Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?
By Walter Einenkel at Daily Kos

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?

"SNIP..........


Teresa Muniz says she gets a chill when she realizes her neighbor was on his way to commit America’s next horrific shooting. The “angry guy upstairs” drove to a nearby Walmart where witnesses say he walked in, calmly took out his handgun, and shot and killed three people waiting in line to pay. Neighbors described Ostrem as a bizarre, angry man who lived alone in an apartment with a stack of Bibles and virtually no furniture.

[...]

Hispanic residents said he was especially mean to them.

“He wouldn’t say nothing to us, but he talked to the only white couple who lives here,” Muniz said. “I don’t understand where that hatred comes from.”

There’s also this from ABC News.

Killed were Pamela Marques, 52, of Denver; Carlos Moreno, 66, of Thornton; and Victor Vasquez, 26, of Denver.

None were Walmart employees, and all were Hispanic.

...........SNIP"

Yep, ban all religious people from immigrating.

If a crime committed by a Muslim is ‘terrorism,’ and Islam a ‘terrorist’ religion, then crimes committed by Christians are likewise acts of terrorism, and Christianity a terrorist religion.

Or, if conservatives believe that the criminal act of a Christian is not representative of Christianity and all Christians, then likewise a criminal act committed by a Muslim is not representative of all Muslims, and not representative of Islam.

The bigoted right can’t have it both ways.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Christian terrorists almost act singly in the US: the sniper shooting pro-abortion people in Florida; the bomber in Georgia; the weirdo at the abortion clinic in Arizona; the Wal-Mart killer in Colorado. They exist, and nothing can be said that changes that unalterable fact.

Is there any difference between these christian terrorists and the lone ISIS sympathizers who ram vehicles into crowds?

No.

Both are terrorists – or both are not.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Since he' white he has to fit a very specific number of attributes before being considered. If he doesn't' have a bomb that whipes out a daycare then...meh

 

[Political Junky]

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?
By Walter Einenkel at Daily Kos

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?

"SNIP..........


Teresa Muniz says she gets a chill when she realizes her neighbor was on his way to commit America’s next horrific shooting. The “angry guy upstairs” drove to a nearby Walmart where witnesses say he walked in, calmly took out his handgun, and shot and killed three people waiting in line to pay. Neighbors described Ostrem as a bizarre, angry man who lived alone in an apartment with a stack of Bibles and virtually no furniture.

[...]

Hispanic residents said he was especially mean to them.

“He wouldn’t say nothing to us, but he talked to the only white couple who lives here,” Muniz said. “I don’t understand where that hatred comes from.”

There’s also this from ABC News.

Killed were Pamela Marques, 52, of Denver; Carlos Moreno, 66, of Thornton; and Victor Vasquez, 26, of Denver.

None were Walmart employees, and all were Hispanic.

...........SNIP"

Yep, ban all religious people from immigrating.

If a crime committed by a Muslim is ‘terrorism,’ and Islam a ‘terrorist’ religion, then crimes committed by Christians are likewise acts of terrorism, and Christianity a terrorist religion.

Or, if conservatives believe that the criminal act of a Christian is not representative of Christianity and all Christians, then likewise a criminal act committed by a Muslim is not representative of all Muslims, and not representative of Islam.

The bigoted right can’t have it both ways.

Cons conveniently forget the history of the Catholic church.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

If a crime committed by a Muslim is ‘terrorism,’

They're not. If a Muslim robs a bank, that's not terrorism.

If a Muslim shoots his neighbor having sex with his wife, that's not terrorism.

If a Muslim murders his neighbor BECAUSE ALLAH COMMANDS IT........ THAT'S TERRORISM.

 

[cnelsen]

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?
By Walter Einenkel at Daily Kos

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?

"SNIP..........


Teresa Muniz says she gets a chill when she realizes her neighbor was on his way to commit America’s next horrific shooting. The “angry guy upstairs” drove to a nearby Walmart where witnesses say he walked in, calmly took out his handgun, and shot and killed three people waiting in line to pay. Neighbors described Ostrem as a bizarre, angry man who lived alone in an apartment with a stack of Bibles and virtually no furniture.

