we need to repeal Obamacare and replace it with Medicare For All, my friends

[jbander]

didn't my comment saying there is no such thing as communism or socialism in this country give it away.

give what away? that you are slow? Yes, but we already know that. And??????????

The comment isn't to you ace .

 

[jbander]

Socialism doesn’t work ? You’re clueless. Medicare works for the elderly...

OMG!! Totally stupid and liberal! It works if you don't mind paying 4 times more than you should! Ask recipients how'd they'd like to get the same care and get a check each year for $8000 from cutting out the bureaucratic monopolistic socialist waste in the system. How can America survive when this level of intelligence is loose in our electorate????

This is a lie as usual

 

[jbander]

The US pays more then every other country. You saw the references

Which proves that, as usual, socialism does not work and yet insane liberals want more of it? Total insanity!!!!! which is why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance... or do we mean pure insanity??

Well those dam democrats must not be doing very well with that since the government doesn't own and control all the businesses in this country, That being the prime tenet of socialism and communism, without that there is neither communism or socialism . It only works for these lying bastards if they get to define what communism and socialism is by themselves . Problem is it already has a definition and that definition says that EDward is full of shit and doesn't know what he is talking about but it is funny to watch , don't you think. No facts just made up shit.

 

[jbander]

" Efficiency May Not Be Included "

* Cheaper Is Not Always Better *

Nope. UHC is cheaper everywhere. We already have private insurance. It cost too much

My inclination is to believe that the only reason universal health care could be less costly is by setting constraints on how much a health care provider can charge for a procedure .

A rule of private health care providers appears to be to collect as much as possible to the point of claiming the absurd and i have seen more often than not where insurance companies oblige the ridiculous , whereas the medicare pats private health care providers on the head as if offering pity for the insane and simply compensates them with what the government considers reasonable .

Americans also have little inclination to be denied services or to wait in line for services along with those who have contributed nothing to the system , especially when they can afford not to do so , so clearly supply and demand make a difference in us costs .

One might also consider the overall health of the listed non us countries compared with the bloated , borderline - cardiac arrest diabetic propensities of the us public - Obesity .

" Comparative Sizing "

List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The United States is the world's largest economy with a GDP of approximately $20.513 trillion, notably due to high average incomes, a large population,[7] capital investment, low unemployment,[8] high consumer spending,[9] a relatively young population,[10] and technological innovation.[11]

Cheaper is always better when better results go along with it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

" Managing National Debt "

* Negotiating Health Care Costs *

I mean competition in medical care so that prices come down. Is this concept too complicated for you? If you feel compelled to change subject you must ask yourself why!

The aca was designed to dismantle government agencies which dealt directly with private health care providers by shifting those responsibilities to private insurance companies .

Individuals who did not have health insurance would be forced to get insurance rather than deciding to visit urgent care when they had to do so and all too often ultimately leaving the bill with the taxpayer .

Health care for the uninsured represents a significant portion of federal expenditures and contributes significantly to the growing national debt .

Those opposed to aca did not want to include insurance in their budgets and it also meant increased premiums for those who did not qualify for aca as the costs to include the additional population would be distributed across the entirety of those insured .

As part of the aca , government negotiated insurance plans for the public as would a private corporation for its employees , which could include competition .

Clearly , the government should not be allowed to collect premiums and make investments in the free market to offset losses , as would private insurance companies .

Clearly , the government can set schedules and control costs of medical procedures while private insurance companies are less likely to consider as costs are passed onto policy holders within the guidelines of optimizing profits without debilitating the market .

It is understood that if insurance negotiated by the government for its citizens and offered through exchanges could compete with the quality and price of insurance plans negotiated by private employers for their employees , such that insurance plans from exchanges would be good enough to keep when an individual moved between employers , then the insurance plans negotiated by the government would be understood as universal plans .

The congressional budget office has yet to answer whether the statistic of government expenditures , where the government socialized those between 100% and 400% of the poverty line through regressive reimbursement , was ultimately less expensive than the statistics of government expenditures where govenment agencies negotiate with private health care providers and pay directly for the uninsured , thought its initial projection was that it would .

