Trumps 34 "Felonies", but this is not Lawfare

[SeaMajor7]

This folks, is gaslighting.

More to come...

^^^^THIS^^^^ is PROJECTION

 

[scruffy]

They don't understand that the indictment of Trump is illegitimate and 100% political.

They understand just fine.

They let themselves be led around by outright psychopaths like Pelosi, because they have nothing else on their plate. No plans, no policies, nothing helpful for America.

If any of the brain dead leftards had a plan or a vision we might see them get brave enough to challenge their scumbag leadership.

But that doesn't happen.

 

[Catsnmeters]

What exactly was the underlying felony that transformed the misdemeanors? You don’t even know to this day.

That’s one reason this thing will be tossed.

You are being lied too.

Trump and his team have known of the underlying crimes that made it a felony for months but lie to you.

See page page 11 "other crimes" of the link below which is Trump's team and the judge discussing these predicate crimes.

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People-v-DonaldTrump2-15-24Decision.pdf

Why do you think Trump is lying to you?

 

[Catsnmeters]

Why do you think the feds refused to take the case in the first place?

Here are some but not all of the reasons I was able to find. The link expanded on these points if you are interested.

Why Did Federal Prosecutors Drop Trump's Hush Money Case?

The answer may shed light on the strength of District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against Donald Trump.

www.lawfaremedia.org

When it comes to the problem of absent or unreliable witnesses, though, Bragg’s office is situated differently than SDNY in important ways. Unlike the Southern District, the district attorney’s office has no policy requiring that cooperating witnesses air all their dirty laundry with prosecutors ahead of time, meaning that Bragg apparently had fewer compunctions about putting Michael Cohen on the stand. It seems that Cohen’s relationship with prosecutors in the Southern District was genuinely strained by the end: During cross-examination by defense attorney Todd Blanche, Cohen acknowledged calling the federal prosecutors, along with the judge in his federal case, “corrupt” and “fucking animals.” Maybe the DA’s office was able to get off on a better foot with their star witness.

The specific charges at issue in the state prosecution, as opposed to the would-be federal case, also make Cohen less of a potential problem for Bragg than he would have been for SDNY. A FECA case against Trump would have required a great deal of evidence about Trump’s knowledge and mental state, which—in the absence of Weisselberg—only Cohen could have provided. The business records charges under which Trump was indicted in New York, though, are much less reliant on Cohen’s testimony.

In charging Trump under FECA, prosecutors would need to have shown that Trump “knowingly and willfully” violated the statute—that, as the Justice Department describes it, he “acted with knowledge that [his] conduct was against the law.” (In its 2017 update to its manual on “Federal Prosecution of Election Offenses,” the department relaxed the standard for just how much knowledge the defendant must have of the relevant law allegedly broken, but the mens rea requirement is still unusually high.) They also would have needed to convince a jury that the hush money payments were made specifically because of the election, rather than covering up Daniels’s and McDougal’s stories to spare Trump’s family embarrassment.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Here are some but not all of the reasons I was able to find. The link expanded on these points if you are interested.

Why Did Federal Prosecutors Drop Trump's Hush Money Case?

The answer may shed light on the strength of District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against Donald Trump.

www.lawfaremedia.org

When it comes to the problem of absent or unreliable witnesses, though, Bragg’s office is situated differently than SDNY in important ways. Unlike the Southern District, the district attorney’s office has no policy requiring that cooperating witnesses air all their dirty laundry with prosecutors ahead of time, meaning that Bragg apparently had fewer compunctions about putting Michael Cohen on the stand. It seems that Cohen’s relationship with prosecutors in the Southern District was genuinely strained by the end: During cross-examination by defense attorney Todd Blanche, Cohen acknowledged calling the federal prosecutors, along with the judge in his federal case, “corrupt” and “fucking animals.” Maybe the DA’s office was able to get off on a better foot with their star witness.

The specific charges at issue in the state prosecution, as opposed to the would-be federal case, also make Cohen less of a potential problem for Bragg than he would have been for SDNY. A FECA case against Trump would have required a great deal of evidence about Trump’s knowledge and mental state, which—in the absence of Weisselberg—only Cohen could have provided. The business records charges under which Trump was indicted in New York, though, are much less reliant on Cohen’s testimony.

In charging Trump under FECA, prosecutors would need to have shown that Trump “knowingly and willfully” violated the statute—that, as the Justice Department describes it, he “acted with knowledge that [his] conduct was against the law.” (In its 2017 update to its manual on “Federal Prosecution of Election Offenses,” the department relaxed the standard for just how much knowledge the defendant must have of the relevant law allegedly broken, but the mens rea requirement is still unusually high.) They also would have needed to convince a jury that the hush money payments were made specifically because of the election, rather than covering up Daniels’s and McDougal’s stories to spare Trump’s family embarrassment.

Lawfaremedia.org.
Are you really that dense?

 

[Catsnmeters]

Lawfaremedia.org.
Are you really that dense?

Not sure what you mean?

Did you expect me to pretend I know the in and outs of federal and state prosecutions?

Feel free to provide your own link that explains the legal reasons why they didn't take the case.

I'm also curious what you thought was incorrect in the article I posted. From a legal standpoint, the reasons made sense to me.

 

[MagicMike]

Do any sane people believe that Trump more dangerous that the Manson Family?

Dangerous?
That's dumb. Probably not murderous like the Manson Family but that doesn't mean he can't still be guilty of more felonies than Charles Manson.
All it takes is one to be a felon.

Do any sane people believe that Trump's alleged misdemeanors,

More than alleged. Proven in court.

which passed the statute of limitations,

Doesn't matter. Once it rose to felony level the statute of limitations no longer applied.

What is your point here anyway?
All of your snowflake whining and crying and second guessing is NOT going to change anything. No amount of spin is going to make convicted felon and ex President Trump any LESS guilty.
He's lost his first criminal trial and he has three more to go.
He is a LOSER!
The question is do you want to stick with him and be a LOSER also?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Dangerous?
That's dumb. Probably not murderous like the Manson Family but that doesn't mean he can't still be guilty of more felonies than Charles Manson.
All it takes is one to be a felon.

More than alleged. Proven in court.

Doesn't matter. Once it rose to felony level the statute of limitations no longer applied.

What is your point here anyway?
All of your snowflake whining and crying and second guessing is NOT going to change anything. No amount of spin is going to make convicted felon and ex President Trump any LESS guilty.
He's lost his first criminal trial and he has three more to go.
He is a LOSER!
The question is do you want to stick with him and be a LOSER also?

It’s an expired misdemeanor and the campaign finance “felonies” happened AFTER the election

 

[MagicMike]

It’s an expired misdemeanor and the campaign finance “felonies” happened AFTER the election

None of your OPINION on any of this matters at all.
GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!
The case won't survive on appeal and the SCOTUS won't touch it since the evidence for the prosecution was rock solid and convicted felon Trump's defense was anemic to nonexistent.
Get used to it snowflake.
Donald J. Trump is a convicted felon for the rest of his (hopefully) short, miserable life.
There MIGHT be some kind of participation trophy in all of this for you for whining though.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

None of your OPINION on any of this matters at all.
GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!
The case won't survive on appeal and the SCOTUS won't touch it since the evidence for the prosecution was rock solid and convicted felon Trump's defense was anemic to nonexistent.
Get used to it snowflake.
Donald J. Trump is a convicted felon for the rest of his (hopefully) short, miserable life.
There MIGHT be some kind of participation trophy in all of this for you for whining though.

By that logic OJ didn't murder Ron and Nicole either

You are willing and gleeful about destroying the Rule of Law in America because the Bad Orange Man scares you

 

[kyzr]

Not sure what you mean? Did you expect me to pretend I know the in and outs of federal and state prosecutions?

Feel free to provide your own link that explains the legal reasons why they didn't take the case.

I'm also curious what you thought was incorrect in the article I posted. From a legal standpoint, the reasons made sense to me.

1. Your link shows why Trump wasn't prosecuted for Federal Campaign Law violations.
2. That has nothing to do with Bragg's imaginary crime of _________ that was covered up by the legal NDA payments to Stormy.

 

[kyzr]

None of your OPINION on any of this matters at all.
GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!
The case won't survive on appeal and the SCOTUS won't touch it since the evidence for the prosecution was rock solid and convicted felon Trump's defense was anemic to nonexistent. Get used to it snowflake.
Donald J. Trump is a convicted felon for the rest of his (hopefully) short, miserable life.
There MIGHT be some kind of participation trophy in all of this for you for whining though.

There is no fucking way Trump's felonies stand after the appeal process.

Read and learn:

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4697118-braggs-thrill-kill-in-manhattan-could-prove-short-lived-on-appeal/

Bragg’s thrill kill in Manhattan could prove short-lived on appeal​

 

[Curried Goats]

There is no fucking way Trump's felonies stand after the appeal process.

Read and learn:

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4697118-braggs-thrill-kill-in-manhattan-could-prove-short-lived-on-appeal/

Bragg’s thrill kill in Manhattan could prove short-lived on appeal​

Who gives a shit what that hack thinks?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What exactly was the underlying felony that transformed the misdemeanors? You don’t even know to this day.

That’s one reason this thing will be tossed.

You have to find him guilty to learn what he's accused of

 

[j-mac]

You have to find him guilty to learn what he's accused of

Yeah, that’ll be tossed quicker than a dwarf on Thursday night…

 

[MagicMike]

By that logic OJ didn't murder Ron and Nicole either

You are willing and gleeful about destroying the Rule of Law in America because the Bad Orange Man scares you

The rule of law is holding fast. Just look at Hunter Biden's conviction.
If a POTUS' son can face justice and be convicted then we know the system is still sound.

 

[kyzr]

The rule of law is holding fast. Just look at Hunter Biden's conviction.
If a POTUS' son can face justice and be convicted then we know the system is still sound.

The fact that Trump was convicted of crimes that weren't even listed in a Bill of Particulars proves that the legal system was abused for political "Lawfare". So what crime was covered up by the payments to Stormy for a legal NDA?

 

[MagicMike]

There is no fucking way Trump's felonies stand after the appeal process.

Read and learn:

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4697118-braggs-thrill-kill-in-manhattan-could-prove-short-lived-on-appeal/

Bragg’s thrill kill in Manhattan could prove short-lived on appeal​

Interesting opinion piece. Still, it's just the standard right wing talking points.

 

[Curried Goats]

The fact that Trump was convicted of crimes that weren't even listed in a Bill of Particulars proves that the legal system was abused for political "Lawfare". So what crime was covered up by the payments to Stormy for a legal NDA?

He was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records.

 

[kyzr]

He was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records.

Those were misdemeanors.
They became felonies only because they covered up another crime.
So what was the crime that was covered up by the legal NDA payments to Stormy?
HINT: There was no other crime. The felonies are bullshit.