Voter Suppression, true or false

[KNB]

The answer is, you don't have any, 0, zip, nada.

But I can bet you that there were liberals from California raising hell when Florida changed it's early voting from 12 full days and 4 half days, equaling 96 hours to 8 days of up to 12 hours, equaling 96 hours.

Now why would Californian liberals attack Florida for making their early voting more flexible, depending on the county's needs instead of attacking California and a bunch of other liberal states that don't even have early voting?

You actually have to prove that anyone in California, left or right, had anything to say about Florida's early voting law in order to be offended by anyone in California saying anything about Florida's early voting law.

 

[Avatar4321]

How many cases of voter fraud were reported in 2012?

So because it's not reported, it doesn't happen? Really?

So say I kill you and it's not reported have you suddenly been returned to life?

In your fucked up mind, a complete lack of evidence is evidence of widespread crime.

That makes sense if you don't think about it.

Says the person trying to argue that Republicans are trying to "suppress" the vote.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

I haven't yet read anything which might suggest a controversy, it seems those that claim voter suppression is not a Republican strategy have no evidence to prove their case, or even raise doubt.

Why would ANY tactic of voter suppression by either party benefit one side over another? It is an old wives tale that those politically active are any more dedicated than your average Joe on the street, who also enjoys participating.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Wry, how many days and hours of Early Voting do you get in California?

I don't know. Our family always goes to the polls on election day and then out to breakfast. It is our democratic tradition. I know we can vote by mail, and that does not require a picture ID, a long wait in line, or risk a hanging chad.

The answer is, you don't have any, 0, zip, nada.

But I can bet you that there were liberals from California raising hell when Florida changed it's early voting from 12 full days and 4 half days, equaling 96 hours to 8 days of up to 12 hours, equaling 96 hours.

Now why would Californian liberals attack Florida for making their early voting more flexible, depending on the county's needs instead of attacking California and a bunch of other liberal states that don't even have early voting?

I would guess there is no need. When we receive our ballots in the mail, we can vote that day by mail. How voting works or doesn't in other states is something I know little about. What I do know is that states with Republican Governors and Republican majorities in the state legislatures are working very hard to suppress the vote. Only a liar or a fool suggests otherwise.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

As we saw with Obama and the sensation that preceded his election, it is the prospect of the candidate and what new he can do for them that is what really counts.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

False

You're argument along with supporting evidence is missing. I'm sure that was an oversight so please post evidence that the Republican Party today comports with President Reagan's final official remarks.

I didn't present an argument. I simply answered your question.

Truth is, there is no proof that voter ID laws or shortening the voting hours harm just one party. Both parties play by the same rules. You said that they've closed polling places in democrat rich areas. How are you drawing that conclusion? And just where is this happening? All over the US or just one state?

Fact is you haven't provided any proof yourself.

 

[peach174]

Republicans are not only requiring IDs but they are involved in:
-Making the registration process, difficult.
-Shortening Voting days and hours.
-Closing up balloting stations in Democratic areas.

There is clear and convincing evidence for an honest person to conclude that the Republican Party is dishonest, undemocratic and understands their ideas benefit the few at the expense of the many.

Thus, those who fear the masses, the Plutocrats, will spend enormous amounts of money to aid the Republicans in their effort to win at any cost, even when the cost will be to destroy that Shining City on the Hill President Reagan described in his final address:

Reagan's shining city on a hill in his farewell address - YouTube

How far the Republican Party has fallen is apparent to all honest citizens.

It's FALSE
It is Progressives in both parties that is destroying the Shining City on the Hill
Where is the court evidence for the left wing talking points you just put up?
Spending large amounts of money on political ads does not control the voters.
Dems outspent the Repubs on trying to recall the Governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker and it did not work.

With all due respect, you need to watch the video and listen to President Reagan's words. Then read my post and comport his words with the Republican strategy of today. Then respond; agree or not but post some evidence that what I proposed is not true.

I did watch it.
What did Regan always say - "the government is the problem".
People voted in a Progressive President right after Regan (Bush Sr.), then anotherProgressive President Clinton, then another Progressive (Bush Jr.) now another Progressive Obama.
The last two - Bush and Obama have both done many more things that is taking away our Constitutional rights.
Each and every one of them have gotten bigger and bigger Government that has been talking away our rights.

 

[Brain357]

I'll start to believe something needs to be done when we have over 100 percent of people voting. Till then it is suppression.

 

[guno]

Republicans are not only requiring IDs but they are involved in:
-Making the registration process, difficult.
-Shortening Voting days and hours.
-Closing up balloting stations in Democratic areas.

