We Finally Know the Case Against Trump, and It Is Strong

[Toddsterpatriot]

The indictment says nothing about the underlying crime. We are just assuming it is the Daniels payoff. Hush money is a crime if the intent is to influence the election and the amount is above the campaign contribution limit of $2700 because hush money can be considered a campaign contribution.

About half the charges in the indictment list checks to Cohen. The rest are just check number. The party is not listed.

Hush money is a crime if the intent is to influence the election and the amount is above the campaign contribution limit of $2700 because hush money can be considered a campaign contribution.

Can you post the statute?

 

[OKTexas]

*In Trump cult fantasies.

Because you can't speak to the laws or evidence.

Sure I can. But you're not interested in them so don't waste my time.

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[WorldWatcher]

Not meaningless. Being behind in the average of National polls is motivation to ensure no more information negative to the Trump campaign made it to the public.

Especially given the that the Access Hollywood tapes were already negatively impacting polls.

WW

Cellblock2429 - You flagged the above post as "Fake News". Sorry, Clinton was ahead of the Trump at the national level based on the average of many polls.

Not fake news.

WW

 

[Rumpole]

The only things different are party affiliation and Trump used his own money. The other facts remain the same. Even the screwed up theory on tolling the statutes of limitations would apply.

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The tolling issue is neither right nor wrong, it's something that has to be ruled on. There's a good chance NY will succeed on the issue.
The difference is that the Bragg indictment does not contain the hush money payments, election fraud, in the indictment. They 'might' be used in the enhancement, that's it.

 

[Rumpole]

There is no case.... Trump will be vindicated once more...

We shall find out, in time, though I disagree.

 

[OKTexas]

The indictment says nothing about the underlying crime. We are just assuming it is the Daniels payoff. Hush money is a crime if the intent is to influence the election and the amount is above the campaign contribution limit of $2700 because hush money can be considered a campaign contribution.

About half the charges in the indictment list checks to Cohen. The rest are just check number. The party is not listed.

Not stating the underlying crime makes the indictment defective on its face, the 6th amendment says ALL the charges MUST be made available to the defendant. The judge should have never allowed the indictment to stand as written. And hush money can only be considered a campaign contribution IF THERE IS NO PERSONAL BENEFIT. Which in this case there was.

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[OKTexas]

The tolling issue is neither right nor wrong, it's something that has to be ruled on. There's a good chance NY will succeed on the issue.
The difference is that the Bragg indictment does not contain the hush money payments, election fraud, in the indictment. They 'might' be used in the enhancement, that's it.

That's enough to require them to be listed, otherwise it's a 6th amendment violation.

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[ElmerMudd]

The tolling issue is neither right nor wrong, it's something that has to be ruled on. There's a good chance NY will succeed on the issue.
The difference is that the Bragg indictment does not contain the hush money payments, election fraud, in the indictment. They 'might' be used in the enhancement, that's it.

Trump will have more criminal indictments to come. He is finally being held accountable for his actions.
It is amazing how people with power and money can delay consequences, of their actions, in our judicial system. But the judicial system will eventually make them accountable. It is happening now for Trump.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The payments to Storm Daniels can be considered to be a campaign contribution if the intent is to influence the election.

Bullshit.

Well, we know you're wrong. Trump's lackey went to federal prison for those felonies he committed at the direction of Trump.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Hush money is a crime if the intent is to influence the election and the amount is above the campaign contribution limit of $2700 because hush money can be considered a campaign contribution.

Can you post the statute?

Can you look up Cohen's convictions? You sure can.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, we know you're wrong. Trump's lackey went to federal prison for those felonies he committed at the direction of Trump.

Yeah, all that tax avoidance and perjury, just awful.

The fake felonies were funny.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yeah, all that tax avoidance and perjury, just awful.

The fake felonies were funny.

Sorry, nobody has to give any attention to your fantasies. The felonies are a fact in the record.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Can you look up Cohen's convictions? You sure can.

I did.

I didn't see anything about a hush money conviction.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sorry, nobody has to give any attention to your fantasies. The felonies are a fact in the record.

Yes, the fake felonies are on the record.

 

[Rumpole]

Hush money is a crime if the intent is to influence the election and the amount is above the campaign contribution limit of $2700 because hush money can be considered a campaign contribution.

Can you post the statute?

All one has to do is look up the Cohen charging document, which, you could have done, but, I've done it for you:

In August 2018, Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to numerous federal crimes, including these campaign finance crimes:

Campaign finance violation
Title 52, United States Code, Section 30101

Causing an unlawful corporate campaign contribution
(Title 52, United States Code, Sections 30118(a) and
30109(d) (1) (A), and Title 18, United States Code, Section 2(b}

Excessive campaign contribution:
Title 52, United States Code, Sections 30116(a) (1) (A),
30116(a) (7), and 30109(d) (1) (A), and Title 18, United States
Code, Section 2(b)

Reference:

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I did.

I didn't see anything about a hush money conviction.

Bummer. I guess new glasses are in order. Good luck.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, the fake felonies are on the record.

*As real felonies. Reality doesn't have to pay any mind to your cult fantasies.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Not stating the underlying crime makes the indictment defective on its face, the 6th amendment says ALL the charges MUST be made available to the defendant. The judge should have never allowed the indictment to stand as written. And hush money can only be considered a campaign contribution IF THERE IS NO PERSONAL BENEFIT. Which in this case there was.

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The indictment does show ALL the charges under which Trump was charged. They all stem from Section 175.10 of the New York State Penal Code on First Degree Falsification of Business Records.

WW

 

[Rumpole]

I did.

I didn't see anything about a hush money conviction.

Because hush money is not illegal. It's just a phrase many use because of the related crimes that arise or may arise from the act,

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All one has to do is look up the Cohen charging document, which, you could have done, but, I've done it for you:

In August 2018, Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to numerous federal crimes, including these campaign finance crimes:

Campaign finance violation
Title 52, United States Code, Section 30101

Causing an unlawful corporate campaign contribution
(Title 52, United States Code, Sections 30118(a) and
30109(d) (1) (A), and Title 18, United States Code, Section 2(b}

Excessive campaign contribution:
Title 52, United States Code, Sections 30116(a) (1) (A),
30116(a) (7), and 30109(d) (1) (A), and Title 18, United States
Code, Section 2(b)

Reference:

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Right, so where is the conviction for the hush money?