We Need Government Healthcare Like Canada!

[Dragonlady]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Trump said we would first repeal Obamacare, then replace it with something else. The Rino's in our Senate stopped the repeal. CommieCare is still alive and well today.

The ACA may be alive, but it's certainly not well, after a death by a thousand cuts. First Republicans cut the taxes that pay for it. Then they cut the mandate. Trump hemmed and hawed over funding the exchanges until a number of insurance companies pulled out altogether in some states. Trump also gave broad "religious freedom" to employers to exclude women's reproductive health, including birth control, from employee health insurance. And now the "pre-existing conditions" protectionss and Medicaid Expansion are being threatened in the Supreme Court where the Barr Administration will not argue in favour of the law.

I have long thought that American health care is not really "health care", it's "sick care". People don't go to the doctor until something is wrong with them. It's a good part of the reason why you're health care expenses are so high. People are really really sick by the time they get there. In the meantime, I'm getting nagged by my PCP that I'm past due for my Mammogram, and OHIP sent me a colon cancer test kit too.

I found this article useful, given our discussion of declining life expectancy in the USA:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...a65daa-4f6c-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html

 

[Cecilie1200]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Yeah, I've already said everything that your blank, unsubstantiated assertions of fact require.

I didn't vote for Trump last time, and I wouldn't wipe my ass with anything about the Bloomberg campaign, so nice try at making this about "ooh, you're a mindless fan", but no dice. You're just gonna have to make your arguments on the merits, God help you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Trump said we would first repeal Obamacare, then replace it with something else. The Rino's in our Senate stopped the repeal. CommieCare is still alive and well today.

I also don't see, "Well, Trump didn't do XYZ, therefore we need to socialize medicine!" as anything but a gross non sequitur.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Yeah, I've already said everything that your blank, unsubstantiated assertions of fact require.

I didn't vote for Trump last time, and I wouldn't wipe my ass with anything about the Bloomberg campaign, so nice try at making this about "ooh, you're a mindless fan", but no dice. You're just gonna have to make your arguments on the merits, God help you.

I do not subscribe to the male dominator God perceptual reality and you can revisit what Don said below:

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Trump said we would first repeal Obamacare, then replace it with something else. The Rino's in our Senate stopped the repeal. CommieCare is still alive and well today.

I also don't see, "Well, Trump didn't do XYZ, therefore we need to socialize medicine!" as anything but a gross non sequitur.

What you think you see is irrelevant to me.

 

[Dragonlady]

Did you ignore my post 35 minutes ago (post 265), saying "increased federal spending"? Spending and costs are not the same word, and you were initially referring to costs. I tried to gently correct you, without making a deal of it. Stow your misplaced insult - I make mistakes, like everyone, but I don't have a need to lie or bluff.

Was this NOT your four-word response?

"$30T, not $30T in additional costs."

Yes, because 'costs' and federal spending are not the same. When a State's share of Medicaid spending begins to be covered by Medicare for all, the cost doesn't change. The spending shifts - increasing at the federal level and dropping at the state level.

Really? Now you're going to get into semantics?

Admit it you had no clue and thought you'd score some points?

You think the difference between 'cost' and 'increased federal spending' is semantic? I gave you an example - where costs remain the same, but the spending burden shifts to the feds. If you want to pretend that's 'semantics', knock yourself out.

Semantics.

Medicare for all will cost an additional $34 TRILLION over 10 years.

For Medicare for all, we will SPEND an additional $34 TRILLION over 10 years.

Why yes, I see the stark difference now, how could I have missed it?

How much will you spend on private insurance over 10 years? Americans are spending $3.4 trilliion just on co-pays and deductibles in 2019, $670 billion on direct insurance premiums, and employer based family coverage costs over $20,000 per year per employee. 80% of Americans with health inusrance coverage get it through their employer.

Single payer health insurance wipes out the health insurance premiums and copays. Americans look at the higher income tax rates in Canada and say "No way", but if you compare what American pay in Taxes, and health insurance premiums, our tax rates our lower. By $1500 per year for a low income family.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Health care can be overhauled and made cheaper. Start with tort reform. Stop providing any medical care to those illegally here. Deport them. Let doctors and patients negotiate payment for routine care. Insurance should never be used to see a doctor for a cold or pap tests.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Yeah, I've already said everything that your blank, unsubstantiated assertions of fact require.

I didn't vote for Trump last time, and I wouldn't wipe my ass with anything about the Bloomberg campaign, so nice try at making this about "ooh, you're a mindless fan", but no dice. You're just gonna have to make your arguments on the merits, God help you.

I do not subscribe to the male dominator God perceptual reality and you can revisit what Don said below:

I do not subscribe to the "I'm going to focus on this one word so that I can pretend I didn't hear the point" coward school of debating.

