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[PoliticalChic]

"Weird: Everyone Who Attended Bernie Sanders' Town Hall Has Reported Their Wallet Missing
April 17th, 2019

NEW YORK, NY—Well, this is more than a little odd.

Every single attendee of Bernie Sanders' town hall meeting on Fox News earlier this week has reported that their wallet has mysteriously gone missing.

"I know I had my wallet in my pocket, but after meeting Bernie Sanders, shaking his hand, and thanking him for everything he's doing for the country, I noticed my wallet was missing," said one woman from Brooklyn. "I noticed it on the way to the car. Really strange."

She wasn't the only one: every single attendee only later realized that their wallets were missing. Some women said their purses had apparently been rifled through, with the perpetrator taking every coin and dollar bill, as well as several breath mints and a comb.

Whoever did the stealing was crafty. The suspect left a note in each person's pocket or purse saying "Thank you for your willingness to help your fellow man."

After reviewing security footage, police are looking for an elderly man with white tufts of hair protruding from his head and "crazy eyes."
Weird: Everyone Who Attended Bernie Sanders' Town Hall Has Reported Their Wallet Missing

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Democrat Party does.

"Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner
...surpassing his rivals in early fundraising and establishing himself as an indisputable front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner | RealClearPolitics


A Marxist as the Democrat standard-bearer???? Yup.
Here we see the culmination of the Liberal control of government schooling: indoctrination, certainly not education.Time for the Democrats to be called the ‘know-nothing party.’ And for a remedial course in the history of socialism.




1. I’ve always been a devotee of the Gates Test: when they open the gates, do people rush in, or rush out? It’s a pretty good test of socialism, in all of its forms: communism, fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and Liberalism [check out the numbers of folks moving out of California and New York].


2. “During the first three decades of the 20th century, Argentina was one of the world's top-10 richest nations. It was ahead of Canada and Australia in total and per capita income. After Juan Peron's ideas, captured in his economic creed that he called "national socialism," became a part of Argentina's life, the country fell into economic chaos. Today it has fallen to 25th in terms of GDP.


3. Nicolas Maduro, an avowed socialist, has turned oil-rich Venezuela into a place where there are shortages of everything from toilet paper to beer, where electricity keeps shutting down, and where there are long lines of people hoping to get food. Some people are eating their pets and feeding their children from garbage bins. Socialism has crippled Venezuela's once-thriving economy. Today, Venezuela is among the world's most tragically poor countries.


4. After Germany's defeat in WWII, it was divided into socialist East Germany and capitalist West Germany. West Germans had far greater income, wealth and human rights protections. In large numbers, East Germans tried to flee to West Germany, so much so that the East German government set up deadly mines and other traps to prevent escape. Few, if any, West Germans tried to flee to East Germany, and the West German government spent no resources preventing its citizens from leaving.


5. …there's North Korea and South Korea. North Korea's nominal per capita GDP is only 3.6 percent of South Korea's nominal per capita GDP of $23,838. There are few human rights protections for North Koreans. North Korea, like East Germany, has set up deadly mines and other traps to prevent its citizens from escaping.


6. …socialist nations that have murdered tens of millions of their own citizens such as the case with the former USSR and China.

7. Sanders and other socialists hold Denmark as their dream, but Prime Minister Lars Lekke Rasmussen said: "I know that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy." Scandinavian socialism is a myth.” Millennials for Socialism



So, since socialism has never worked, what better plan for the Democrat Party???

"Sanders: 'If You Like Your Means Of Production, You Can Keep Your Means Of Production'
July 19th, 2019

PHILADELPHIA, PA—At a campaign stop Thursday evening, presidential candidate Bernie Sanders assured the nation that his proposed switch to socialism wouldn't threaten those who wished to keep their means of production.

Sanders has talked often about how the workers are going to steal the means of production from their owners. Americans were getting understandably worried about his proposal since revolutions like that have had questionable results in the past, usually resulting in some unfortunate side effects like an economic slump and also hundreds of millions of deaths.

"Yes, we're going to seize the means of production, but don't worry: if you like your means of production, you can keep your means of production," he said. "There's nothing to fear with socialism. Yes, we're going to alter the way the economy functions in a radical way, but that doesn't mean that you can't keep your factories, your small businesses, or the fruit of your labor."

