Walker cuts $300 million from university budget then gives $200 million to the NBA

Conservatives and education

Rush Limbaugh: Never finished college
Sean Hannity: Never finished college
Glen Beck: Never finished college
Scott Walker: Never finished college

All seek to destroy our education system.

Book learn'n ....who needs it?
and yet all are successful at what they do.....hey just sayin....

So is Justin Beiber
so you agree than that just because you did not go to collage and get a degree you can still be very successful .....
 
Exactly as I thought - you probably have some meaningless liberal arts degree that took you five years to get, and now you have the nerve to tell people how important a college degree is. I got news for you - if you're an example of what a college education gets you - that's an argument not to go.

Engineering actually

Been doing it for over 35 years and can say without a doubt that the people I graduated High School with that went on to get college degrees did better than those who did not

Rocko.....You look like you could use a Sig




.

Totally irrelevant when discussing individuals. In this case, we have Scott Walker vs Obama and Hillary. Walker is highly successful and respected, Obama a failure, and Hillary a bystander. There is absolutely no reason to think Walker deciding not to finish a last semester in school in any way reduces his ability to run the country better than Obama has been doing. As for Hillary, she has a degree, but no accomplishments. We'd be better off with Walker.

Walker is the worst Governor in the history of Wisconsin.....probably the worst ever

He has never accomplished anything in life or as governor

When all else is lost, return to the original regurgitation. Don't worry, I'm sure the second page will be coming through any day now, any day now.

Of course, let's not talk about the reality that he has accomplished more than Hillary has and Obama had before he was elected.

Obama is a Nobel Peace Prize winner

Most of the world has never heard of Wisconsin or it's miserable excuse for a governor
Obama is a Nobel Peace Prize winner
so was arafat....:dunno:
 
Conservatives hate public education, they want to destroy even those schools that are doing well.
show me how they hate it?.....i cant tell you how many "conservatives' i delivered mail to who were teachers or had degrees and whose kids were in school...you have been listening to dean to much....
 
Conservatives hate public education, they want to destroy even those schools that are doing well.

Conservatives hate the fact that the US spends more money on "education" than any country in the world but has the most dismal results. It is done it wrong. Money doesn't produce good education. Parents caring about their children is what produces good education. The Free Shit Army welfare queens don't give a crap about their children and that is the reason the education fails.

Conservatives also hate the fact that Libtards use money allocated to education to pay bloated union salaries and benefits in return for campaign donations to Democrats.
What dumb asses democrats are. Where do they think the money comes from for public education?
 
Conservatives hate public education, they want to destroy even those schools that are doing well.
show me how they hate it?.....i cant tell you how many "conservatives' i delivered mail to who were teachers or had degrees and whose kids were in school...you have been listening to dean to much....
I'm reading the help wanted adds today... the government mail room was hiring a guy to deliver internal mail.. they wanted a bachelors degree. Why the effing hell does a government building's internal mail room delivery guy need a bachelor's degree? WTF? They're gonna pay the guy 50+ k to deliver internal mail items? WTF?
 
My Jap vehicle wasn't made fucking union pukes. It was made by non union Texans.

I don't think any of the Japanese or German unions gave Obama and the Democrats a billion either expecting something in return, did they?

You missed the point entirely, but you aren't very bright, are you? Point was, the only reason why Scabs are making cars in Texas is because after those unionized "Japs" beat the Big Three into the poorhouse in the 1980's, Ronald Reagan- yes, THAT Ronald Reagan - passed some anti-dumping laws that required the Japanese manufacturers to do final assembly in the US of SOME cars.

No, you missed my point.

Foreign companies make good cars here in the US with mostly non union workers. Much better than that UAW shit put out by GM and Chrysler.

GM and Chrysler (which by the way is a foreign company) put out shit vehicles that were way over priced for the junk that they were and that is the reason why the companies were in trouble. The vehicles were not good value for the money. A substantial part of that over price was caused by the UAW's inefficiency and greed.

There was no reason for the filthy ass government to take money from people that earned it and give it to shitheads that couldn't earn it on their own.

It is interesting to know that you Libtards support bailing out giant corporations that can't make it on their own. I thought you dimwits hated big corporations. You need to get your story straight.

The worse part of that deal was that it was not made for any good reason except to pay back the filthy unions that gave money to Obama and the Democrats. The American people got screwed on it and the union fat cats got fatter.
 
