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Voinovich is wishy washy, I can't wait until he retires. I love my other senator, Sherrod Brown, he is so smart and decisive, I hope we get another one just like him.
It's been annoying with Voinovich and DeWine as Ohio Senators, both coasting to retirement for the past 10 years.
Geezus, go already..
I think it's funny when Repubs start eating their own.![]()
I don't know how your premise negates the general point editec was making here:
I think there IS a significant difference in basic values between the Southerners and (certainly at least the ) North-easterners.
We see it manifesting in election after election, after all.
Denying it is silly.
We even see it within the republican party, after all, and the democratic party, too.
The so called moderate Republicans are almost all from the NE.
The so-called bluedog Dems are almost all from the South and West.
In some ways the war between the states has never ended.
The shooting stopped, but the battle continues politically.
I absolutely disagree. There are plenty of urbanized cities down south, and even before the war they existed, to some degree. Up north, there are less, but still a goodly portion of the north quite rural.I don't know how your premise negates the general point editec was making here:
I think there IS a significant difference in basic values between the Southerners and (certainly at least the ) North-easterners.
We see it manifesting in election after election, after all.
Denying it is silly.
We even see it within the republican party, after all, and the democratic party, too.
The so called moderate Republicans are almost all from the NE.
The so-called bluedog Dems are almost all from the South and West.
In some ways the war between the states has never ended.
The shooting stopped, but the battle continues politically.
Actually I was responding to the OP, but if you're interested I would say this is a common fallacy held by northerners.
The real significant differences in basic values isn't between the north and the south, it is between rural and urban citizenry. It masquerades as north-south divide only due to the overwhelming urbanization of the north-east.
I don't know how your premise negates the general point editec was making here:
Actually I was responding to the OP, but if you're interested I would say this is a common fallacy held by northerners.
The real significant differences in basic values isn't between the north and the south, it is between rural and urban citizenry. It masquerades as north-south divide only due to the overwhelming urbanization of the north-east.
I absolutely disagree. There are plenty of urbanized cities down south, and even before the war they existed, to some degree.
Up north, there are less, but still a goodly portion of the north quite rural.
Your notion is the fallacy, imo.
Actually I was responding to the OP, but if you're interested I would say this is a common fallacy held by northerners.
The real significant differences in basic values isn't between the north and the south, it is between rural and urban citizenry. It masquerades as north-south divide only due to the overwhelming urbanization of the north-east.
Actually I was responding to the OP, but if you're interested I would say this is a common fallacy held by northerners.
The real significant differences in basic values isn't between the north and the south, it is between rural and urban citizenry. It masquerades as north-south divide only due to the overwhelming urbanization of the north-east.
Really now? So tell me, which Southern States have Gay Marriage legalized? Which states have the strongest gun control? Which states voted for Obama more often?
It is ignorant to ignore the fact that it is partly about culture. There are plenty of urban areas here in the North East that are blue.
President Carter(D)...Southerner, born Plains GA
President Reagan(R)...Northerner, born Tampico IL
President Bush Sr(R)...Northerner, born in Milton, MA
President Clinton(D)...Southerner, born in Hope, AR
President Bush Jr(R)...Northerner, born in New Haven CT
President Obama(D)...Neither, born in Hawaii (or perhaps Kenya)
So tell me again who has the Southern influence?
I don't give a flying fuck where the POTUS was born.
Look at the whole picture of elections over the last fifty years and tell me there's no fundamental difference between these two culturals.
So it's not where there from or the culture they were raised in that counts...it's what they believe that's important?
Funny...that was my point too.
I don't know how your premise negates the general point editec was making here:
I think there IS a significant difference in basic values between the Southerners and (certainly at least the ) North-easterners.
We see it manifesting in election after election, after all.
Denying it is silly.
We even see it within the republican party, after all, and the democratic party, too.
The so called moderate Republicans are almost all from the NE.
The so-called bluedog Dems are almost all from the South and West.
In some ways the war between the states has never ended.
The shooting stopped, but the battle continues politically.
Actually I was responding to the OP, but if you're interested I would say this is a common fallacy held by northerners.
And Southerners, too. Except it's no fallacy
The real significant differences in basic values isn't between the north and the south, it is between rural and urban citizenry.
Yes, that is partially true, also.
Still the difference in values are clearly manifesting between NE election outcomes v Southern election outcomes.
Why?
Which place is more URBAN, and which is more RURAL?
It masquerades as north-south divide only due to the overwhelming urbanization of the north-east.
it doesn't "maquerade" it manifests.
If it merely maqueraded, the results would not show up in election after election so consistently.
And Southerners, too. Except it's no fallacy
Yes, that is partially true, also.
Still the difference in values are clearly manifesting between NE election outcomes v Southern election outcomes.
Why?
Which place is more URBAN, and which is more RURAL?
It masquerades as north-south divide only due to the overwhelming urbanization of the north-east.
it doesn't "maquerade" it manifests.
If it merely maqueraded, the results would not show up in election after election so consistently.