You can revisit what I said about Trump above. As much as you want to make every topic about "But TTTRRRUUMMMMPPP!!!!" it's not gonna work here. This is about whether or not socializing medicine is a shit idea, not about your obsessive TDS.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Trump said we would first repeal Obamacare, then replace it with something else. The Rino's in our Senate stopped the repeal. CommieCare is still alive and well today.

I also don't see, "Well, Trump didn't do XYZ, therefore we need to socialize medicine!" as anything but a gross non sequitur.

What you think you see is irrelevant to me.

Probably why I wasn't addressing you.

Your belief that everything in the world revolves around your opinion of it is irrelevant to ME.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Was this NOT your four-word response?

"$30T, not $30T in additional costs."

Yes, because 'costs' and federal spending are not the same. When a State's share of Medicaid spending begins to be covered by Medicare for all, the cost doesn't change. The spending shifts - increasing at the federal level and dropping at the state level.

Really? Now you're going to get into semantics?

Admit it you had no clue and thought you'd score some points?

You think the difference between 'cost' and 'increased federal spending' is semantic? I gave you an example - where costs remain the same, but the spending burden shifts to the feds. If you want to pretend that's 'semantics', knock yourself out.

Semantics.

Medicare for all will cost an additional $34 TRILLION over 10 years.

For Medicare for all, we will SPEND an additional $34 TRILLION over 10 years.

Why yes, I see the stark difference now, how could I have missed it?

How much will you spend on private insurance over 10 years? Americans are spending $3.4 trilliion just on co-pays and deductibles in 2019, $670 billion on direct insurance premiums, and employer based family coverage costs over $20,000 per year per employee. 80% of Americans with health inusrance coverage get it through their employer.

Single payer health insurance wipes out the health insurance premiums and copays. Americans look at the higher income tax rates in Canada and say "No way", but if you compare what American pay in Taxes, and health insurance premiums, our tax rates our lower. By $1500 per year for a low income family.

No, sweetie, it doesn't "wipe out" anything; it just charges you for it in a different way.

And lest I forget, WHAT FUCKING BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS WHAT AMERICAN HEALTHCARE IS LIKE?

 

[Andylusion]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Yeah, this is the most baffling and annoying aspect of the entire debate!

Canadians pay all those taxes, to pay for "free" health care, and now more and more Canadians are pushing for private insurance, because they are sick and tired of waiting year... literally years... for basic surgeries.

So now they'll still pay the premiums and co-pays and all the rest... and they still pay the high taxes.

I don't know about you... but I'm sold on gov-care.... sign me up... . sounds great....

 

[Cecilie1200]

Health care can be overhauled and made cheaper. Start with tort reform. Stop providing any medical care to those illegally here. Deport them. Let doctors and patients negotiate payment for routine care. Insurance should never be used to see a doctor for a cold or pap tests.

And don't forget "let people shop more freely for their insurance, instead of within narrowly prescribed boundaries according to government regulations".

 

[Issa]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

With inssurance in the US and it can be worse. What's also worse millions are with no health care, and millions cant afford the Bill's. I live here I have family and friends in both canada and europe when it comes to health, education and safety net they take care of their own we rather give it to big pharma, wars and politicians.

 

[22lcidw]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Trump said we would first repeal Obamacare, then replace it with something else. The Rino's in our Senate stopped the repeal. CommieCare is still alive and well today.

No, Don said everyone would be covered, better than ever. He had 2 years with majorities in both houses and never made move one on any of what he spewed. I'll never, thankfully, understand partisanshitheads who glom onto "one" of "these" political parties only to wind up endlessly blathering excuses as to why the party they chose can never quite get it done.

We all want 100% of what a politician says don't we? Do you think the Prog side is going to give Trump the time of day in a bipartisan effort for true healthcare reform? Obamacare was a massive clusterphuk. And you saw what primadonnas these politicians are with McCain and the vote to remove it. You have no right to steal from anyone who attempts to take care of themselves. And if you give free health benefits to some, then charging the rest for the same benefits is pure evil. Just like Spectrum Cable sucks!

 

[Issa]

Caught ya'!!!

Huh

View attachment 307631

What country do you live?

USA!

Then why did you write: "I worked with a guy who had to move to America because his pain level was a 7 and couldn’t be seen for months."

Freudian slip?

No he moved to America and was treated and moved back after we fixed him

Yet millions of americans cross the borders for cheaper healthcare they cant afford in their own country. You must be proud.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

With inssurance in the US and it can be worse. What's also worse millions are with no health care, and millions cant afford the Bill's. I live here I have family and friends in both canada and europe when it comes to health, education and safety net they take care of their own we rather give it to big pharma, wars and politicians.

And yet with all these other great places you speak of, you live here.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Trump said we would first repeal Obamacare, then replace it with something else. The Rino's in our Senate stopped the repeal. CommieCare is still alive and well today.

