Wanna Try Out Socialism?

[alang1216]

Are the GOP the party of unfettered individualism and unregulated markets? Does everyone in the GOP agree what 'limited constitutional government' is?

"Since you insist on hearing the obvious and ignoring all else, the answer to your question is: 2, the GOP and the Dems."

Hence, there are only two choices, choosing the one closer to your beliefs:an

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

There are only two choices, choose one:

a. You're rich, you believe you are the model for who is an "American" and you believe all Americans need to think as you think, you got yours and think everyone else should get their own too regardless of circumstance.

or

b. You're not rich, you think Americans can be different from you and still be Americans, gov't has legitimate functions.

I have given you the Litmus Test for who is a real American:


a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



The former is the view of our Founders, the latter, the Germanic doctrine of Hegel, Marx, Hitler and Lenin.




"...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959, page 144)


"Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual") concretizes the collectivist belief that individuals have no rights and that "the greater good" is the only standard of value. Under such a system, man is not an end to himself, only a tool to be sacrificed for the Führer, autocrat or ruling mob.

Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society.
Sipsey Street Irregulars: The lie before the crime. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual")




You really should stop relying on me for your education.

I updated the test for this century. You're welcome.

 

[basquebromance]

the pledge of allegiance was written by a democratic socialist

America the beautiful was written by a democratic socialist

America's greatest poet was Walt Whippman, a democrat socialist

America's greatest philosopher John Dewey was a democrat socialist

American's greatest Christian Reinholm Nieburr was a democrat socialist

MLK, i got no labels for him, was a democrat socialist

socialism is as american as apple pie

 

[basquebromance]

everytime someone calls me a socialist, i say "in the name of Jesus, thank you for the compliment!"

 

[PoliticalChic]

the pledge of allegiance was written by a democratic socialist

America the beautiful was written by a democratic socialist

America's greatest poet was Walt Whippman, a democrat socialist

America's greatest philosopher John Dewey was a democrat socialist

American's greatest Christian Reinholm Nieburr was a democrat socialist

MLK, i got no labels for him, was a democrat socialist

socialism is as american as apple pie

Let's be clear....there is no difference between a 'Democratic Socialist' and a Communist other than the ammunition.

1. While the United States is one of the few democracies without an official socialist party, in reality socialist occupy some of the highest positions in the “Marxist-socialist” bloc in Congress. In fact, the Congressional Progressive Caucus was founded as a sister to the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA.
   1. Before the socialist network infiltrated the Democratic Party, its ideology permeated academic institutions for decades.
   2. In the 60’s, radicals attempted to overthrow the US capitalist system by actual revolution: the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) or its spinoff, the Weathermen terrorist group. DSA was established to transform capitalism by democratic means.

2.Michael Harrington, founder of the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA., knew that infiltration of the Democratic Party was primary, and it already contained all of the progressive elements The Eduard Bernstein Internet Archive Socialism time line. The DSA remains the principle branch of the Socialist International, whose primary goal is global governance under worldwide socialism.

a. The SI boasts it is successor to the First International of Karl Marx, 1864. “Ever since its inception in 1951, the Socialist International has made cosmetic efforts to distance itself from communist socialists.”
http://theconservativeactivist.com/forum/index.php?topic=1085.0;wap2

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3. "#WeNeedBernie

Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has announced that he is officially running as a candidate for President in 2016 to further a desperately needed political revolution in the USA.

Senator Sanders is a lifelong champion of the public programs and democratic rights that empower working class people. His candidacy could help expand both the progressive movement and the democratic socialist voice within that movement." http://www.dsausa.org/weneedbernie


4. Creation of the Progressive Caucus is credited to Bernie Sanders. The groups in the radical network include a) the Congressional Progressive Caucus, b) the Congressional Black Caucus, c) the Populist Caucus, and the d) Progressive Democrats of America.

a. Allied with the above is ACORN, SEIU, and the Institute for Policy Studies

b. And, indirectly, the Center for American Progress and the Apollo Alliance.


5. I trust you know that Sanders is a communist.

 

[PoliticalChic]

everytime someone calls me a socialist, i say "in the name of Jesus, thank you for the compliment!"

Jesus was not a socialist, nor does the Bible endorse either socialism nor communism, you dunce.


An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al



And this is the face of government coercion.....


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, the Kuban region, Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia





Gads, you're a fool.

 

[alang1216]

Let's be clear....there is no difference between a 'Democratic Socialist' and a Communist other than the ammunition.