Conservatives hate public education, they want to destroy even those schools that are doing well.
show me how they hate it?.....i cant tell you how many "conservatives' i delivered mail to who were teachers or had degrees and whose kids were in school...you have been listening to dean to much....
I'm reading the help wanted adds today... the government mail room was hiring a guy to deliver internal mail.. they wanted a bachelors degree. Why the effing hell does a government building's internal mail room delivery guy need a bachelor's degree? WTF? They're gonna pay the guy 50+ k to deliver internal mail items? WTF?
That is what happens when something becomes plentiful (anything) - it becomes worthless.

A BA no longer means squat because you cant swing a dead cat without hitting someone with one. It becomes a 'why not' requirement.
 
Conservatives hate public education, they want to destroy even those schools that are doing well.
show me how they hate it?.....i cant tell you how many "conservatives' i delivered mail to who were teachers or had degrees and whose kids were in school...you have been listening to dean to much....
I'm reading the help wanted adds today... the government mail room was hiring a guy to deliver internal mail.. they wanted a bachelors degree. Why the effing hell does a government building's internal mail room delivery guy need a bachelor's degree? WTF? They're gonna pay the guy 50+ k to deliver internal mail items? WTF?
That is what happens when something becomes plentiful (anything) - it becomes worthless.

A BA no longer means squat because you cant swing a dead cat without hitting someone with one. It becomes a 'why not' requirement.
Spend 120 grand to get a 4year degree for delivering packages of mail? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?
 
My Jap vehicle wasn't made fucking union pukes. It was made by non union Texans.

I don't think any of the Japanese or German unions gave Obama and the Democrats a billion either expecting something in return, did they?

You missed the point entirely, but you aren't very bright, are you? Point was, the only reason why Scabs are making cars in Texas is because after those unionized "Japs" beat the Big Three into the poorhouse in the 1980's, Ronald Reagan- yes, THAT Ronald Reagan - passed some anti-dumping laws that required the Japanese manufacturers to do final assembly in the US of SOME cars.

No, you missed my point.

Foreign companies make good cars here in the US with mostly non union workers. Much better than that UAW shit put out by GM and Chrysler.

GM and Chrysler (which by the way is a foreign company) put out shit vehicles that were way over priced for the junk that they were and that is the reason why the companies were in trouble. The vehicles were not good value for the money. A substantial part of that over price was caused by the UAW's inefficiency and greed.

There was no reason for the filthy ass government to take money from people that earned it and give it to shitheads that couldn't earn it on their own.

It is interesting to know that you Libtards support bailing out giant corporations that can't make it on their own. I thought you dimwits hated big corporations. You need to get your story straight.

The worse part of that deal was that it was not made for any good reason except to pay back the filthy unions that gave money to Obama and the Democrats. The American people got screwed on it and the union fat cats got fatter.
i have had those shitty GM cars since 1990 and have never had any problem with any of them....:dunno:
 
Conservatives hate public education, they want to destroy even those schools that are doing well.
show me how they hate it?.....i cant tell you how many "conservatives' i delivered mail to who were teachers or had degrees and whose kids were in school...you have been listening to dean to much....
I'm reading the help wanted adds today... the government mail room was hiring a guy to deliver internal mail.. they wanted a bachelors degree. Why the effing hell does a government building's internal mail room delivery guy need a bachelor's degree? WTF? They're gonna pay the guy 50+ k to deliver internal mail items? WTF?
That is what happens when something becomes plentiful (anything) - it becomes worthless.

A BA no longer means squat because you cant swing a dead cat without hitting someone with one. It becomes a 'why not' requirement.
Spend 120 grand to get a 4year degree for delivering packages of mail? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?
when i was delivering mail externally i was making more money then some people with masters degrees.....but at the same time we had people who got a job with us who had degrees who could not hack the job physically and quit.....what ya gonna do?....:dunno:
 
No, you missed my point.

Foreign companies make good cars here in the US with mostly non union workers. Much better than that UAW shit put out by GM and Chrysler.

but is the car good because of how it's put together or how it's designed? It's not quality because Cleetus and Billy Bob put it together with pride. It's good because the guys in Japan who designed it were good at their jobs. The ones who grew up in SOCIALIST schools. Meanwhile, in America, we had car executives who decided it was cheaper to pay out a few hundred lawsuits on the Pinto rather than pay $11.00 a unit to repair "the Barbecue that Seats Four". You know, because Capitalism.