[...]

Hispanic residents said he was especially mean to them.

“He wouldn’t say nothing to us, but he talked to the only white couple who lives here,” Muniz said. “I don’t understand where that hatred comes from.”

There’s also this from ABC News.

Killed were Pamela Marques, 52, of Denver; Carlos Moreno, 66, of Thornton; and Victor Vasquez, 26, of Denver.

None were Walmart employees, and all were Hispanic.

...........SNIP"

Yep, ban all religious people from immigrating.

He's a terrorist. Happy?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

He's a terrorist. Happy?

Did the Christian God command him to kill?

 

[airplanemechanic]

The difference between killing in the name of Islam and killing in the name of Christianity is that Islam actually does promote violence and that there are lots of violent passages in the Koran. Christianity is based on 10 commandments, one being "thou shall not kill." So its a violation of Christianity to kill people indiscriminately. The Koran INSTRUCTS people to kill infidels.

 

[cnelsen]

He's a terrorist. Happy?

Did the Christian God command him to kill?

Maybe he thought they were trying to convert him:

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

Deut 13:7​

 

[cnelsen]

The difference between killing in the name of Islam and killing in the name of Christianity is that Islam actually does promote violence and that there are lots of violent passages in the Koran. Christianity is based on 10 commandments, one being "thou shall not kill." So its a violation of Christianity to kill people indiscriminately. The Koran INSTRUCTS people to kill infidels.

This is why Christians are stupid to cling to the Old Testament, the Jewish Koran:

If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

Deut 13:13​

 

[Political Junky]

The difference between killing in the name of Islam and killing in the name of Christianity is that Islam actually does promote violence and that there are lots of violent passages in the Koran. Christianity is based on 10 commandments, one being "thou shall not kill." So its a violation of Christianity to kill people indiscriminately. The Koran INSTRUCTS people to kill infidels.

You know nothing about the Catholic church. They tortured and killed for centuries.

 

[airplanemechanic]

I'm a Catholic (well I used to be). What people did hundreds of years ago means nothing. It's not an excuse for behavior today.

If we can use that as an excuse, then we can go around slaughtering blacks because hundreds of years ago blacks slaughtered each other in Africa. Hell they still do in some of these tribes.

 

[westwall]

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?
By Walter Einenkel at Daily Kos

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?

"SNIP..........


Teresa Muniz says she gets a chill when she realizes her neighbor was on his way to commit America’s next horrific shooting. The “angry guy upstairs” drove to a nearby Walmart where witnesses say he walked in, calmly took out his handgun, and shot and killed three people waiting in line to pay. Neighbors described Ostrem as a bizarre, angry man who lived alone in an apartment with a stack of Bibles and virtually no furniture.

[...]

Hispanic residents said he was especially mean to them.

“He wouldn’t say nothing to us, but he talked to the only white couple who lives here,” Muniz said. “I don’t understand where that hatred comes from.”

There’s also this from ABC News.

Killed were Pamela Marques, 52, of Denver; Carlos Moreno, 66, of Thornton; and Victor Vasquez, 26, of Denver.

None were Walmart employees, and all were Hispanic.

...........SNIP"

Yep, ban all religious people from immigrating.

If a crime committed by a Muslim is ‘terrorism,’ and Islam a ‘terrorist’ religion, then crimes committed by Christians are likewise acts of terrorism, and Christianity a terrorist religion.

Or, if conservatives believe that the criminal act of a Christian is not representative of Christianity and all Christians, then likewise a criminal act committed by a Muslim is not representative of all Muslims, and not representative of Islam.

The bigoted right can’t have it both ways.

Cons conveniently forget the history of the Catholic church.