"Better red than dead!" he added before aides gave him a "cut it out" gesture and he settled for a less inflammatory slogan: "Workers of the world, unite!"

Later, Sanders clarified that he would keep his own means of production, but you would get yours taken away."
Sanders: 'If You Like Your Means Of Production, You Can Keep Your Means Of Production'

 

[alang1216]

The Democrat Party does.

"Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner
...surpassing his rivals in early fundraising and establishing himself as an indisputable front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner | RealClearPolitics


A Marxist as the Democrat standard-bearer???? Yup.
Here we see the culmination of the Liberal control of government schooling: indoctrination, certainly not education.Time for the Democrats to be called the ‘know-nothing party.’ And for a remedial course in the history of socialism.




1. I’ve always been a devotee of the Gates Test: when they open the gates, do people rush in, or rush out? It’s a pretty good test of socialism, in all of its forms: communism, fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and Liberalism [check out the numbers of folks moving out of California and New York].


2. “During the first three decades of the 20th century, Argentina was one of the world's top-10 richest nations. It was ahead of Canada and Australia in total and per capita income. After Juan Peron's ideas, captured in his economic creed that he called "national socialism," became a part of Argentina's life, the country fell into economic chaos. Today it has fallen to 25th in terms of GDP.


3. Nicolas Maduro, an avowed socialist, has turned oil-rich Venezuela into a place where there are shortages of everything from toilet paper to beer, where electricity keeps shutting down, and where there are long lines of people hoping to get food. Some people are eating their pets and feeding their children from garbage bins. Socialism has crippled Venezuela's once-thriving economy. Today, Venezuela is among the world's most tragically poor countries.


4. After Germany's defeat in WWII, it was divided into socialist East Germany and capitalist West Germany. West Germans had far greater income, wealth and human rights protections. In large numbers, East Germans tried to flee to West Germany, so much so that the East German government set up deadly mines and other traps to prevent escape. Few, if any, West Germans tried to flee to East Germany, and the West German government spent no resources preventing its citizens from leaving.


5. …there's North Korea and South Korea. North Korea's nominal per capita GDP is only 3.6 percent of South Korea's nominal per capita GDP of $23,838. There are few human rights protections for North Koreans. North Korea, like East Germany, has set up deadly mines and other traps to prevent its citizens from escaping.


6. …socialist nations that have murdered tens of millions of their own citizens such as the case with the former USSR and China.

7. Sanders and other socialists hold Denmark as their dream, but Prime Minister Lars Lekke Rasmussen said: "I know that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy." Scandinavian socialism is a myth.” Millennials for Socialism



So, since socialism has never worked, what better plan for the Democrat Party???

"Sanders: 'If You Like Your Means Of Production, You Can Keep Your Means Of Production'
July 19th, 2019

PHILADELPHIA, PA—At a campaign stop Thursday evening, presidential candidate Bernie Sanders assured the nation that his proposed switch to socialism wouldn't threaten those who wished to keep their means of production.

Sanders has talked often about how the workers are going to steal the means of production from their owners. Americans were getting understandably worried about his proposal since revolutions like that have had questionable results in the past, usually resulting in some unfortunate side effects like an economic slump and also hundreds of millions of deaths.

"Yes, we're going to seize the means of production, but don't worry: if you like your means of production, you can keep your means of production," he said. "There's nothing to fear with socialism. Yes, we're going to alter the way the economy functions in a radical way, but that doesn't mean that you can't keep your factories, your small businesses, or the fruit of your labor."

"Better red than dead!" he added before aides gave him a "cut it out" gesture and he settled for a less inflammatory slogan: "Workers of the world, unite!"

Later, Sanders clarified that he would keep his own means of production, but you would get yours taken away."
Sanders: 'If You Like Your Means Of Production, You Can Keep Your Means Of Production'

Shouldn't this be in the humor thread? Maybe you should start a Russian Disinformation room all your own?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Shouldn't this be in the humor thread? Maybe you should start a Russian Disinformation room all your own?

Well, you Communists ARE a joke.

But the quarter BILLION peace time civilians butchered by Communism during the 20th century aren't laughing much...

But BOY do you have plans for America...