GM and Chrysler (which by the way is a foreign company) put out shit vehicles that were way over priced for the junk that they were and that is the reason why the companies were in trouble. The vehicles were not good value for the money. A substantial part of that over price was caused by the UAW's inefficiency and greed.

No, a substantial part of that was because the people who RAN those companies wanted to make bigger profits for less labor. So they outsourced most of the components to China, reducing those UAW guys to just assembling. and they kept insisting on making BIG cars becuase you can sell those for more. Which turned out to be a really bad decision when gas shot up to $4.00 a gallon.

There was no reason for the filthy ass government to take money from people that earned it and give it to shitheads that couldn't earn it on their own.

It is interesting to know that you Libtards support bailing out giant corporations that can't make it on their own. I thought you dimwits hated big corporations. You need to get your story straight.

We do hate Corporations. What made the bailout so sweet is that it looked out for working people before stockholders. The working folks kept their jobs, the stockholders, most of whom were looking to benefit when GM went belly up, got screwed. That's like made of fucking Awesome.

The worse part of that deal was that it was not made for any good reason except to pay back the filthy unions that gave money to Obama and the Democrats. The American people got screwed on it and the union fat cats got fatter.

Quite the contrary, it was a good deal for American, because a lot of NON-Union jobs were saved. My job at the time was working for a company that provided components for cars. Not union, not employed by the company, but if GM went belly up, our jobs would have went bye-bye, too.
 
ANYWAY, getting back to my point that no one addressed earlier.

The University of Wisconsin charges $5200 a semester for class sizes. $5200 a Semester.

In a four year college, that works out to $41,600 for a Bachelor's degree. And that's for an IN STATE student. It's twice as much for an out of state student.

So I have to ask the question- How can you charge $41,600 for something, and STILL need a 1.6 BILLION dollar subsidy from your state?

Frankly, the one good argument that the GOP has is that government costs too much and we all have to work too hard to support it. This sounds like a pretty good example of the kind of waste they complain about.

For all you Walker-haters, this is not the hill you want to defend.
 
Conservatives and education

Rush Limbaugh: Never finished college
Sean Hannity: Never finished college
Glen Beck: Never finished college
Scott Walker: Never finished college

All seek to destroy our education system.

Book learn'n ....who needs it?
and yet all are successful at what they do.....hey just sayin....

So is Justin Beiber
so you agree than that just because you did not go to collage and get a degree you can still be very successful .....

It would be a question of cause and effect

Doesn't prove their success was based on not going to college. Using the small percentage of outliers does not prove your point
 
Conservatives hate public education, they want to destroy even those schools that are doing well.

Conservatives hate the fact that the US spends more money on "education" than any country in the world but has the most dismal results. It is done it wrong. Money doesn't produce good education. Parents caring about their children is what produces good education. The Free Shit Army welfare queens don't give a crap about their children and that is the reason the education fails.

Conservatives also hate the fact that Libtards use money allocated to education to pay bloated union salaries and benefits in return for campaign donations to Democrats.
What dumb asses democrats are. Where do they think the money comes from for public education?
Basketball teams?
 
No, you missed my point.

Foreign companies make good cars here in the US with mostly non union workers. Much better than that UAW shit put out by GM and Chrysler.

but is the car good because of how it's put together or how it's designed? It's not quality because Cleetus and Billy Bob put it together with pride. It's good because the guys in Japan who designed it were good at their jobs. The ones who grew up in SOCIALIST schools. Meanwhile, in America, we had car executives who decided it was cheaper to pay out a few hundred lawsuits on the Pinto rather than pay $11.00 a unit to repair "the Barbecue that Seats Four". You know, because Capitalism.

GM and Chrysler (which by the way is a foreign company) put out shit vehicles that were way over priced for the junk that they were and that is the reason why the companies were in trouble. The vehicles were not good value for the money. A substantial part of that over price was caused by the UAW's inefficiency and greed.

No, a substantial part of that was because the people who RAN those companies wanted to make bigger profits for less labor. So they outsourced most of the components to China, reducing those UAW guys to just assembling. and they kept insisting on making BIG cars becuase you can sell those for more. Which turned out to be a really bad decision when gas shot up to $4.00 a gallon.