There is clear and convincing evidence for an honest person to conclude that the Republican Party is dishonest, undemocratic and understands their ideas benefit the few at the expense of the many.

Thus, those who fear the masses, the Plutocrats, will spend enormous amounts of money to aid the Republicans in their effort to win at any cost, even when the cost will be to destroy that Shining City on the Hill President Reagan described in his final address:

Reagan's shining city on a hill in his farewell address - YouTube

How far the Republican Party has fallen is apparent to all honest citizens.

 

[ClosedCaption]

So because it's not reported, it doesn't happen? Really?

So say I kill you and it's not reported have you suddenly been returned to life?

In your fucked up mind, a complete lack of evidence is evidence of widespread crime.

That makes sense if you don't think about it.

Says the person trying to argue that Republicans are trying to "suppress" the vote.

Thats kinda the same thing if you ignore the part about evidence and you not having any

 

[KNB]

People voted in a Progressive President right after Regan (Bush Sr.)....

Just stop right there.

The ex-director of the CIA and right-wing wet dream Ronald Reagan's vice president, George Herbert Walker Bush, was a Progressive?

George HW Bush used US Army soldiers in domestic law enforcement in California. There isn't anything Progressive about that.

How can anyone even try to make that claim?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

I'll start to believe something needs to be done when we have over 100 percent of people voting. Till then it is suppression.

If everyone voted, that would be a sign we are just robots.

 

[Wry Catcher]

False

You're argument along with supporting evidence is missing. I'm sure that was an oversight so please post evidence that the Republican Party today comports with President Reagan's final official remarks.

I didn't present an argument. I simply answered your question.

Truth is, there is no proof that voter ID laws or shortening the voting hours harm just one party. Both parties play by the same rules. You said that they've closed polling places in democrat rich areas. How are you drawing that conclusion? And just where is this happening? All over the US or just one state?

Fact is you haven't provided any proof yourself.

I wasn't so explicit as to state one party was the target, though I believe it to be true by inference (others posted polling places were closed in largely Democratic areas).

The facts are efforts to end "voter fraud" are being put forth in states with Republican Governors and majorities of Republicans in their legislatures. I've read very few instances of indictments and/or convictions for fraud and the few I've heard of were unrelated to conspiracies to change an election.

Face it. The Republican Party is losing membership; the professional pols know it and that is why this entire voter fraud charade was conceived. We all saw long lines during the last election, and those lines were in largely Democratic Districts most noticeably in Ohio and Florida.

Huge turnout, long lines for early voting in Ohio | cleveland.com

Orlando Sentinel frustrated voters: Analysis: 201,000 didn't vote because of long lines - Orlando Sentinel

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfd5CcgzBdo]5 Hour Wait to Vote in Woodbridge, VA - YouTube[/ame]

 

[blackhawk]

Here's the truth the left will always claim it's true the right will claim it's not both will cherry pick stuff to back up their claim and the truth be dam.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Here's the truth the left will always claim it's true the right will claim it's not both will cherry pick stuff to back up their claim and the truth be dam.

False the right hasnt provided any information that this is not happening. None. They just type "Nuuuhhh uhhhh" and then someone like you comes in saying its a draw

 

[peach174]

People voted in a Progressive President right after Regan (Bush Sr.)....

Just stop right there.

The ex-director of the CIA and right-wing wet dream Ronald Reagan's vice president, George Herbert Walker Bush, was a Progressive?

George HW Bush used US Army soldiers in domestic law enforcement in California. There isn't anything Progressive about that.

How can anyone even try to make that claim?

Bush Sr. was a big government supporter. He was all for the one world government and he was the one who signed the U.N. Agenda 21. He was also another liar in chief when he said no new taxes.

The United States is a signatory country to Agenda 21, but because Agenda 21 is a legally non-binding statement of intent and not a treaty, the United States Senate was not required to hold a formal debate or vote on it. It is therefore not considered to be law under Article Six of the United States Constitution. President George Bush was one of the 178 heads of government who signed the final text of the agreement at the Earth Summit in 1992, and in the same year Representatives Nancy Pelosi, Eliot Engel and William Broomfield spoke in support of United States House of Representatives Concurrent Resolution 353, supporting implementation of Agenda 21 in the United States.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You're argument along with supporting evidence is missing. I'm sure that was an oversight so please post evidence that the Republican Party today comports with President Reagan's final official remarks.

I didn't present an argument. I simply answered your question.