The ACA may be alive, but it's certainly not well, after a death by a thousand cuts. First Republicans cut the taxes that pay for it. Then they cut the mandate. Trump hemmed and hawed over funding the exchanges until a number of insurance companies pulled out altogether in some states. Trump also gave broad "religious freedom" to employers to exclude women's reproductive health, including birth control, from employee health insurance. And now the "pre-existing conditions" protectionss and Medicaid Expansion are being threatened in the Supreme Court where the Barr Administration will not argue in favour of the law.

I have long thought that American health care is not really "health care", it's "sick care". People don't go to the doctor until something is wrong with them. It's a good part of the reason why you're health care expenses are so high. People are really really sick by the time they get there. In the meantime, I'm getting nagged by my PCP that I'm past due for my Mammogram, and OHIP sent me a colon cancer test kit too.

I found this article useful, given our discussion of declining life expectancy in the USA:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...a65daa-4f6c-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html

Our healthcare expenses are so high because quality costs money, and the government of course.

If a person on Medicare gets a 700,000 surgery, Medicare only pays 80% of that cost. The rest, the hospital has to eat. To combat these losses, some providers are refusing new government patients. This includes Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIPS patients.

Others simply increase the cost of care so that private insurance indirectly pays for it, and we all know where private insurance gets their money from. It's the same after DumBama started his idiotic medical care plan. He placed a huge tax on medical supplies, and again, we know who has to pay for that.

Between that, lawsuits, nickel and dime processing claims, it all adds up to unaffordable healthcare for millions. As President Reagan once said, Government is not the solution of our problem--government is the problem.

 

[Markle]

How much will you spend on private insurance over 10 years? Americans are spending $3.4 trilliion just on co-pays and deductibles in 2019, $670 billion on direct insurance premiums, and employer based family coverage costs over $20,000 per year per employee. 80% of Americans with health inusrance coverage get it through their employer.

Single payer health insurance wipes out the health insurance premiums and copays. Americans look at the higher income tax rates in Canada and say "No way", but if you compare what American pay in Taxes, and health insurance premiums, our tax rates our lower. By $1500 per year for a low income family.

Somehow you forgot to include your reliable sources and working links to your allegations.

Here are the actual figures comparing a typical household of two parents, two kids, earning about $100,000 per year. I did this before the tax cuts so our (USA) taxes would be somewhat less.

The Eye-Popping Cost of Medicare for All
According to new figures: more than the federal government will spend over the coming decade on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined.
RONALD BROWNSTEINOCTOBER 16, 2019
[...]
The Urban Institute, a center-left think tank highly respected among Democrats, is projecting that a plan similar to what Warren and Senator Bernie Sanders are pushing would require $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.

The Eye-Popping Cost of Medicare for All

 

[Weatherman2020]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Some of you believe the propaganda you're fed and think you're "actually aware" of something real.

Feel free to pick it apart point by point, here it is again:

Some of us are actually aware of our hellthcare system's ranking amongst all the other post-industrial nations on the planet. Most expensive, least efficient, shittier outcomes. And that americans pay more for American pharma products than Canadians do.

As for Bloomberg, what do you expect from your aristocracy?

Anyone recall Don's hellthcare campaign promises? He doesn't.

Majorities in both houses for 2 years.

See any healthcare legislation?

Trump said we would first repeal Obamacare, then replace it with something else. The Rino's in our Senate stopped the repeal. CommieCare is still alive and well today.

The ACA may be alive, but it's certainly not well, after a death by a thousand cuts. First Republicans cut the taxes that pay for it. Then they cut the mandate. Trump hemmed and hawed over funding the exchanges until a number of insurance companies pulled out altogether in some states. Trump also gave broad "religious freedom" to employers to exclude women's reproductive health, including birth control, from employee health insurance. And now the "pre-existing conditions" protectionss and Medicaid Expansion are being threatened in the Supreme Court where the Barr Administration will not argue in favour of the law.

I have long thought that American health care is not really "health care", it's "sick care". People don't go to the doctor until something is wrong with them. It's a good part of the reason why you're health care expenses are so high. People are really really sick by the time they get there. In the meantime, I'm getting nagged by my PCP that I'm past due for my Mammogram, and OHIP sent me a colon cancer test kit too.

I found this article useful, given our discussion of declining life expectancy in the USA:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...a65daa-4f6c-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html

We already posted that thousands of Canadians come to America for healthcare, the wait times are longer than America, and people of the world want to live in America, not shithole KKKanada where the government arrests you for saying truthful things.

 

[Issa]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

With inssurance in the US and it can be worse. What's also worse millions are with no health care, and millions cant afford the Bill's. I live here I have family and friends in both canada and europe when it comes to health, education and safety net they take care of their own we rather give it to big pharma, wars and politicians.

And yet with all these other great places you speak of, you live here.

What that has to do with anything? LOL....stupidest argument ever.