Was Trump Wiretapped? Just the facts.

[Pop23]

Jesus, for months now all we've heard about was the Russian connection from unnamed sources. Then the NYTs, trying to nail Trump, brings wiretapping in, BY AN UNNAMED SOURCE, and all the sudden the sources are loony?
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Actually its Mark Levin and Brietbarts read that's looney. They took FISA warrants of foreign intelligence sources, and changed it to wiretaps of americans.

You obviously discount the unnamed source in the NYT story.

Like I said. A country (and I'll add the press), run for decades by children.

 

[FA_Q2]

The accusation has always been that the Russians "attempted" to alter the election by meddling. It doesn't matter whether they were successful. That would be a subjective opinion and subjective opinions can not be proven because they are based on opinions. The word "meddling" has been replaced with the more definitive and objective word "altering".
Trump supporters and cult followers get played every day and suckered into promoting his propaganda.

I don't see what Trump is so worried about. No matter if the Russians meddled or not, it doesn't change the results of the election. What his administration should be concentrating on is how to prevent foreign influence of US elections in the future.

how come trump hasn't made any attempt to sanction russia furthur for their interference ? could it be trumpovitch is in bed with our enemy putin?

Maybe because sanctions with Russia are an asinine idea that will accomplish nothing.

When did having positive relations become such a horrible thing. Russia needs to be dealt with carefully and the ball has been dropped with them for a long time.

 

[FA_Q2]

No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.

At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.

From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.

The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.


The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.


It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.​

From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election

It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.


If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.


It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles. ​

There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.

Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?

First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.

From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.

The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.​

According to the WP article:

The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)​

The article goes on to conclude:

Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.​

And lastly:

Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.​

So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?

1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?

2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?

Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.

The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.

How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?

Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.

The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.

Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
Actually, Lucy, ALL the media has been saying exactly that. They are quite clear that it would be a massive scandal and that it is an extremely serious accusation. Maybe your news sources on that side of the pond are different, but it's ALL I've been hearing.
Btw, since the White House has officially declined to offer any further comment until an investigation is completed, and since no one knows what in hell the President is talking about so how do you investigate it, don't be holding your breath waiting for any closure on this.

Whoever is the President can declassify information and it can be released publicly, which is why I commented that whatever The Trump Administration has seen that says that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped this should be declassified and released publicly.

I don't think doing that would affect any investigation, or perhaps it would, I'll have to read up if it would or wouldn't.

Wiretapping took place and it shows how arrogant the Obama administration was and so confident that Clinton would win the presidency. They were so sure that they went ahead with that reckless move what backfired on them since Mr. Trump now has the authority to review all of the former president's clandestine machinations. All we need now is to declassify all those despicable actions by the Obama administration. Either Obama gets lost in Hawaii never to be heard of again, or expose his nasty, destructive activities while president.

That is really the point though - he simply needs to declassify the information and release it to prove his claim.

The very fact that has not happened yet makes his claims shaky and vapid.

 

[Ame®icano]

I am now thinking the DNC, Obama, and Clinton invented The Russian Hacking Story as a False Pretense to get Wire Taps approved!

No one has seen the DNC server. No one has seen one shred of evidence alleged to be on that server.

It needs subpoenaed!

I'm thinking this is all gonna go away with someone, possibly Clapper taking a fall by saying there was no FISA, spooks wiretapped on their own, Barry stays clean and everyone, but Clapper, wash their hands and go home happy.

 

[Pop23]

The accusation has always been that the Russians "attempted" to alter the election by meddling. It doesn't matter whether they were successful. That would be a subjective opinion and subjective opinions can not be proven because they are based on opinions. The word "meddling" has been replaced with the more definitive and objective word "altering".
Trump supporters and cult followers get played every day and suckered into promoting his propaganda.

I don't see what Trump is so worried about. No matter if the Russians meddled or not, it doesn't change the results of the election. What his administration should be concentrating on is how to prevent foreign influence of US elections in the future.

how come trump hasn't made any attempt to sanction russia furthur for their interference ? could it be trumpovitch is in bed with our enemy putin?

Maybe because sanctions with Russia are an asinine idea that will accomplish nothing.