Not sure where you come from but in America there is a difference. I've been told many times that Democratic Socialism isn't even Socialism, let alone Communism. The model for a Democratic Socialist is the Scandinavian countries and I don't know anyone who considers those countries to be Communist.

 

[danielpalos]

The Democrat Party does.

"Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner
...surpassing his rivals in early fundraising and establishing himself as an indisputable front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner | RealClearPolitics


A Marxist as the Democrat standard-bearer???? Yup.
Here we see the culmination of the Liberal control of government schooling: indoctrination, certainly not education.Time for the Democrats to be called the ‘know-nothing party.’ And for a remedial course in the history of socialism.




1. I’ve always been a devotee of the Gates Test: when they open the gates, do people rush in, or rush out? It’s a pretty good test of socialism, in all of its forms: communism, fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and Liberalism [check out the numbers of folks moving out of California and New York].


2. “During the first three decades of the 20th century, Argentina was one of the world's top-10 richest nations. It was ahead of Canada and Australia in total and per capita income. After Juan Peron's ideas, captured in his economic creed that he called "national socialism," became a part of Argentina's life, the country fell into economic chaos. Today it has fallen to 25th in terms of GDP.


3. Nicolas Maduro, an avowed socialist, has turned oil-rich Venezuela into a place where there are shortages of everything from toilet paper to beer, where electricity keeps shutting down, and where there are long lines of people hoping to get food. Some people are eating their pets and feeding their children from garbage bins. Socialism has crippled Venezuela's once-thriving economy. Today, Venezuela is among the world's most tragically poor countries.


4. After Germany's defeat in WWII, it was divided into socialist East Germany and capitalist West Germany. West Germans had far greater income, wealth and human rights protections. In large numbers, East Germans tried to flee to West Germany, so much so that the East German government set up deadly mines and other traps to prevent escape. Few, if any, West Germans tried to flee to East Germany, and the West German government spent no resources preventing its citizens from leaving.


5. …there's North Korea and South Korea. North Korea's nominal per capita GDP is only 3.6 percent of South Korea's nominal per capita GDP of $23,838. There are few human rights protections for North Koreans. North Korea, like East Germany, has set up deadly mines and other traps to prevent its citizens from escaping.


6. …socialist nations that have murdered tens of millions of their own citizens such as the case with the former USSR and China.

7. Sanders and other socialists hold Denmark as their dream, but Prime Minister Lars Lekke Rasmussen said: "I know that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy." Scandinavian socialism is a myth.” Millennials for Socialism



So, since socialism has never worked, what better plan for the Democrat Party???

insist they get more Commerce Clause friendly. don't whine about it right wingers. your policies are even more, worthless.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism is just another way for the elite to usurp power. The weak minded actually believe the government can distribute resources in a "FAIR" manner. Nothing could be further from the truth., Government never stays benign, nor "fair". The elite with power, and influence always get what they want and all others SUFFER.

Government is socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

How much are you willing to go into debt to be a good capitalist for your corporate America?

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's be clear....there is no difference between a 'Democratic Socialist' and a Communist other than the ammunition.

Not sure where you come from but in America there is a difference. I've been told many times that Democratic Socialism isn't even Socialism, let alone Communism. The model for a Democratic Socialist is the Scandinavian countries and I don't know anyone who considers those countries to be Communist.

The old joke is a moderate Muslim is one who is out of ammunition.


That applies, as well, to any distinction between socialists and communists.
When they are powerful enough, they are and do everything communists do.

Chesly Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution"

The Twenty-Year Revolution: from Roosevelt to Eisenhower | Chesly Manly

1. The Communists and their Marxist cousins, the Socialists,

have worked for revolution since the advent of the New Deal

twenty-one years ago by infiltrating government offices, , labor

unions, schools and colleges, churches, radio and television,

the movies, the publishing business.




2. In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica,

Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of

the British Labor Party, declares: The distinction between socialism as distinguished by various Labor and Socialist parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and minority parties in other countries is one of tactics-and-strategy rather than one of objective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."

In The Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels stated that

communist ends can be attained "only by the forcible overthrow

of all existing social conditions."




You shouldn't be afraid of books.

 

[alang1216]

Let's be clear....there is no difference between a 'Democratic Socialist' and a Communist other than the ammunition.

Not sure where you come from but in America there is a difference. I've been told many times that Democratic Socialism isn't even Socialism, let alone Communism. The model for a Democratic Socialist is the Scandinavian countries and I don't know anyone who considers those countries to be Communist.

The old joke is a moderate Muslim is one who is out of ammunition.


