We Finally Know the Case Against Trump, and It Is Strong

/——-/ “ A fact which proved true since she won the popular vote,”
Which is totally meaningless since campaigns are structured to win the Electoral votes, not the popular.

Not meaningless. Being behind in the average of National polls is motivation to ensure no more information negative to the Trump campaign made it to the public.

Especially given the that the Access Hollywood tapes were already negatively impacting polls.

WW
 
Ah, yes, so it appears that the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, has been receiving quite a bit of flak for pursuing a case against none other than Donald Trump. However, I must say that upon closer inspection, the charges brought against Mr. Trump are anything but weak. In fact, the charge of creating false financial records is not novel and has been used time and time again in New York to prosecute individuals who create fake documentation to cover up campaign finance violations - precisely the accusation leveled against Mr. Trump, or rather, defendant Trump.

It's worth noting that the Manhattan D.A.'s office is hardly your run-of-the-mill local cog in the judicial system. Rather, it is unique, with jurisdiction over the financial capital of the world, which means the office regularly deals with complex white-collar crimes, including those involving high-profile individuals. Indeed, the office recently secured a conviction of the Trump Organization and a guilty plea from one of its top executives, Allen Weisselberg, on charges related to a tax fraud scheme.

Moreover, the books and records counts laid out in the charging papers against Mr. Trump are the bread and butter of the D.A.'s office. He is the 30th defendant to be indicted on false records charges by Mr. Bragg since he took office just over a year ago, with the D.A. bringing 151 counts under the statute so far. Indeed, the Trump Organization conviction and the Weisselberg plea included business falsification felonies.

The 34 felony books and records counts in the Trump indictment turn on the misstatement of the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels arranged by Michael Cohen in the waning days of the 2016 election and the repayment of that amount by Mr. Trump to Mr. Cohen, ostensibly as legal expenses. There are 11 counts for false invoices, 11 for false checks and check stubs and 12 for false general ledger entries. This allegedly violated the false records statute when various entries were made in business documents describing those repayments as legal fees.

While Mr. Trump's case may be unique in its particulars, his behavior is not. Individuals have often attempted to skirt the disclosure and dollar limit requirements of campaign finance regulations and falsified records to hide it. Contrary to Mr. Trump's protestations, New York prosecutors regularly charge felony violations of the books and records statute and win convictions when the crimes covered up were campaign finance violations, resulting in false entries in business records to conceal criminal activity.

All in all, my fellow members of this illustrious snakepit and a few ladies and gentlemen, it seems that Mr. Bragg is hardly navigating uncharted waters. His actions are supported by previous prosecutions in New York and elsewhere, which have demonstrated that state authorities can enforce state law in cases relating to federal candidates. It remains to be seen what will come of this case, but one thing is certain - Mr. Trump cannot persuasively argue that he is being singled out for some unprecedented theory of prosecution. He is being treated like any other New Yorker would be with similar evidence against him.

And let the war begin, the war of words, that is.

Cheers,
Rumpole.



For weeks, Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney, has come under heavy fire for pursuing a case against Donald Trump. Potential charges were described as being developed under a novel legal theory. And criticism has come not only from Mr. Trump and his allies, as expected, but also from many who are usually no friends of the former president but who feared it would be a weak case.

With the release of the indictment and accompanying statement of facts, we can now say that there’s nothing novel or weak about this case. The charge of creating false financial records is constantly brought by Mr. Bragg and other New York D.A.s. In particular, the creation of phony documentation to cover up campaign finance violations has been repeatedly prosecuted in New York. That is exactly what Mr. Trump stands accused of.
 
It's important to understand that prosecutors exercise discretion when deciding whether to indict, based on the unique facts and circumstances of each case. Comparing Trump's indictment to Hillary not being indicted oversimplifies the complexities of the legal system. Each case is assessed on its own merits, and differences in evidence, severity, and likelihood of conviction all play a role in the decision to prosecute.

Cheers,
Rumpole


The only things different are party affiliation and Trump used his own money. The other facts remain the same. Even the screwed up theory on tolling the statutes of limitations would apply.

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They are not felonies unless it can be tied to another crime...
Yes, the grand jury, prosecutors, and judge knew that before you did.


and Bragg won't say what that crime is....
He sure will, at trial. He doesn't have to put it in the charging document, because Trump is not being charged with those crimes.
 
That's not what I said
It sure is. It would only make it to an appeals court if the jury convicts Trump.


The jury system isn't infallible, and juror bias can certainly influence a decision.
You can't speak to the laws or the evidence. So you make up childish fantasies about the jury. That should be a strong clue to you how guilty he is.
 
It sure is. It would only make it to an appeals court if the jury convicts Trump.
Quote me saying it, dipshit.
The discussion was about the judge dismissing the case. I postulated that if this one doesn't, another may. If the jury finds him innocent, none of that matters.
You can't speak to the laws or the evidence. So you make up childish fantasies about the jury. That should be a strong clue to you how guilty he is.
This is all speculation, and you act as if you can tell the future. GFY.
You're one bitter hag, fart-fume.
Go pester someone else.
 
Quote me saying it
It directly follows from your comment. And I explained why. Tantrums won't help you, sorry.


The discussion was about the judge dismissing the case.
I mentioned that. You mentioned an appeals court.


This is all speculation, and you act as if you can tell the future.
No, the fact that you aren't speaking to the evidece or law -- and instead making up fantasies about the jury-- is gact, no speculation. Ad its obvious why you are doing this: you know he is guilty.
 
That all depends on the intent of payment and the amount of payment.

The payments to Storm Daniels can be considered to be a campaign contribution if the intent is to influence the election. A $130,000 payment exceeds the contribution limit. This was used successfully some years ago in charging a candidate for the US Senate.

There are also other potential crimes Bragg could use as the underlying crime such as various crimes Cohen was found guilty of that also involved Trump.

Also there is a state statue that could come into play.
Conspiring to promote a candidate through unlawful means, which is illegal under New York state election law.

Then there are payoffs to McDougal of $150,0000.

There are so many shading doings by Trump, that the possibilities are endless. To have an intelligent discussion of the underlying crime, we would have know what crime is Bragg going to use.

The payments to Storm Daniels can be considered to be a campaign contribution if the intent is to influence the election.

Bullshit.

This was used successfully some years ago in charging a candidate for the US Senate.

Any specifics?

There are also other potential crimes Bragg could use as the underlying crime such as various crimes Cohen was found guilty of that also involved Trump.

Cohen's tax evasion? Perjury?

Conspiring to promote a candidate through unlawful means, which is illegal under New York state election law.

Hush money isn't unlawful.

Then there are payoffs to McDougal of $150,000.

Which also aren't illegal.
 

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