of Cesarea, born in Caesarea Maritima, Palestine.
La tradizione manoscritta delle agiografie dei martiri palestinesi
In English:
(The manuscriptual tradition of the Palestinian martyrs)
Martiri palestinesi nell’Occidente latino. I casi della Passio Theodosiae virginis (BHL 8090) e della Passio Romani monachi (BHL 7298)
I don't see any mention about Arab Syrians.
Of course not, the indigenous people of Palestine did not become known as Arabs until they adopted the language of the Arabians. They were known as Palestinians, as the text confirms. Arab is a cultural and linguistic distinction, like Hispanic.
Sigh. same old twist on the truth Monti. Not all converted to Christianity. The Jews moved north.Actually "For the loss". For the win is the fact that it is documented that the Palestinians were called Palestinians at least as early as the fourth century AD. Of course, Palestine was a Christian land in 380 AD. The treatise below is about the Palestinian martyrs that died ealier on so, it can be assumed that the Palestinians were called Palestinians from when the territory was named Palaestina by the Romans.<snip>
In the 20th century up until the declaration of Independence by the State of Israel, the Jews were called "Palestinians", the Arabs refused to be called that.