 

[alang1216]

Shouldn't this be in the humor thread? Maybe you should start a Russian Disinformation room all your own?

Well, you Communists ARE a joke.

But the quarter BILLION peace time civilians butchered by Communism during the 20th century aren't laughing much...

But BOY do you have plans for America...

I'm not a communist but I do have plans for America. Those plans don't include passing humor off as fact like PoliticalChic did. Russian bots don't seem to recognize humor.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Shouldn't this be in the humor thread? Maybe you should start a Russian Disinformation room all your own?

Well, you Communists ARE a joke.

But the quarter BILLION peace time civilians butchered by Communism during the 20th century aren't laughing much...

But BOY do you have plans for America...

I'm not a communist but I do have plans for America. Those plans don't include passing humor off as fact like PoliticalChic did. Russian bots don't seem to recognize humor.

Dude, I've read your posts before. You sure the fuck ARE a Communist, a Stalinist democrat.

And Russian bot?

You're one of THOSE....

 

[regent]

It may be that the old battle cry: "socialism leads to communism" has lost its fear factor? I don't see many requests for Scientific Socialism on the boards nor even requests for Christian Socialism, and many are still waiting, over sixty years now, for Social Security to turn America into a communist nation. Even the poor farms of early America didn't do the deed.

"It may be that the old battle cry: "socialism leads to communism"...


No, you dope, socialism IS communism.


There are six forms of governance that require the bending of the knee and the neck to government.

These six are actually only a single way of governing, the collectivist way: Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism,believing that government knows best. All six forms of socialism are simple variations on a theme: the individual must be subverted to the collective.



The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun


There are only two choices:

“There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government.
Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way.”
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Are you saying that the USA is a communist nation because there is no middle way? Once we passed the Social Security laws America was a communist nation? Do people know of this no middle way? So if the Poor Farms of colonial America was socialism the country has been a socialist nation almost since it began.

"Are you saying that the USA is a communist nation because there is no middle way?"


What I'm saying is clear.

This:
No, you dope, socialism IS communism.


There are six forms of governance that require the bending of the knee and the neck to government.

These six are actually only a single way of governing, the collectivist way: Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism,believing that government knows best. All six forms of socialism are simple variations on a theme: the individual must be subverted to the collective.



The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun


There are only two choices:

“There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government.
Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way.”
Books / Digital Text



Is America a capitalist or socialist economy?


Take your time.




OH.....this may help, from the Left-leaning Brookings Institute:


"The U.S. is Still a Capitalist Country"
The U.S. is Still a Capitalist Country




And your final answer is..........????

The US like many nations has a mixed economy, a lot of capitalism, with some socialism and maybe a few other economic systems.

 

[alang1216]

Dude, I've read your posts before. You sure the fuck ARE a Communist, a Stalinist democrat.

And Russian bot?

You're one of THOSE....

I'm curious, what in my posts tells you I'm a communist or Stalinist? Or are ALL Democrats communist/Stalinist to you?

As for Russian collusion being a tin-hat thing, if there is no fire there is certainly plenty of smoke:

• Donald Trump: Not only does his past and current team have ties to Russia, but the President himself also does. He has traveled to Russia extensively, done business there often, and has ties to Russian interests. For example, in 2008 he made a real estate sale to Russian billionaire, Dmitry Rybolovlev. Trump bought a Palm Beach mansion in 2004 during a bankruptcy sale for $41 million, and less than four years later, without ever having moved in, Trump sold the mansion to Rybolovlev for $95 million. In a May 2017 meeting in the Oval Office, he revealed highly classified information to the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak and foreign minister Sergei Lavrov. US media was banned from this meeting, but a Russian photographer was allowed in the session, later releasing these photos on the Russian state-owned news.
• Michael Flynn: Flynn, President Trump’s former National Security Advisor, was asked to resign just weeks after he was sworn in. His resignation came after it leaked that he misled Vice President Mike Pence about his communications with Russian officials, specifically Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak, before President Trump’s inauguration. In these communications, Flynn discussed sanctions imposed by the Obama administration on Russia – while President Obama was still in office. Earlier last year, he stated that the U.S. needs to respect that “Russia has its own national security strategy, and we have to try to figure out: How do we combine the United States’ national security strategy along with Russia’s national security strategy,” raising troubling questions. In 2015, Flynn delivered remarks at a Moscow gala honoring RT, Russia’s propaganda arm, where he was seated next to Putin. Flynn accepted $33,750 for this speech by RT, and did not correctly report the payment, thus concealing payment from a foreign government, and possibly violating the law in the meantime. Flynn continued to appear on RT as a foreign policy analyst. Altogether, Flynn was paid more than $67,000 by Russian companies before the 2016 presidential election.
• Jeff Sessions: Sessions, President Trump’s Attorney General, had two conversations with Ambassador Kislyak during the 2016 presidential election. However, during later confirmation hearings, he claimed that he “did not have communications with the Russians” when prompted by Senator Al Franken. Once reports of his meetings with Kislyak surfaced, Sessions recused himself from any investigation into Russia’s interference in our 2016 presidential election. Many officials are continuing to call for his resignation.