Truth is, there is no proof that voter ID laws or shortening the voting hours harm just one party. Both parties play by the same rules. You said that they've closed polling places in democrat rich areas. How are you drawing that conclusion? And just where is this happening? All over the US or just one state?

Fact is you haven't provided any proof yourself.

I wasn't so explicit as to state one party was the target, though I believe it to be true by inference (others posted polling places were closed in largely Democratic areas).

The facts are efforts to end "voter fraud" are being put forth in states with Republican Governors and majorities of Republicans in their legislatures. I've read very few instances of indictments and/or convictions for fraud and the few I've heard of were unrelated to conspiracies to change an election.

Face it. The Republican Party is losing membership; the professional pols know it and that is why this entire voter fraud charade was conceived. We all saw long lines during the last election, and those lines were in largely Democratic Districts most noticeably in Ohio and Florida.

Huge turnout, long lines for early voting in Ohio | cleveland.com

Orlando Sentinel frustrated voters: Analysis: 201,000 didn't vote because of long lines - Orlando Sentinel

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfd5CcgzBdo]5 Hour Wait to Vote in Woodbridge, VA - YouTube[/ame]

I would think every one would want to end "voter fraud" and apparently only Republican Governors are willing to do so.

The long lines are a problem but whose fault is it? Most states has either early voting or absentee voting so there is no excuse. Especially in Florida and Ohio where they have both.

 

[The Rabbi]

Republicans are not only requiring IDs but they are involved in:
-Making the registration process, difficult.
-Shortening Voting days and hours.
-Closing up balloting stations in Democratic areas.

There is clear and convincing evidence for an honest person to conclude that the Republican Party is dishonest, undemocratic and understands their ideas benefit the few at the expense of the many.

Thus, those who fear the masses, the Plutocrats, will spend enormous amounts of money to aid the Republicans in their effort to win at any cost, even when the cost will be to destroy that Shining City on the Hill President Reagan described in his final address:



How far the Republican Party has fallen is apparent to all honest citizens.

False.

 

[Wry Catcher]

People voted in a Progressive President right after Regan (Bush Sr.)....

Just stop right there.

The ex-director of the CIA and right-wing wet dream Ronald Reagan's vice president, George Herbert Walker Bush, was a Progressive?

George HW Bush used US Army soldiers in domestic law enforcement in California. There isn't anything Progressive about that.

How can anyone even try to make that claim?

Bush Sr. was a big government supporter. He was all for the one world government and he was the one who signed the U.N. Agenda 21. He was also another liar in chief when he said no new taxes.

The United States is a signatory country to Agenda 21, but because Agenda 21 is a legally non-binding statement of intent and not a treaty, the United States Senate was not required to hold a formal debate or vote on it. It is therefore not considered to be law under Article Six of the United States Constitution. President George Bush was one of the 178 heads of government who signed the final text of the agreement at the Earth Summit in 1992, and in the same year Representatives Nancy Pelosi, Eliot Engel and William Broomfield spoke in support of United States House of Representatives Concurrent Resolution 353, supporting implementation of Agenda 21 in the United States.

^^^ which has nothing to do with the issue at hand: Voter suppression, true or false.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's more difficult to cash a check at the convenience store than it is to vote.

I think it's just hype that anyone wants to suppress legal voters. There is an effort, however, to stop illegal voters.

When the Dems call something as simple as voter ID suppression, it's easy to see why this myth continues to be repeated.

Registering to vote should require some proof of ID. The law is clear that only legal citizens can vote and that means there is an obligation to ensure that no one other than citizens are able to register and vote. States have made this impossible by granting driver's licenses to those here illegally. By doing that, they invited fraud and now don't want any safeguards in place to ensure that those illegal aliens don't show up at the polls. Gee, you'd think the whole problem was created just so they could make false claims about those who try to solve it and keep our voting system honest.

I am also tired of liberals claiming that minorities can't do something as simple as obtain an ID. Just how stupid do liberals think minorities are anyway? If a person has no ID, they cannot obtain housing, a job, a checking account, a loan, a credit card, a plane ticket, welfare or purchase alcohol or cigarettes. I don't believe there are a lot of legal citizens walking around with absolutely no form of ID who have no access to the welfare system or a job. Only illegal aliens would face those obstacles and perhaps the rare individual who lives completely under the radar. Usually, people who have no identity have a reason for hiding and making sure they have no paper trail.

With all due respect, you need to watch the video and listen to President Reagan's words. Then read my post and comport his words with the Republican strategy of today. Then respond honestly, or ...

this post # 40 and you're a racist and a liar.....you think blacks are too dumb to get registered or even proper I.D.


Racist......