There was no reason for the filthy ass government to take money from people that earned it and give it to shitheads that couldn't earn it on their own.

It is interesting to know that you Libtards support bailing out giant corporations that can't make it on their own. I thought you dimwits hated big corporations. You need to get your story straight.

We do hate Corporations. What made the bailout so sweet is that it looked out for working people before stockholders. The working folks kept their jobs, the stockholders, most of whom were looking to benefit when GM went belly up, got screwed. That's like made of fucking Awesome.

The worse part of that deal was that it was not made for any good reason except to pay back the filthy unions that gave money to Obama and the Democrats. The American people got screwed on it and the union fat cats got fatter.

Quite the contrary, it was a good deal for American, because a lot of NON-Union jobs were saved. My job at the time was working for a company that provided components for cars. Not union, not employed by the company, but if GM went belly up, our jobs would have went bye-bye, too.

I know, blame Management instead of the filthy bloated inefficient union that gave Obama a billion dollars.

They both were to blame and the government never should have bailed them out.

The UAW has ruined American car manufacturing and the foreign companies have been smart enough to build quality cars in non union plants in the US. Meanwhile the UAW produced substandard cars that nobody wanted and the filthy ass government gave billions of taxpayer's money to bail them out. Not because it was the right thing to do but because the unions paid off Obama to do it. .

GM and Chrysler management were at fault for giving into the ridiculous UAW demands all these years. The wages, benefits and pensions were always way out of line with the marketplace and a substantial overhead burden on the companies. Of course they expected that if push ever came to shove then the government would bail them out and they were right.

Much better management has kept Ford afloat combined with the reputation of the F-150 truck has kept them afloat but they are not that far behind.

It was amazing to see the Moon Bats support the bailouts of major American corporations when they spew this shit about hating corporations so much.
 
ANYWAY, getting back to my point that no one addressed earlier.

The University of Wisconsin charges $5200 a semester for class sizes. $5200 a Semester.

In a four year college, that works out to $41,600 for a Bachelor's degree. And that's for an IN STATE student. It's twice as much for an out of state student.

So I have to ask the question- How can you charge $41,600 for something, and STILL need a 1.6 BILLION dollar subsidy from your state?

Frankly, the one good argument that the GOP has is that government costs too much and we all have to work too hard to support it. This sounds like a pretty good example of the kind of waste they complain about.

For all you Walker-haters, this is not the hill you want to defend.


did you happen to notice that college tuition went up when student loans became easier to get? There is a cause/affect relationship between govt give aways and price increases.
 
No, you missed my point.

Foreign companies make good cars here in the US with mostly non union workers. Much better than that UAW shit put out by GM and Chrysler.

but is the car good because of how it's put together or how it's designed? It's not quality because Cleetus and Billy Bob put it together with pride. It's good because the guys in Japan who designed it were good at their jobs. The ones who grew up in SOCIALIST schools. Meanwhile, in America, we had car executives who decided it was cheaper to pay out a few hundred lawsuits on the Pinto rather than pay $11.00 a unit to repair "the Barbecue that Seats Four". You know, because Capitalism.

GM and Chrysler (which by the way is a foreign company) put out shit vehicles that were way over priced for the junk that they were and that is the reason why the companies were in trouble. The vehicles were not good value for the money. A substantial part of that over price was caused by the UAW's inefficiency and greed.

No, a substantial part of that was because the people who RAN those companies wanted to make bigger profits for less labor. So they outsourced most of the components to China, reducing those UAW guys to just assembling. and they kept insisting on making BIG cars becuase you can sell those for more. Which turned out to be a really bad decision when gas shot up to $4.00 a gallon.

There was no reason for the filthy ass government to take money from people that earned it and give it to shitheads that couldn't earn it on their own.

It is interesting to know that you Libtards support bailing out giant corporations that can't make it on their own. I thought you dimwits hated big corporations. You need to get your story straight.

We do hate Corporations. What made the bailout so sweet is that it looked out for working people before stockholders. The working folks kept their jobs, the stockholders, most of whom were looking to benefit when GM went belly up, got screwed. That's like made of fucking Awesome.

The worse part of that deal was that it was not made for any good reason except to pay back the filthy unions that gave money to Obama and the Democrats. The American people got screwed on it and the union fat cats got fatter.