That applies, as well, to any distinction between socialists and communists.
When they are powerful enough, they are and do everything communists do.

Chesly Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution"

The Twenty-Year Revolution: from Roosevelt to Eisenhower | Chesly Manly

1. The Communists and their Marxist cousins, the Socialists,

have worked for revolution since the advent of the New Deal

twenty-one years ago by infiltrating government offices, , labor

unions, schools and colleges, churches, radio and television,

the movies, the publishing business.




2. In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica,

Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of

the British Labor Party, declares: The distinction between socialism as distinguished by various Labor and Socialist parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and minority parties in other countries is one of tactics-and-strategy rather than one of objective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."

In The Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels stated that

communist ends can be attained "only by the forcible overthrow

of all existing social conditions."




You shouldn't be afraid of books.

Why is it that all your references are from a time before the term Democratic Socialist even existed?

You shouldn't be afraid of the present.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's be clear....there is no difference between a 'Democratic Socialist' and a Communist other than the ammunition.

Not sure where you come from but in America there is a difference. I've been told many times that Democratic Socialism isn't even Socialism, let alone Communism. The model for a Democratic Socialist is the Scandinavian countries and I don't know anyone who considers those countries to be Communist.

The old joke is a moderate Muslim is one who is out of ammunition.


That applies, as well, to any distinction between socialists and communists.
When they are powerful enough, they are and do everything communists do.

Chesly Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution"

The Twenty-Year Revolution: from Roosevelt to Eisenhower | Chesly Manly

1. The Communists and their Marxist cousins, the Socialists,

have worked for revolution since the advent of the New Deal

twenty-one years ago by infiltrating government offices, , labor

unions, schools and colleges, churches, radio and television,

the movies, the publishing business.




2. In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica,

Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of

the British Labor Party, declares: The distinction between socialism as distinguished by various Labor and Socialist parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and minority parties in other countries is one of tactics-and-strategy rather than one of objective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."

In The Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels stated that

communist ends can be attained "only by the forcible overthrow

of all existing social conditions."




You shouldn't be afraid of books.

Why is it that all your references are from a time before the term Democratic Socialist even existed?

You shouldn't be afraid of the present.

This post is why you are recognized as a liar.

 

[danielpalos]

how long until we "run out of the Other Peoples' money", national socialist, right wingers?

 

[alang1216]

Why is it that all your references are from a time before the term Democratic Socialist even existed?

You shouldn't be afraid of the present.

This post is why you are recognized as a liar.

Would you please explain what in my post was a lie? Or just throw another insult, I consider those as good as any admission of error.

 

[Thinker101]

Why is it that all your references are from a time before the term Democratic Socialist even existed?

You shouldn't be afraid of the present.

This post is why you are recognized as a liar.

Would you please explain what in my post was a lie? Or just throw another insult, I consider those as good as any admission of error.

Because we all know it's bullshit, you're putting lipstick on a pig.

 

[alang1216]

Why is it that all your references are from a time before the term Democratic Socialist even existed?

You shouldn't be afraid of the present.

This post is why you are recognized as a liar.

Would you please explain what in my post was a lie? Or just throw another insult, I consider those as good as any admission of error.

Because we all know it's bullshit, you're putting lipstick on a pig.

I guess I'm not the smartest guy around, would you please explain?

 

[Thinker101]

Why is it that all your references are from a time before the term Democratic Socialist even existed?

You shouldn't be afraid of the present.

This post is why you are recognized as a liar.

Would you please explain what in my post was a lie? Or just throw another insult, I consider those as good as any admission of error.

Because we all know it's bullshit, you're putting lipstick on a pig.

I guess I'm not the smartest guy around, would you please explain?

Democratic Socialism is putting lipstick on a pig known as Socialism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why is it that all your references are from a time before the term Democratic Socialist even existed?

You shouldn't be afraid of the present.

This post is why you are recognized as a liar.

Would you please explain what in my post was a lie? Or just throw another insult, I consider those as good as any admission of error.

Because we all know it's bullshit, you're putting lipstick on a pig.

I guess I'm not the smartest guy around, would you please explain?

You're not even the smartest mollusk around.

 

[alang1216]

You're not even the smartest mollusk around.

Thanks for the insult, I consider those as good as any admission of error.

 

[alang1216]

Democratic Socialism is putting lipstick on a pig known as Socialism.

Thanks. Bernie, AOC, etc. base their Socialism on the Nordic countries. They have lots of state provided benefits like health care and have the satisfied citizens. I've been told the Nordic countries are not really socialist since Socialism can never succeed. I'm glad you don't agree.