• Rex Tillerson: Tillerson, President Trump’s former Secretary of State, worked on energy projects in Russia for two decades during his career at Exxon. He has publicly described his “very close relationship” with President Putin and was awarded Russia’s Order of Friendship in 2013, the highest state honor possible for a foreigner.
• Jared Kushner: Kushner is President Trump's son-in-law and current Senior Advisor. Along with Michael Flynn, Kushner met with Ambassador Kislyak during the Presidential transition. The White House later acknowledged that following that meeting, Ambassador Kislyak requested a second meeting, which Kushner had a deputy attend. However, at Kislyak's request, Kushner did later meet with Sergey Gorkov, the head of Russia's state-owned development bank, who has close ties to President Putin. The U.S. placed this bank on its sanctions list following Russia's annexation of Crimea. The Senate Intelligence Committee plans to question Kushner about his meetings with Russian officials. The New York Times recently reported that Kusher failed to disclose dozens of contacts with foreign leaders on his application for top-secret security clearance -- one of those contacts being Ambassador Kislyak.
• Donald Trump, Jr.: Trump, Jr., President Trump’s son, met with Fabien Baussart, a leader of a Syrian opposition group backed by the Russian government, and others about how the U.S. could work with Russia on the Syrian conflict weeks before Donald Trump was elected President. He has also been quoted saying that his father’s businesses “see a lot of money pouring in from Russia”, and that he had visited Russia on business over a half-dozen times. In June 2016, he met with a Russian billionaire, Emin Agalarov, under the premise that Emin had “official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia” from the Crown prosecutor of Russia, and that this was part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
• Paul Manafort: Manafort, who has business connections to Russia and Ukraine, was hired as Trump’s campaign manager in March 2016. He then resigned in August of the same year, after reports surfaced that suggested he had received $12.7 million from Victor Yanukovych, Ukraine’s pro-Russia former president. It was recently revealed by AP that Manafort proposed in a strategy plan from as early as June 2005 that he would work to influence politics, business deals, and media inside the U.S. and Europe to benefit Putin. This plan was pitched to Oleg Deripaska, a "Russian aluminum magnate" with close ties to Putin. Manafort eventually signed a $10 million contract with Deripaska in early 2006. The Trump Administration and Manafort have both said that Manafort never worked for Russian interests. Since the FBI confirmed in a House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing on March 20 that investigators are examining whether the Trump campaign and its associates coordinated with Russia to interfere in the 2016 election, the White House has made attempts to distance itself from Manafort, claiming that he played "a very limited role" in the campaign, despite his clear leadership role as campaign chairman leading up to the Republican National Convention. On October 27, 2017, Manafort was indicted by a federal grand jury for conspiracy against the United States, among other charges.
• Carter Page: Page, hired as a foreign policy advisor to Trump’s 2016 campaign, was known to have deep ties to Gazprom, Russia’s state-owned gas company. In July 2016, a month after Russia's DNC meddling was reveled in the press, Page traveled to Moscow to make a speech. The Trump campaign approved this trip, saying he would not be traveling as an official representative of the campaign. In the speech he delivered in Moscow, he criticized American foreign policy as being hypocritical – remarks which ultimately led to his resignation from Trump’s campaign. Before joining the campaign, he was a businessman “of no particular renown” working in the Moscow branch of Merrill Lynch before creating his own consulting agency. Previously, Trump identified Page as one of a small group of advisors helping to craft his foreign policy platform during the campaign. However, President Trump’s staff now claims that “Carter Page is an individual who the [then] president-elect does not know.” Page met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak at the Republican National Convention in 2016. Buzzfeed recently reported that Page had met with a Russian intelligence agent named Victor Podobnyy in 2013, who was reportedly trying to recruit Page. Podobnyy was later charged by the U.S. for acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign government.
• Tevfik Arif: Arif, who founded Bayrock, a real estate group known to have many deals with Trump, had a 17-year career in the Soviet Ministry of Commerce and Trade.
