War on Christmas

I think it's a bit hypocritical of stores to sell Christmas decorations, Christmas trees, push the idea of purchasing Christmas presents and all the while substituted the word "holiday" for Christmas.


The christmas decorations of which you speak:

Christmas trees
Mistletoe
Christmas lights
Christmas presents
Holly

These are all traditions from YULE, not the Christ Mass.

Yule is a winter festival identified with Christmas in modern times.[1] The pagan Germanic peoples celebrated Yule from late December to early January on a date determined by the lunar Germanic calendar.[2] When the Julian calendar was adopted in northern Europe, Yule was placed on December 25 to correspond with the date of Christmas, but was originally on December 21.[3]

The word "Yule" come from the same root as the word "jolly." Modern Yule traditions include decorating a fir or spruce tree, burning a Yule log, hanging mistletoe and holly branches, giving gifts, and general celebration and merriment.

...Yule celebrations at the winter solstice predate Christianity. Yule is a feast celebrated by sacrifice on mid winter night 12 January, according to Norwegian historian Olav Bø. [7] There are many references to Yule in the Icelandic sagas but few accounts of how Yule was celebrated beyond the fact it was a time for feasting. According to Adam of Bremen, Swedish kings sacrificed male slaves every ninth year during the Yule sacrifices at the Temple at Uppsala. 'Yule-Joy' with dancing continued through the Middle Ages in Iceland but was frowned upon after the Reformation. The ritual of slaughtering a boar on Yule survives in the modern tradition of the Christmas ham and the Boar's Head Carol.

On Yule Eve the best boar in the herd was brought into the hall where the assembled company laid their hands upon the animal and made their unbreakable oaths. Heard by the boar these oaths were thought to go straight to the ears of Freyr himself. Once the oaths had been sworn the boar was sacrificed in the name of Freyr and the feast of boar flesh began. The most commonly recognised remnant of the sacred boar traditions once common at Yule has to be the serving of the boar's head at later Christmas feasts.[8]

According to the medieval English writer the Venerable Bede, Christian missionaries sent to proselytize among the Germanic peoples of northern Europe were instructed to superimpose Christian themes upon existing local pagan holidays, to ease the conversion of the people to Christianity by allowing them to retain their traditional celebrations. Thus, Christmas was created by associating stories of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, the central figure of Christianity, with the existing pagan Yule celebrations, similar to the formation of Halloween and All Saint's Day via Christianization of existing pagan traditions.

The confraternities of artisans of the ninth century, which developed into the medieval guilds, were denounced by Catholic clergy for their "conjurations" when they swore to support one another in coming adversity and in business ventures. The occasions were annual banquets on December 26,

"feast day of the pagan god Jul, when it was possible to couple with the spirits of the dead and with demons that returned to the surface of the earth... Many clerics denounced these conjurations as being not only a threat to public order but also, more serious in their eyes, satanic and immoral. Hincmar, in 858, sought in vain to Christianize them."[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule
 
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I can hear the plaintive tones in your voice. let's be clear here.

NO ONE is proposing that churches be denied the right to put up whatever display they wish on their private property. The "impositions" you have described are all assertions of a specific creed on shared public property. And, that seems to be an imposition on others, in that context.

So, the "war" on christmas isn't really a war at all, just a clarification of WHERE Christmas celebrations belong, and where they don't.

To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.
 
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I can hear the plaintive tones in your voice. let's be clear here.

NO ONE is proposing that churches be denied the right to put up whatever display they wish on their private property. The "impositions" you have described are all assertions of a specific creed on shared public property. And, that seems to be an imposition on others, in that context.

So, the "war" on christmas isn't really a war at all, just a clarification of WHERE Christmas celebrations belong, and where they don't.

To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

For many years, Christmas has been celebrated nationwide. Along with that, at Christmas time, the fire department and many other organizations collect and provide food and presents to the poor. This is done specifically at Christmas and it's done by people who work in the public. To call the tree a holiday tree instead of a Christmas tree because it might offend someone makes no sense at all. If you are offended, don't accept any of the food or gifts.

Christmas is a national holiday, it belongs nationwide. You don't like it, have it removed from our holidays.
 