When did having positive relations become such a horrible thing. Russia needs to be dealt with carefully and the ball has been dropped with them for a long time.

If China gets its pantie in a wad, Russia could be a nice copilot.

 

[FA_Q2]

It's not like Obammy hasn't done it before:

"WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:

* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;
* Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;
* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;
* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;
* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);
* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;
* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and
* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”."

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration. It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

* In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks. The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked.
* Also in 2013, members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance. The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.”
* Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration. A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post.

Update – WikiLeaks tweeted overnight that the Obama Administration spied on their journalists as well"

Here’s the List: More Than a Dozen Proven Victims of Obama’s Many Wiretaps

Oh for God's sakes...really stretching it aren't you? NSA, DHS etc conducting normal spying are analogous to claiming Obama ordered the illegal wire tapping of a political rival? That's all you can come up with?

The incident with the reporter is not normal spying and was a huge deal. Obama was essentially attacking the media - a real attack on them not like the verbal crap that falls out of Trumps mouth.

The amazing thing is how it was swept under the rug and ignored while people were screaming over Benghazi. As usual, the real and dangerous acts the government does are ignored for much more trivial ones.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wait, so Trump can order FISA wiretaps of every Democrat politician? Pelosi and Schumer met with Russians, right?

Sure he can, but it would be HIGHLY illegal. Trump would have to get a FISA warrant first, and they aren't issued where the primary is an american.

He can use the Obama Exception, where you can get a wiretap on someone in the opposite political party, right

 

[The Original Tree]

Here is another good question

Why did Obama let Lois Lerner trash her own hard drive and claim all the emails were gone when any IT guy will tell you emails are on a server and backups run every day and the GOV is required to keep data for 7 years?

Answer:

Lerner and The IRS needed 30
Days to scrub her email account and backup tapes as well.

 

[defcon4]

No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.

At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.

From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.

The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.


The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.


It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.​

From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election

It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.


If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.


It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles. ​

There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.

Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?

First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.

From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.

The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.​

According to the WP article:

The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)​

The article goes on to conclude:

Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.​

And lastly:

Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.​

So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?

1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?

2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?

Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.

The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.

How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?

Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.

The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.

Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
Actually, Lucy, ALL the media has been saying exactly that. They are quite clear that it would be a massive scandal and that it is an extremely serious accusation. Maybe your news sources on that side of the pond are different, but it's ALL I've been hearing.
Btw, since the White House has officially declined to offer any further comment until an investigation is completed, and since no one knows what in hell the President is talking about so how do you investigate it, don't be holding your breath waiting for any closure on this.

Whoever is the President can declassify information and it can be released publicly, which is why I commented that whatever The Trump Administration has seen that says that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped this should be declassified and released publicly.

I don't think doing that would affect any investigation, or perhaps it would, I'll have to read up if it would or wouldn't.

Wiretapping took place and it shows how arrogant the Obama administration was and so confident that Clinton would win the presidency. They were so sure that they went ahead with that reckless move what backfired on them since Mr. Trump now has the authority to review all of the former president's clandestine machinations. All we need now is to declassify all those despicable actions by the Obama administration. Either Obama gets lost in Hawaii never to be heard of again, or expose his nasty, destructive activities while president.

That is really the point though - he simply needs to declassify the information and release it to prove his claim.

The very fact that has not happened yet makes his claims shaky and vapid.

I am sure he has his reasons. Orchestrating an opus and the crescendo will be the evidence. Let anticipation building up. I am sure he has evidence leveling such a serious accusation.

 

[The Original Tree]

All these investigations of Former and Current Trump team members and Wiretapping too, and they found NOTHING?

Nothing at all?

Lmfao.

 

[The Original Tree]

Kinda like The DNC had evidence of Russian Hacking they refuse to let anyone see.

Which story has the better legs?

The Obama Wire tap Story.

Hang on Lefties! Your whole Lying Shit Storm is about to blow up on your face!

The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.

How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?

Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.

The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.

Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
Actually, Lucy, ALL the media has been saying exactly that. They are quite clear that it would be a massive scandal and that it is an extremely serious accusation. Maybe your news sources on that side of the pond are different, but it's ALL I've been hearing.
Btw, since the White House has officially declined to offer any further comment until an investigation is completed, and since no one knows what in hell the President is talking about so how do you investigate it, don't be holding your breath waiting for any closure on this.

Whoever is the President can declassify information and it can be released publicly, which is why I commented that whatever The Trump Administration has seen that says that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped this should be declassified and released publicly.

I don't think doing that would affect any investigation, or perhaps it would, I'll have to read up if it would or wouldn't.

Wiretapping took place and it shows how arrogant the Obama administration was and so confident that Clinton would win the presidency. They were so sure that they went ahead with that reckless move what backfired on them since Mr. Trump now has the authority to review all of the former president's clandestine machinations. All we need now is to declassify all those despicable actions by the Obama administration. Either Obama gets lost in Hawaii never to be heard of again, or expose his nasty, destructive activities while president.

That is really the point though - he simply needs to declassify the information and release it to prove his claim.

The very fact that has not happened yet makes his claims shaky and vapid.

I am sure he has his reasons. Orchestrating an opus and the crescendo will be the evidence. Let anticipation building up. I am sure he has evidence leveling such a serious accusation.

 

[foggedinn]

I believe that some of Trump's conversations were tapped. Some of the people that he did business with were surveilled as a matter of national security. He would be personally aware that some of the leaks he is so upset about could only have come from conversations that he thought were private.
I don't see any of it as nafarious. Just a fact of the modern electronic age.

 

[Political Junky]

How long before impeachment hearings begin?

 

[The Original Tree]

Is Clapper Lying when he said there were no wire taps at Trump Tower?

That's Were Flynn was wiretapped.

Or is Clapper lying when he said there is no evidence of Russian Collusion with Trump?

 

[jc456]

There is about the same amount of evidence the Russians attempted to interfere as there is Obama ordered the wiretap.

It's all political theatre and narratives and it's past old

All the US Intelligence agencies are in agreement that the Russians attempted to interfere. They've provided as much evidence as can be provided without declassifying. Not only US Intelligence, but that of other countries in Europe who have been targeted by the Russians.

Compare that to nothing whatsoever supporting Trumps claim.

I'm not going to buy that there is some sort of massive conspiracy at work cooping the Intelligence community, the past adminstration, judiciary and the media attempting to topple Trump. That's a the product of a delusional and paranoid mind.

Talking about the "evidence" and providing the same is not the same thing.

Everyone is targeted by Russians, and mainly by us. It's what they do. It's what we do. Complaining about it, as it if happened first time is ridiculous.

Again, getting DNC "hacked" or rather leaked, and getting Podesta's emails doesn't mean that election was hacked. It just means that Dems are buthurt for losing and they need someone to blame.

Not everyone has the Russians attempting to interfere in their elections - refusing to take it seriously is ludicrous. It's a serious issue and you're just lobbing it off as "butthurt".

That's unbelievable.

dudette, that is the best double talkin I've ever witnessed. nothing ever was there, but you have to take that nothing serious. dare to explain your double talk?

wtf difference do facts make to Russian-Wingers like you and the rest of your KGB asshole buddies anyway? every damn one of you is stuck on dumbest bitch on the planet and wont ever get unstuck.

be proud.

Well present some and we'll see

 

[jc456]

How long before impeachment hearings begin?

Obummer isn't in office

 

[jc456]

You are such a gullible puppet... Its funny watching people like you running around chasing all the shiny objects....

Says the puppet...

'Russia Hacked The Election' - ZERO Evidence

'Trump and Putin / Russia Colluded' - ZERO Evidence / FBI Declares 'No'

'Flynn Illegally Communicated with Russians' - ZERO Evidence, NO Crime Committed

'Sessions had 'illegal / concerning communications' with Russians - ZERO evidence, NO Crime

And Illegally leaked info

.......