• Roger Stone: Stone, a former advisor to Trump, had back channel conversations with Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks, which is the organization that published the DNC leaks and Podesta emails during the 2016 elections. He also had exchanges with Guccifer 2.0 -- a hacker believed to be linked to Russia involved in the 2016 hacking of Democratic National Committee emails -- in August 2016. Also in August, he tweeted "it will soon [be] Podesta's time in the barrell." About two months later, Wikileaks began posting John Podesta's emails.
• Felix Sater: Sater, formerly a senior advisor to the Trump Organization, is a Russian-born Bayrock associate with extensive involvement in organized crime. In 2015, he wrote an email to Trump’s lawyer, Cohen, referencing then-candidate Trump saying: “Our boy can become President of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”
• Alex Shnaider: Born in Russia, Shnaider co-financed a real estate project with Trump. Shnaider’s father-in-law, Boris J. Birshtein, was a close business associate of Sergei Mikhaylov, the head of one of the largest branches of the Russian mob.
• JD Gordon: Gordon, a national security advisor for the Trump campaign met with Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak during the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July, who he told he would like to improve US - Russia relations. He advocated for a change to the GOP national platform to make their policies more pro-Russian and less pro-Ukraine, a change which Gordon said was directly supported by then-candidate Donald Trump.
• Wilbur Ross: Ross, President Trump’s Secretary of Commerce, was the top shareholder in the Bank of Cyprus, an institution with deep Russian ties and investors who made fortunes under Russian President Vladimir Putin. According to McClatchy, the banking system in Cyprus, because of its dependence on Russian investors, is money-laundering concern for the US State Department. Ross served as the vice chairman of the board of directors for the Bank of Cyprus. The second largest investor in the Bank of Cyprus was Viktor Vekselberg, who once served on the Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft, which is under partial sanction by the US Treasury Department. Vekselberg is known to have a close relationship with Vladimir Putin. In February, six senators sent a letter to Ross inquiring about his relationship to Vekselberg. The senators also inquired about Ross’s relationship with Vladimir Strzhalkovsky, who is also linked to the Bank of Cyprus, was a former KGB agent, and is believed to be a Putin associate.
• Erik Prince: Prince, who had no formal role with the Trump campaign or transition team, had a secret meeting with a Russian close to President Putin, arranged by the United Arab Emirates, the Washington Post recently reported. The meeting reportedly took place around January 11, 2017 on the Seychelles islands, and was allegedly part of an effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Russia and then President-elect Trump. The UAE agreed to facilitate the meeting in order to explore Russia's willingness to curtail its relationship with Iran. Prince was a supporter of Trump, and has ties to Steve Bannon and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, who is his sister. He was also seen in Trump transition offices in December.
• Michael Cohen: Cohen is a longtime associate of President Trump’s and is his current personal lawyer. He has come under scrutiny for pursuing a Trump Tower deal in Moscow while Trump was campaigning to be President, and for alleged meetings with Russian officials in Prague. In January 2017, he met with a Ukrainian opposition politician and Felix Sater to discuss a plan to give Russia long term control over Ukraine and lift sanctions against Russia. They then put this plan in a sealed envelope and left it in the office of then National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.
• George Papadopoulos: Papadopoulos was a foreign policy advisor for the Trump Campaign. On October 27, 2017 it was revealed that Papadopoulos had plead guilty to making a false statement to federal investigators "about the timing, extent and nature of his relationships and interactions with certain foreign nationals whom he understood to have close connections with senior Russian officials." While working for the Trump Campaign, Papadopoulos met with an overseas professor who told him about the Russians possessing "dirt" on Hillary Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails." He repeatedly sought to use his connections to arrange a meeting between the campaign and Russian government officials. On March 31, 2016, at a foreign policy meeting with Trump and other campaign advisers, Papadopoulos shared that he could help arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin. He sent multiple emails to other members of the campaign about his contact with "the Russians" and "outreach to Russia."