I think it's a bit hypocritical of stores to sell Christmas decorations, Christmas trees, push the idea of purchasing Christmas presents and all the while substituted the word "holiday" for Christmas.

Why? These same stores sell Kwanza cards, and cards for all kinds of 'holidays.' If your argument were reasonable, then it would also be hypocritical of them not to greet everyone with a specific reference to every holiday for which they sell any products, or to refer to every holiday when they refer to any. Rather than do that, it makes sense to refer to 'holidays' generally.
 
For many years, Christmas has been celebrated nationwide. Along with that, at Christmas time, the fire department and many other organizations collect and provide food and presents to the poor. This is done specifically at Christmas and it's done by people who work in the public. To call the tree a holiday tree instead of a Christmas tree because it might offend someone makes no sense at all. If you are offended, don't accept any of the food or gifts.

Christmas is a national holiday, it belongs nationwide. You don't like it, have it removed from our holidays.



Christmas is a Federal Holiday in a predominately Christian nation. That's the fact that is driving atheists nuts! And that's why they wage a war on Christmas.. and that's why they piss down yer back and try to make you believe it rain! but,,,, they ain't foolin nobody!
 
Why? These same stores sell Kwanza cards, and cards for all kinds of 'holidays.' If your argument were reasonable, then it would also be hypocritical of them not to greet everyone with a specific reference to every holiday for which they sell any products, or to refer to every holiday when they refer to any. Rather than do that, it makes sense to refer to 'holidays' generally.



I can't wait for them to start selling atheist greeting cards,, that will be cool! wonder why they don't?? hey! there's a business idea.. for somebody..
 
To call the tree a holiday tree instead of a Christmas tree because it might offend someone makes no sense at all. If you are offended, don't accept any of the food or gifts.

Technically speaking, it's a YULE tree. The fact that Christians co-opted it, notwithstanding. So, perhaps we should call it what it is, and avoid these kinds of nasty understandings. ;)

And, your little manger scenes? They are mithraic in origin. ;)
 
Stop! I'm beginning to think the entire Christian religion is made up of myths and lies!

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I can hear the plaintive tones in your voice. let's be clear here.

NO ONE is proposing that churches be denied the right to put up whatever display they wish on their private property. The "impositions" you have described are all assertions of a specific creed on shared public property. And, that seems to be an imposition on others, in that context.

So, the "war" on christmas isn't really a war at all, just a clarification of WHERE Christmas celebrations belong, and where they don't.

To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.
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Praise Jesus! you got it EXACTLY
 
Christmas is a Federal Holiday in a predominately Christian nation. That's the fact that is driving atheists nuts!

Is it? Speaking as Christian, they seem pretty sane to me.



And that's why they wage a war on Christmas.. and that's why they piss down yer back and try to make you believe it rain! but,,,, they ain't foolin nobody!

Yeah, right.

Like you are.
 
"Christmas (IPA: /krɪsməs/), also referred to as Christmas Day or Christmastide, is an annual holiday celebrated on December 25 that marks and honors the birth of Jesus of Nazareth.[2][3][4] His birth, which is the basis for the anno Domini system of dating, has been determined by modern historians as having occurred between 7 and 2 BC. The date of celebration is not thought to be Jesus' actual date of birth. It may have been chosen to coincide with the winter solstice,[5] which the ancient Romans celebrated on December 25.[6]

Modern customs of the holiday include gift-giving, church celebrations, and the display of various decorations—including the Christmas tree, lights, mistletoe, nativity scenes and holly. Santa Claus (also referred to as Father Christmas, although the two figures have different origins) is a popular mythological figure often associated with bringing gifts at Christmas. Santa is generally believed to be the result of a syncretization between St. Nicholas of Myra and elements from pagan Nordic and Christian mythology, and his modern appearance is believed to have originated in 19th century media.

Christmas is celebrated throughout the Christian population, but is also celebrated by many non-Christians as a secular, cultural festival. The holiday is widely celebrated around the world, including in the United States, where it is celebrated by 96% of the population.[7] Some Orthodox groups celebrate Christmas on or near January 7, as January 7 corresponds to December 25 using the Julian calendar.[8] Because gift-giving and several other aspects of the holiday involve heightened economic activity among both Christians and non-Christians, Christmas has become a major event for many retailers."

Christmas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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