Quite the contrary, it was a good deal for American, because a lot of NON-Union jobs were saved. My job at the time was working for a company that provided components for cars. Not union, not employed by the company, but if GM went belly up, our jobs would have went bye-bye, too.

I know, blame Management instead of the filthy bloated inefficient union that gave Obama a billion dollars.

They both were to blame and the government never should have bailed them out.

The UAW has ruined American car manufacturing and the foreign companies have been smart enough to build quality cars in non union plants in the US. Meanwhile the UAW produced substandard cars that nobody wanted and the filthy ass government gave billions of taxpayer's money to bail them out. Not because it was the right thing to do but because the unions paid off Obama to do it. .

GM and Chrysler management were at fault for giving into the ridiculous UAW demands all these years. The wages, benefits and pensions were always way out of line with the marketplace and a substantial overhead burden on the companies. Of course they expected that if push ever came to shove then the government would bail them out and they were right.

Much better management has kept Ford afloat combined with the reputation of the F-150 truck has kept them afloat but they are not that far behind.

It was amazing to see the Moon Bats support the bailouts of major American corporations when they spew this shit about hating corporations so much.
Management designed the cars, they made the decisions on how to market the cars
Nobody was refusing to buy American cars because they cost too much. They bought elsewhere because Detroit was selling cars they did not want

Nobody got rich being an American auto worker. But they were able to buy a decent home, send their kids to college, get healthcare and eventually retire
Auto workers were not fighting for more, they were fighting to maintain a basic standard of living
 
No, you missed my point.

Foreign companies make good cars here in the US with mostly non union workers. Much better than that UAW shit put out by GM and Chrysler.

but is the car good because of how it's put together or how it's designed? It's not quality because Cleetus and Billy Bob put it together with pride. It's good because the guys in Japan who designed it were good at their jobs. The ones who grew up in SOCIALIST schools. Meanwhile, in America, we had car executives who decided it was cheaper to pay out a few hundred lawsuits on the Pinto rather than pay $11.00 a unit to repair "the Barbecue that Seats Four". You know, because Capitalism.

GM and Chrysler (which by the way is a foreign company) put out shit vehicles that were way over priced for the junk that they were and that is the reason why the companies were in trouble. The vehicles were not good value for the money. A substantial part of that over price was caused by the UAW's inefficiency and greed.

No, a substantial part of that was because the people who RAN those companies wanted to make bigger profits for less labor. So they outsourced most of the components to China, reducing those UAW guys to just assembling. and they kept insisting on making BIG cars becuase you can sell those for more. Which turned out to be a really bad decision when gas shot up to $4.00 a gallon.

There was no reason for the filthy ass government to take money from people that earned it and give it to shitheads that couldn't earn it on their own.

It is interesting to know that you Libtards support bailing out giant corporations that can't make it on their own. I thought you dimwits hated big corporations. You need to get your story straight.

We do hate Corporations. What made the bailout so sweet is that it looked out for working people before stockholders. The working folks kept their jobs, the stockholders, most of whom were looking to benefit when GM went belly up, got screwed. That's like made of fucking Awesome.

The worse part of that deal was that it was not made for any good reason except to pay back the filthy unions that gave money to Obama and the Democrats. The American people got screwed on it and the union fat cats got fatter.

Quite the contrary, it was a good deal for American, because a lot of NON-Union jobs were saved. My job at the time was working for a company that provided components for cars. Not union, not employed by the company, but if GM went belly up, our jobs would have went bye-bye, too.

I know, blame Management instead of the filthy bloated inefficient union that gave Obama a billion dollars.

They both were to blame and the government never should have bailed them out.

The UAW has ruined American car manufacturing and the foreign companies have been smart enough to build quality cars in non union plants in the US. Meanwhile the UAW produced substandard cars that nobody wanted and the filthy ass government gave billions of taxpayer's money to bail them out. Not because it was the right thing to do but because the unions paid off Obama to do it. .

GM and Chrysler management were at fault for giving into the ridiculous UAW demands all these years. The wages, benefits and pensions were always way out of line with the marketplace and a substantial overhead burden on the companies. Of course they expected that if push ever came to shove then the government would bail them out and they were right.

Much better management has kept Ford afloat combined with the reputation of the F-150 truck has kept them afloat but they are not that far behind.

It was amazing to see the Moon Bats support the bailouts of major American corporations when they spew this shit about hating corporations so much.


good points, the libs will never admit that the car company bailouts were to save the UAW, not the car companies.
 
