Dad2three
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In other words - disregard the indisputable IRS data. D2T here on USMB called it "bogus" so it must be.i'd say my "opinion" as validated by legitimate economists and not just rightwing rants, are pretty valid. if I didn't think so, I wouldn't hold to those opinions.
history bears out the failure of mises style Austrian, laissez-faire economic policies. and a lot of people fought to right those failures. reactionary rightwingers still have the same axes to grind.
but you're entitled to your opinion, as well. the fact that you think you're not being partisan or only expressing opinion is where the problem is.
but have a great day. I have to get working.
One problem though Jillian - the "right-wing" view of economics is based on what actually occurred through out history. Proven, real-world results.
Meanwhile, the so-called "economists" that you point to when building your view are giving opinion based solely on what they wish would happen (ie an immature view of a utopia where everyone has everything, where resources are infinite, and where everybody works really hard because they care about each other). The problem is, that immature model has failed 100% of the time it has been tried world wide (including right here in the U.S.).
LMAOROG
REALLY? PLEASE tell me ANYTIME conservative economics has EVER worked? ANYWHERE?
You false premise and myth are bullshit
UNCLE MILITIE HAD HIS LAB TEST WITH CHILE, IT FAILED, MISERABLY
THE KLOWN IN WISCONSIN'S TRYING ANOTHER ONE TODAY, IT'S EQUALLY AS BAD AND FAILING, lol
Conservative economics have a 100% success rate through out history. Literally. And liberal economics has had a 100% failure rate through out history. Literally.
Success: Ronald Reagan took over the second worst economy in U.S. history (behind the Great Depression) and created an economic tidal wave with conservative economics.
Failure: Jimmy Carter collapsed the U.S. economy using failed liberal ideological economics.
Success: Texas has created an economic tidal wave with conservative economics (increasing revenue by $22 billion over the past 15 years by fostering a business-friendly environment causing business and thus jobs to flock to Texas).
Failure: California has about $70 billion in debt using failed liberal ideological economics (decreasing revenue by a staggering $31.7 billion because their ignorants left-wing "punish success and reward failure to keep everyone beholden to the government plantation" policies have caused business - and thus jobs - to flee California).
High Tax States Are Losing Taxpayers - US News
Success: North Dakota has created an economic tidal wave with conservative economics (at the forefront of energy production).
Failure: After 60 years of complete Dumbocrat control (Dem mayors, Dem city council) and liberal utopia (ground zero for the most powerful unions in the world - like the UAW at work in GM, Ford, and Chrysler), Detroit was forced to file bankruptcy earlier this year.
Bonus Failure: Hugo Chavez collapsed Venezuela by implementing unadulterated failed liberal ideological economics (everything relevant was nationalized and then rationed - and as is always the case with liberal policy, this caused people to stop making an effort and thus production has plummeted).
I could literally go on all day but this is more than enough to prove you have no idea what you're talking about. You have no credibility left. Best of luck to you my friend.
Lived in Cali my entire life, which means for 40+ years I've heard the 'fleeing' Cali BS, it is bogus. Largest US state economy by 50%? lol
As Robert Tannenwald, Jon Shure, and Nicholas Johnson put it in their 2011 paper, Tax Flight Is a Myth, “raising taxes won’t spark a large wave of out-migration, and cutting taxes won’t spark a large wave of in-migration.”
Several studies have shown that nearly as many companies and jobs move into California each year as leave it. A 2005 study by the Public Policy Institute of California found that from 1993 to 2002 — when the question of jobs leaving California figured prominently in gubernatorial campaigns — the net job losses from relocation were tiny; never higher than 0.1 percent of the state’s total jobs.
Little has changed in the years since, with minimal leakage of jobs in a given year as companies move into and out of California, according to Donald Walls, who assembles the data PPIC used for its study.
Sorry my friend, cold-hard data from IRS taxes trumps your "it's bogus simply because I say it's bogus and I'm saying it because the facts are beating me in this debate" position.
Right, calling someones assertion that there is, when all fees and taxes are taken into effect, a 50% tax burden , bogus IS THE SAME AS CALLING IRS NUMBERS BOGUS?
In 2010 taxes collected by federal, state and municipal governments amounted to 24.8% of GDP.
Taxation in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia