We Finally Know the Case Against Trump, and It Is Strong

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because hush money is not illegal. It's just a phrase many use because of the related crimes that arise or may arise from the act,

Because hush money is not illegal.

Don't tell Fort Fun Indiana , he says that's a strawman.

 

[Rumpole]

Right, so where is the conviction for the hush money?

See post #419:
Because hush money is not illegal. It's just a phrase many use because of the related crimes that arise or may arise from the act,

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

30 similar indicted individuals...151 counts.

This guy knows what he's doing

He’s almost as good as your “bulldog” Mueller.

 

[Rumpole]

Because hush money is not illegal.

Don't tell Fort Fun Indiana , he says that's a strawman.

Well, if I encounter him and he raises the issue, I will. Until then, I'm afraid that burden is yours.

 

[para bellum]

The indictment that charges Trump with the crime of falsifying business documents does not mention interfering with the election. In fact, it does not even mention any election nor Stormy Daniels or any money.
The charges against Donald Trump – full text of indictment

It's all in the statement of facts that accompanies the indictment.

That's all it talks about.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Ah, yes, so it appears that the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, has been receiving quite a bit of flak for pursuing a case against none other than Donald Trump. However, I must say that upon closer inspection, the charges brought against Mr. Trump are anything but weak. In fact, the charge of creating false financial records is not novel and has been used time and time again in New York to prosecute individuals who create fake documentation to cover up campaign finance violations - precisely the accusation leveled against Mr. Trump, or rather, defendant Trump.

It's worth noting that the Manhattan D.A.'s office is hardly your run-of-the-mill local cog in the judicial system. Rather, it is unique, with jurisdiction over the financial capital of the world, which means the office regularly deals with complex white-collar crimes, including those involving high-profile individuals. Indeed, the office recently secured a conviction of the Trump Organization and a guilty plea from one of its top executives, Allen Weisselberg, on charges related to a tax fraud scheme.

Moreover, the books and records counts laid out in the charging papers against Mr. Trump are the bread and butter of the D.A.'s office. He is the 30th defendant to be indicted on false records charges by Mr. Bragg since he took office just over a year ago, with the D.A. bringing 151 counts under the statute so far. Indeed, the Trump Organization conviction and the Weisselberg plea included business falsification felonies.

The 34 felony books and records counts in the Trump indictment turn on the misstatement of the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels arranged by Michael Cohen in the waning days of the 2016 election and the repayment of that amount by Mr. Trump to Mr. Cohen, ostensibly as legal expenses. There are 11 counts for false invoices, 11 for false checks and check stubs and 12 for false general ledger entries. This allegedly violated the false records statute when various entries were made in business documents describing those repayments as legal fees.

While Mr. Trump's case may be unique in its particulars, his behavior is not. Individuals have often attempted to skirt the disclosure and dollar limit requirements of campaign finance regulations and falsified records to hide it. Contrary to Mr. Trump's protestations, New York prosecutors regularly charge felony violations of the books and records statute and win convictions when the crimes covered up were campaign finance violations, resulting in false entries in business records to conceal criminal activity.

All in all, my fellow members of this illustrious snakepit and a few ladies and gentlemen, it seems that Mr. Bragg is hardly navigating uncharted waters. His actions are supported by previous prosecutions in New York and elsewhere, which have demonstrated that state authorities can enforce state law in cases relating to federal candidates. It remains to be seen what will come of this case, but one thing is certain - Mr. Trump cannot persuasively argue that he is being singled out for some unprecedented theory of prosecution. He is being treated like any other New Yorker would be with similar evidence against him.

And let the war begin, the war of words, that is.

Cheers,
Rumpole.

Opinion | We Finally Know the Case Against Trump, and It Is Strong (Published 2023)

There’s nothing novel or weak about Alvin Bragg’s case.

www.nytimes.com

For weeks, Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney, has come under heavy fire for pursuing a case against Donald Trump. Potential charges were described as being developed under a novel legal theory. And criticism has come not only from Mr. Trump and his allies, as expected, but also from many who are usually no friends of the former president but who feared it would be a weak case.

With the release of the indictment and accompanying statement of facts, we can now say that there’s nothing novel or weak about this case. The charge of creating false financial records is constantly brought by Mr. Bragg and other New York D.A.s. In particular, the creation of phony documentation to cover up campaign finance violations has been repeatedly prosecuted in New York. That is exactly what Mr. Trump stands accused of.

You’re extremely boring. You’re the guy at a party everyone tries to avoid because they’ve already seen you trap several people in a corner and drone on and on and on.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Right, so where is the conviction for the hush money?