 

[regent]

question for Chic: So has America been a communist nation since Social Security was passed?

 

[PoliticalChic]

question for Chic: So has America been a communist nation since Social Security was passed?

To which of these views do you subscribe?


a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

 

[alang1216]

question for Chic: So has America been a communist nation since Social Security was passed?

To which of these views do you subscribe?


a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

The only choices are polar opposites? You're being extreme as usual and attempting to polarize people. You must really hate America to want so much to tear it apart.

 

[PoliticalChic]

question for Chic: So has America been a communist nation since Social Security was passed?

To which of these views do you subscribe?


a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

The only choices are polar opposites? You're being extreme as usual and attempting to polarize people. You must really hate America to want so much to tear it apart.

Bet you've seen cable opinion shows where they encourage call-ins, and they have three categories: agree, disagree, don’t know.
What sort of moron calls in to say they have no opinion, or agrees with both sides?????
Yet that is the sort of moron we find sitting on the fence, claiming what is clearly and evidently false.



That’s what Reagan was getting at, here:

In 1975, Ronald Reagan set out his intention: “Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?”

“…no pale pastels, but bold colors…”

No obfuscation, no pretense to ease our relationships with the other side: make clear what one stands for, express it, explain it, defend it.
Be brave.






American politics is binary: there are only two choices:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

 

[alang1216]

American politics is binary: there are only two choices:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Patently false. There are only two parties but American politics run the gamut from ultra-nationalist to communist with some RINOs, libertarians and anarchists thrown in for good measure.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to choose either a. or b. and Americans want something in between these two extremes:

• Does Individualism mean every man for himself with no laws to govern him? Doesn't sound appealing. Does the collective mean no personal freedom at all, that describes prison and I doubt anyone wants that either.
• Do free markets mean no rules or regulations? Monopolies, child labor, defective products, hazardous waste dumping, etc. would all be OK. American has been there and it doesn't work for the vast majority.
  
• "limited constitutional government" vs "overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech" is a ridiculous choice since everyone wants the former and NO ONE wants the later. Of course, no two people will agree on the definition of "limited".

 

[PoliticalChic]

American politics is binary: there are only two choices:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Patently false. There are only two parties but American politics run the gamut from ultra-nationalist to communist with some RINOs, libertarians and anarchists thrown in for good measure.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to choose either a. or b. and Americans want something in between these two extremes:

• Does Individualism mean every man for himself with no laws to govern him? Doesn't sound appealing. Does the collective mean no personal freedom at all, that describes prison and I doubt anyone wants that either.
• Do free markets mean no rules or regulations? Monopolies, child labor, defective products, hazardous waste dumping, etc. would all be OK. American has been there and it doesn't work for the vast majority.
  
• "limited constitutional government" vs "overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech" is a ridiculous choice since everyone wants the former and NO ONE wants the later. Of course, no two people will agree on the definition of "limited".

How many parties have a chance to win a national election?




Take your time.

 

[alang1216]

American politics is binary: there are only two choices:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Patently false. There are only two parties but American politics run the gamut from ultra-nationalist to communist with some RINOs, libertarians and anarchists thrown in for good measure.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to choose either a. or b. and Americans want something in between these two extremes:

• Does Individualism mean every man for himself with no laws to govern him? Doesn't sound appealing. Does the collective mean no personal freedom at all, that describes prison and I doubt anyone wants that either.
• Do free markets mean no rules or regulations? Monopolies, child labor, defective products, hazardous waste dumping, etc. would all be OK. American has been there and it doesn't work for the vast majority.
  
• "limited constitutional government" vs "overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech" is a ridiculous choice since everyone wants the former and NO ONE wants the later. Of course, no two people will agree on the definition of "limited".

How many parties have a chance to win a national election?




Take your time.

Are you implying the GOP is the party of unfettered individualism and unregulated markets? Do they even agree what 'limited constitutional government' is?

I think 'limited constitutional government' is like Christianity. Nobody knows what it is but everyone has an opinion on what it is not.

 

[PoliticalChic]

American politics is binary: there are only two choices:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Patently false. There are only two parties but American politics run the gamut from ultra-nationalist to communist with some RINOs, libertarians and anarchists thrown in for good measure.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to choose either a. or b. and Americans want something in between these two extremes:

• Does Individualism mean every man for himself with no laws to govern him? Doesn't sound appealing. Does the collective mean no personal freedom at all, that describes prison and I doubt anyone wants that either.
• Do free markets mean no rules or regulations? Monopolies, child labor, defective products, hazardous waste dumping, etc. would all be OK. American has been there and it doesn't work for the vast majority.
  
• "limited constitutional government" vs "overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech" is a ridiculous choice since everyone wants the former and NO ONE wants the later. Of course, no two people will agree on the definition of "limited".

How many parties have a chance to win a national election?




Take your time.

Are you implying the GOP is the party of unfettered individualism and unregulated markets? Do they even agree what 'limited constitutional government' is?

I think 'limited constitutional government' is like Christianity. Nobody knows what it is but everyone has an opinion on what it is not.

How many parties have a chance to win a national election?

 

[alang1216]

How many parties have a chance to win a national election?

Take your time.

Are you implying the GOP is the party of unfettered individualism and unregulated markets? Do they even agree what 'limited constitutional government' is?

I think 'limited constitutional government' is like Christianity. Nobody knows what it is but everyone has an opinion on what it is not.

How many parties have a chance to win a national election?

Since you insist on hearing the obvious and ignoring all else, the answer to your question is: 2, the GOP and the Dems.

Are the GOP the party of unfettered individualism and unregulated markets? Does everyone in the GOP agree what 'limited constitutional government' is?

 

[PoliticalChic]

How many parties have a chance to win a national election?

Take your time.

Are you implying the GOP is the party of unfettered individualism and unregulated markets? Do they even agree what 'limited constitutional government' is?

I think 'limited constitutional government' is like Christianity. Nobody knows what it is but everyone has an opinion on what it is not.

How many parties have a chance to win a national election?

Since you insist on hearing the obvious and ignoring all else, the answer to your question is: 2, the GOP and the Dems.

Are the GOP the party of unfettered individualism and unregulated markets? Does everyone in the GOP agree what 'limited constitutional government' is?

"Since you insist on hearing the obvious and ignoring all else, the answer to your question is: 2, the GOP and the Dems."


Hence, there are only two choices, choosing the one closer to your beliefs:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.




Now....I'll borrow the statement of the President:

 

[alang1216]

Are the GOP the party of unfettered individualism and unregulated markets? Does everyone in the GOP agree what 'limited constitutional government' is?

"Since you insist on hearing the obvious and ignoring all else, the answer to your question is: 2, the GOP and the Dems."

Hence, there are only two choices, choosing the one closer to your beliefs:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

There are only two choices, choose one:

a. You're rich, you believe you are the model for who is an "American" and you believe all Americans need to think as you think, you got yours and think everyone else should get their own too regardless of circumstance.

or

b. You're not rich, you think Americans can be different from you and still be Americans, gov't has legitimate functions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are the GOP the party of unfettered individualism and unregulated markets? Does everyone in the GOP agree what 'limited constitutional government' is?

"Since you insist on hearing the obvious and ignoring all else, the answer to your question is: 2, the GOP and the Dems."

Hence, there are only two choices, choosing the one closer to your beliefs:an

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

There are only two choices, choose one:

a. You're rich, you believe you are the model for who is an "American" and you believe all Americans need to think as you think, you got yours and think everyone else should get their own too regardless of circumstance.

or

b. You're not rich, you think Americans can be different from you and still be Americans, gov't has legitimate functions.

I have given you the Litmus Test for who is a real American:


a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

or

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



The former is the view of our Founders, the latter, the Germanic doctrine of Hegel, Marx, Hitler and Lenin.




"...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959, page 144)


"Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual") concretizes the collectivist belief that individuals have no rights and that "the greater good" is the only standard of value. Under such a system, man is not an end to himself, only a tool to be sacrificed for the Führer, autocrat or ruling mob.

Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society.
Sipsey Street Irregulars: The lie before the crime. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual")




You really should stop relying on me for your education.