These accusations and leaks were made

- By Democrats, 32 of whom had 'communications' with Russians, 2 who lied about their 'communications' with Russians, 1 who has a history of exchanging 'gifts' with Russians, and 1 who met with Putin

- By Democrats AFTER their own hacked and released e-mails exposed them as being racist, sexist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic

- By Democrats after every important event in the Trump administration, such as after the outstanding State of The Union - called one of the best in US history - that both Liberal and Conservative papers praised.


AGAIN, only a child could not recognize the pattern / what's going on...only a snowflake could deny it with a straight face.

Who in God's name claimed Trump's no substance speech to Congress was one of the best.
What I read, it was his best speech ever, because he acted like an adult. But the total lack of substance/specifics, made the speech, empty.
Now folks like you think every time Trump farts, that fart topped even the Gettysburg Address.

Jealous

 

[radical right]

Maybe because sanctions with Russia are an asinine idea that will accomplish nothing.

Really, how about the uranium one company that the Russians bought a controlling interest in? We could impose export sanctions keeping Russia them from sending any of the uranium out of the country. Win - Win.

 

[radical right]

Here is another good question

Why did Obama let Lois Lerner trash her own hard drive and claim all the emails were gone when any IT guy will tell you emails are on a server and backups run every day and the GOV is required to keep data for 7 years?.

During the Bush years, 10 MILLION e-mails were deleted, and the backup tapes erased for a RNC server in the white house they used, and was subject to the investigation around the firing of the US attorneys.

 

[Coyote]

Examining Trump’s Wiretap Claim

It is the responsibility of the politician making a claim to provide information to support it. But Trump has failed to do so.


First, there is no evidence that the FBI wiretapped Trump’s phone or his campaign offices in Trump Tower. Indeed, the director of national intelligence flatly denied it.


Second, the claim is loosely based on two reports — a conservative blog and a BBC report — that cited anonymous sources who claimed that the FBI obtained a warrant in October to investigate two Russian banks. Neither report alleged any wrongdoing by Obama or even evidence that the warrant was obtained illegally. In fact, Heat Street and the BBC claimed that the FBI obtained a legal warrant from the FISA court.


Finally, there is no evidence Obama ordered any wiretapping, as Trump alleged. That would be handled by the FBI and Justice Department independently of the White House.​

It just get's crazier and crazier, move aside Birthers, now we have "proof" of the Deep State (Conspiracy Theory)

Trump and Republicans see a 'deep state' foe: Barack Obama

President Donald Trump's weekend allegations of a "Nixon/Watergate" plot to wiretap his 2016 campaign confused intelligence analysts, befuddled members of Congress and created fresh work for fact-checkers. Within 24 hours of his allegations, made on Twitter, the administration conceded that the president was basing his claim not on closely held information, but on a Breitbart News story quoting the conservative radio host and author Mark Levin.

But in conservative media, where the claim originated, Trump has gotten credit for cracking open a plot by a "deep state" of critics and conspirators to bring down his presidency. And the perpetrator is former president Barack Obama.


"It would [seem] that the 'Russia hacking' story was concocted not just to explain away an embarrassing election defeat, but to cover up the real scandal," wrote Breitbart's senior editor-at-large Joel Pollak.

"Trump confounds these people because he's always a step or two ahead," Rush Limbaugh told his listeners on Monday. "It's a direct line to the Democrat Party and Obama and members of the Obama administration that Trump is signaling, 'You don't face the usual feckless bunch of opponents who never fight you back.'"


Trump's wiretap allegations completed a feedback loop that started during the presidential campaign and has gotten sturdier since. The president's media diet includes cable television news shows, like "Fox and Friends," where guests and hosts regularly defend him. On Twitter, he frequently elevates stories that grew in conservative talk radio, or on sites like Breitbart News and InfoWars, out of view of a startled mainstream media. Monday's news cycle demonstrated just how strong the loop was, as Levin himself appeared on Fox News for 12 barely interrupted minutes to share his theory that the alleged wiretapping was a political hit job.​

....and what is offered as "proof" of Deep State subversion? The "Shadow Government"? A brief comment by Obama:

That story line was building long before Trump embraced it. Its origins were relatively banal. One week after the 2016 election, Obama told members of his campaign group, Organizing for America, that the Trump years would be boom times for activism.​

That's it...