Ignore the sea lion

 

[toobfreak]

It sounds exactly like Trump declaring a stolen election BEFORE the election happened because he knew he would lose

It also sounds like Trump declaring that the democrats were going to steal the election through some insider knowledge that he had to the clueless republicans, then their doing exactly so and ADMITTING IT in national B&W print in Time Magazine detailing that they had to steal the election to save the election from Trump who was saying they would steal the election. Literally bragging about it and their secret cabal to organize election theft through a massive ballot-harvesting campaign.

Time Magazine, Molly Ball. Feb 3, 2021 I believe.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Cohen served jail time for a felony conviction....IDIOT

Cohen the felon and perjurer is Bragga The Huts star witness you …..IDIOT

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Because hush money is not illegal.

Don't tell Fort Fun Indiana , he says that's a strawman.

It sure is. And he is wasting his time responding to it.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Our country is facing massive problems and all the Democrats do is create one fake crisis after another. You would have to be an idiot to not understand what has transpired over the last seven years.

Our country is facing massive problems mostly created by the dems . This latest witch hunt is just another distraction from the absolute failure, corruption and incompetence of Foreign Affairs Disaster *Joe. Did you leftist figure out there’s no more talk of stolen documents in *Joes garage and other places? Your “news “ sources rarely talk about inflation and high prices. The made up deflections work on you gullible fools every single time.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

It was decision of military commanders to not shoot it down over land, because they couldnt ensure it wouldnt damage something on the way down.

You still believe that spin!
HahahhahahahaahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahHhhhHAHAAaaa

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Tax evasion plus campaign finance violation.

All caught up now?

It’s the big one! It’s the one you’ve been dreaming of! You gottem this time for sure!

 

[Rumpole]

You’re extremely boring. You’re the guy at a party everyone tries to avoid because they’ve already seen you trap several people in a corner and drone on and on and on.

I'm sorry to inform you that my posts are not designed for those who are infected with attention deficits, short attention spans, the type who must read cliff notes to learn anything, otherwise known as the mental miniscule.

If you can't comment, refute, or counter the premise in the OP, or otherwise contribute to move the debate forward,
please pester someone else.

Hell, the incontrovertible proof of your mendacious mediocrity is your handle.

And you, YOU? You are accusing me of boring? You're like the snake accusing a deaf person he has a hearing problem.

Cheers,
Rumpole

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

I'm sorry to inform you that my posts are not designed for those who are inflected with attention deficits, short attention spans, the type who must read cliff notes to learn anything, otherwise known as the mental midget.

If you can't comment, refute, or counter the premise in the OP, or otherwise contribute to move the debate forward,
please pester someone else.

Hell, the incontrovertible proof of your mendacious mediocrity is your handle.

And you, YOU? You are accusing me of boring? You're like the snake accusing a deaf person he has a hearing problem.

Cheers,
Rumpole

Cheers,
Rumphole

You're so cool!

 

[Orangecat]

It directly follows from your comment.

So you can't quote me saying what you contend I said. GFY.

No, the fact that you aren't speaking to the evidece or law --

"Evidece" is not a word.

is gact, no speculation.

Nor is "gact".

Ad its obvious why you are doing this:

"Ad"?
"Its"?
Learn contractions, you illiterate imbecile.

you know he is guilty.

I don't know if he's guilty or not.
You're starting to sound hysterical here, hon.
Try breathing into a paper bag for a minute or so.

 

[Lisa558]

It was decision of military commanders to not shoot it down over land, because they couldnt ensure it wouldnt damage something on the way down.

Then why didn’t they shoot it down before it even reached U.S. airspace?

 

[Lesh]

So you can't quote me saying what you contend I said. GFY.

"Evidece" is not a word.

Nor is "gact".

"Ad"?
"Its"?
Learn contractions, you illiterate imbecile.

I don't know if he's guilty or not.
You're starting to sound hysterical here, hon.
Try breathing into a paper bag for a minute or so.

Reduced to spell check Nazi?

If ya got Nuffin else ai guess

 

[Rumpole]

Our country is facing massive problems mostly created by the dems . This latest witch hunt is just another distraction from the absolute failure, corruption and incompetence of Foreign Affairs Disaster *Joe. Did you leftist figure out there’s no more talk of stolen documents in *Joes garage and other places? Your “news “ sources rarely talk about inflation and high prices. The made up deflections work on you gullible fools every single time.

Instead of cheap shots from the sideline, why don't you start a thread on one of those points, and we'll debate it?

Or, are you not interested in testing the merits of your claims?

 

[Orangecat]

If ya got Nuffin else ai guess

It's funny when you play stupid in an attempt to sound intelligent.