And you silly people conveniently forget that the Reformation happened. And the last "crusade" was the Ninth which occurred between 1271 and 1272. The fact that you are so desperate to trot out horrific acts from 745 years ago says more about you than it does about this asshole in Colorado. He's a loon. He should be executed for his crimes. But you will ignore very real crimes against humanity being committed now all over the world by likewise looney islamic fundamentalists. They are all cut from the same stripe.

But you ignore the thousands killed by them so you can point to this one asshole and use him to trot out 700 year old crimes. You are all a bunch of 'tards.

 

[westwall]

The difference between killing in the name of Islam and killing in the name of Christianity is that Islam actually does promote violence and that there are lots of violent passages in the Koran. Christianity is based on 10 commandments, one being "thou shall not kill." So its a violation of Christianity to kill people indiscriminately. The Koran INSTRUCTS people to kill infidels.

You know nothing about the Catholic church. They tortured and killed for centuries.

Yes. And they STOPPED hundreds of years ago you imbecile.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

He's a terrorist. Happy?

Did the Christian God command him to kill?

Maybe he thought they were trying to convert him:

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

Deut 13:7​

That's a command to the GOVERNMENT of Israel (a theocracy). God didn't command individuals to murder.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

This is why Christians are stupid to cling to the Old Testament, the Jewish Koran:

You dont understand the Scriptures. Quit twisting what you don't understand.

 

[Windparadox]

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Outside of the comical and overt bias against religion as portrayed by the OP and and his derelict ilk, I see no direct cause that faith had anything to do with this. Demented extremists exist in all faiths, ideologies and organizations and cannot be used to rationally classify an entire group. Yet, as evidenced here, they still sadly persist, like a disease.
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[cnelsen]

He's a terrorist. Happy?

Did the Christian God command him to kill?

Maybe he thought they were trying to convert him:

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

Deut 13:7​

That's a command to the GOVERNMENT of Israel (a theocracy). God didn't command individuals to murder.

LOL, you fundies are hilarious (and an embarrassment to religion). You will twist yourself into any absurdity with your explanations and your dispensations and who knows what all just to keep clinging to that fucking blood-soaked primitive ignorant pig vomit you call the Old Testament. Even (and this is the really stunning part), even though you claim to worship a guy who was killed for trying to liberate his people from it (and the vermin rabbis). And you STILL cart that nonsense (it's not even good literature) back and forth to church every Sunday. You do much harm to religion and the message of Christ with your idiotic stubborn superstitious insistence that the Old Testament is "God's Word".

Go back and reread Deut 13:7 and then tell me again God was "speaking" to the government. What a buffoon.

 

[cnelsen]

This is why Christians are stupid to cling to the Old Testament, the Jewish Koran:

You dont understand the Scriptures. Quit twisting what you don't understand.

Twisting? hahaha. It was a copy-and-paste from the King James Version. How is that "twisting". Hey fundy, Imma let you in on a lil secret: aint no magic books. Once you believe some ancient scribbles are "God's word" and have magic powers--er, are sacred--you make yourself a fool.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?
By Walter Einenkel at Daily Kos

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?

"SNIP..........


Teresa Muniz says she gets a chill when she realizes her neighbor was on his way to commit America’s next horrific shooting. The “angry guy upstairs” drove to a nearby Walmart where witnesses say he walked in, calmly took out his handgun, and shot and killed three people waiting in line to pay. Neighbors described Ostrem as a bizarre, angry man who lived alone in an apartment with a stack of Bibles and virtually no furniture.

[...]

Hispanic residents said he was especially mean to them.

“He wouldn’t say nothing to us, but he talked to the only white couple who lives here,” Muniz said. “I don’t understand where that hatred comes from.”

There’s also this from ABC News.

Killed were Pamela Marques, 52, of Denver; Carlos Moreno, 66, of Thornton; and Victor Vasquez, 26, of Denver.

None were Walmart employees, and all were Hispanic.

...........SNIP"

Yep, ban all religious people from immigrating.

It's all about making something to suit your agenda, if it doesn't suit it, ignore it.