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i have had those shitty GM cars since 1990 and have never had any problem with any of them....:dunno:

The two Jeep Grand Cherokees that I bought for my wife both fell apart in less than 100K while the Highlanders I bought for her lasted past 200K. The last GM car we bought we had to get rid of after 70K because it was always in the shop with something or another.

Question: If GM made good cars then why did they need a government bailout?

Answer: They need a government bailout because nobody wanted their shitty cars at the bloated price needed to pay the UAW to build it.
 
No, you missed my point.

Foreign companies make good cars here in the US with mostly non union workers. Much better than that UAW shit put out by GM and Chrysler.

but is the car good because of how it's put together or how it's designed? It's not quality because Cleetus and Billy Bob put it together with pride. It's good because the guys in Japan who designed it were good at their jobs. The ones who grew up in SOCIALIST schools. Meanwhile, in America, we had car executives who decided it was cheaper to pay out a few hundred lawsuits on the Pinto rather than pay $11.00 a unit to repair "the Barbecue that Seats Four". You know, because Capitalism.

GM and Chrysler (which by the way is a foreign company) put out shit vehicles that were way over priced for the junk that they were and that is the reason why the companies were in trouble. The vehicles were not good value for the money. A substantial part of that over price was caused by the UAW's inefficiency and greed.

No, a substantial part of that was because the people who RAN those companies wanted to make bigger profits for less labor. So they outsourced most of the components to China, reducing those UAW guys to just assembling. and they kept insisting on making BIG cars becuase you can sell those for more. Which turned out to be a really bad decision when gas shot up to $4.00 a gallon.

There was no reason for the filthy ass government to take money from people that earned it and give it to shitheads that couldn't earn it on their own.

It is interesting to know that you Libtards support bailing out giant corporations that can't make it on their own. I thought you dimwits hated big corporations. You need to get your story straight.

We do hate Corporations. What made the bailout so sweet is that it looked out for working people before stockholders. The working folks kept their jobs, the stockholders, most of whom were looking to benefit when GM went belly up, got screwed. That's like made of fucking Awesome.

The worse part of that deal was that it was not made for any good reason except to pay back the filthy unions that gave money to Obama and the Democrats. The American people got screwed on it and the union fat cats got fatter.

Quite the contrary, it was a good deal for American, because a lot of NON-Union jobs were saved. My job at the time was working for a company that provided components for cars. Not union, not employed by the company, but if GM went belly up, our jobs would have went bye-bye, too.

I know, blame Management instead of the filthy bloated inefficient union that gave Obama a billion dollars.

They both were to blame and the government never should have bailed them out.

The UAW has ruined American car manufacturing and the foreign companies have been smart enough to build quality cars in non union plants in the US. Meanwhile the UAW produced substandard cars that nobody wanted and the filthy ass government gave billions of taxpayer's money to bail them out. Not because it was the right thing to do but because the unions paid off Obama to do it. .

GM and Chrysler management were at fault for giving into the ridiculous UAW demands all these years. The wages, benefits and pensions were always way out of line with the marketplace and a substantial overhead burden on the companies. Of course they expected that if push ever came to shove then the government would bail them out and they were right.

Much better management has kept Ford afloat combined with the reputation of the F-150 truck has kept them afloat but they are not that far behind.

It was amazing to see the Moon Bats support the bailouts of major American corporations when they spew this shit about hating corporations so much.
Management designed the cars, they made the decisions on how to market the cars
Nobody was refusing to buy American cars because they cost too much. They bought elsewhere because Detroit was selling cars they did not want

Nobody got rich being an American auto worker. But they were able to buy a decent home, send their kids to college, get healthcare and eventually retire
Auto workers were not fighting for more, they were fighting to maintain a basic standard of living


you know as little about this as you know about most subjects. $50/hr to put on lug nuts is not a reasonable wage. Most of todays UAW labor is low or minimum skill labor.

GM and Chrysler went broke for a couple of reasons, their products sucked and their labor costs were excessive.

If they had been allowed to go through bankruptcy, then those huge companies would have been broken up into smaller more efficient units. Each new company would have had to have a union representation election of its workers, that scared the shit out of the UAW management fat cats, so they got obozo to bail out the companies in exchange for their poliical support, money, and votes.

Thats what it was about.
 

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