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Management designed the cars, they made the decisions on how to market the carsNo, you missed my point.
Foreign companies make good cars here in the US with mostly non union workers. Much better than that UAW shit put out by GM and Chrysler.
but is the car good because of how it's put together or how it's designed? It's not quality because Cleetus and Billy Bob put it together with pride. It's good because the guys in Japan who designed it were good at their jobs. The ones who grew up in SOCIALIST schools. Meanwhile, in America, we had car executives who decided it was cheaper to pay out a few hundred lawsuits on the Pinto rather than pay $11.00 a unit to repair "the Barbecue that Seats Four". You know, because Capitalism.
GM and Chrysler (which by the way is a foreign company) put out shit vehicles that were way over priced for the junk that they were and that is the reason why the companies were in trouble. The vehicles were not good value for the money. A substantial part of that over price was caused by the UAW's inefficiency and greed.
No, a substantial part of that was because the people who RAN those companies wanted to make bigger profits for less labor. So they outsourced most of the components to China, reducing those UAW guys to just assembling. and they kept insisting on making BIG cars becuase you can sell those for more. Which turned out to be a really bad decision when gas shot up to $4.00 a gallon.
There was no reason for the filthy ass government to take money from people that earned it and give it to shitheads that couldn't earn it on their own.
It is interesting to know that you Libtards support bailing out giant corporations that can't make it on their own. I thought you dimwits hated big corporations. You need to get your story straight.
We do hate Corporations. What made the bailout so sweet is that it looked out for working people before stockholders. The working folks kept their jobs, the stockholders, most of whom were looking to benefit when GM went belly up, got screwed. That's like made of fucking Awesome.
The worse part of that deal was that it was not made for any good reason except to pay back the filthy unions that gave money to Obama and the Democrats. The American people got screwed on it and the union fat cats got fatter.
Quite the contrary, it was a good deal for American, because a lot of NON-Union jobs were saved. My job at the time was working for a company that provided components for cars. Not union, not employed by the company, but if GM went belly up, our jobs would have went bye-bye, too.
I know, blame Management instead of the filthy bloated inefficient union that gave Obama a billion dollars.
They both were to blame and the government never should have bailed them out.
The UAW has ruined American car manufacturing and the foreign companies have been smart enough to build quality cars in non union plants in the US. Meanwhile the UAW produced substandard cars that nobody wanted and the filthy ass government gave billions of taxpayer's money to bail them out. Not because it was the right thing to do but because the unions paid off Obama to do it. .
GM and Chrysler management were at fault for giving into the ridiculous UAW demands all these years. The wages, benefits and pensions were always way out of line with the marketplace and a substantial overhead burden on the companies. Of course they expected that if push ever came to shove then the government would bail them out and they were right.
Much better management has kept Ford afloat combined with the reputation of the F-150 truck has kept them afloat but they are not that far behind.
It was amazing to see the Moon Bats support the bailouts of major American corporations when they spew this shit about hating corporations so much.
Nobody was refusing to buy American cars because they cost too much. They bought elsewhere because Detroit was selling cars they did not want
Nobody got rich being an American auto worker. But they were able to buy a decent home, send their kids to college, get healthcare and eventually retire
Auto workers were not fighting for more, they were fighting to maintain a basic standard of living
you know as little about this as you know about most subjects. $50/hr to put on lug nuts is not a reasonable wage. Most of todays UAW labor is low or minimum skill labor.
GM and Chrysler went broke for a couple of reasons, their products sucked and their labor costs were excessive.
If they had been allowed to go through bankruptcy, then those huge companies would have been broken up into smaller more efficient units. Each new company would have had to have a union representation election of its workers, that scared the shit out of the UAW management fat cats, so they got obozo to bail out the companies in exchange for their poliical support, money, and votes.
Thats what it was about.
Auto workers were not getting rich. And lug nut guys did not make $50 an hour
Without a government bailout, the auto companies never would have recovered. The banks were collapsing at the time. There was no money outside of the government to fund a restructure.
Obama saved the auto sector. For less than we paid for the republican government shutdown, we saved the auto companies