The costs of insurance would go back down for employees of private companies if the additional insured were not included , but doing so wil not mitigate the growing budget expenditures and contributions to the national debt arising from medical care for the uninsured .

how much evidence do you deniers need ? Universal HC is CHEAPER


View attachment 363094

Your chart is dogshit. It has no labels, dumbass!

You had nothing, and will have nothing to refute it. Wikipedia
View attachment 363113

Now, look up military spending as a percent of GDP. they will look amazingly similar.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

" Managing National Debt "

* Negotiating Health Care Costs *

I mean competition in medical care so that prices come down. Is this concept too complicated for you? If you feel compelled to change subject you must ask yourself why!

The aca was designed to dismantle government agencies which dealt directly with private health care providers by shifting those responsibilities to private insurance companies .

Individuals who did not have health insurance would be forced to get insurance rather than deciding to visit urgent care when they had to do so and all too often ultimately leaving the bill with the taxpayer .

Health care for the uninsured represents a significant portion of federal expenditures and contributes significantly to the growing national debt .

Those opposed to aca did not want to include insurance in their budgets and it also meant increased premiums for those who did not qualify for aca as the costs to include the additional population would be distributed across the entirety of those insured .

As part of the aca , government negotiated insurance plans for the public as would a private corporation for its employees , which could include competition .

Clearly , the government should not be allowed to collect premiums and make investments in the free market to offset losses , as would private insurance companies .

Clearly , the government can set schedules and control costs of medical procedures while private insurance companies are less likely to consider as costs are passed onto policy holders within the guidelines of optimizing profits without debilitating the market .

It is understood that if insurance negotiated by the government for its citizens and offered through exchanges could compete with the quality and price of insurance plans negotiated by private employers for their employees , such that insurance plans from exchanges would be good enough to keep when an individual moved between employers , then the insurance plans negotiated by the government would be understood as universal plans .

The congressional budget office has yet to answer whether the statistic of government expenditures , where the government socialized those between 100% and 400% of the poverty line through regressive reimbursement , was ultimately less expensive than the statistics of government expenditures where govenment agencies negotiate with private health care providers and pay directly for the uninsured , thought its initial projection was that it would .

The costs of insurance would go back down for employees of private companies if the additional insured were not included , but doing so wil not mitigate the growing budget expenditures and contributions to the national debt arising from medical care for the uninsured .

how much evidence do you deniers need ? Universal HC is CHEAPER


View attachment 363094

Your chart is dogshit. It has no labels, dumbass!

Now whine and slander but produce no evidence. Because there is none. America pays more for less when it comes to healthcare.

No, we pay more for more. My medical bills for this past 6 months have been in excess of $100,000 dollars. Without that exceptional care, I could have dropped dead at any time.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

 

[Dagosa]

" Managing National Debt "

* Negotiating Health Care Costs *

I mean competition in medical care so that prices come down. Is this concept too complicated for you? If you feel compelled to change subject you must ask yourself why!

The aca was designed to dismantle government agencies which dealt directly with private health care providers by shifting those responsibilities to private insurance companies .

Individuals who did not have health insurance would be forced to get insurance rather than deciding to visit urgent care when they had to do so and all too often ultimately leaving the bill with the taxpayer .

Health care for the uninsured represents a significant portion of federal expenditures and contributes significantly to the growing national debt .

Those opposed to aca did not want to include insurance in their budgets and it also meant increased premiums for those who did not qualify for aca as the costs to include the additional population would be distributed across the entirety of those insured .

As part of the aca , government negotiated insurance plans for the public as would a private corporation for its employees , which could include competition .

Clearly , the government should not be allowed to collect premiums and make investments in the free market to offset losses , as would private insurance companies .

Clearly , the government can set schedules and control costs of medical procedures while private insurance companies are less likely to consider as costs are passed onto policy holders within the guidelines of optimizing profits without debilitating the market .

It is understood that if insurance negotiated by the government for its citizens and offered through exchanges could compete with the quality and price of insurance plans negotiated by private employers for their employees , such that insurance plans from exchanges would be good enough to keep when an individual moved between employers , then the insurance plans negotiated by the government would be understood as universal plans .

The congressional budget office has yet to answer whether the statistic of government expenditures , where the government socialized those between 100% and 400% of the poverty line through regressive reimbursement , was ultimately less expensive than the statistics of government expenditures where govenment agencies negotiate with private health care providers and pay directly for the uninsured , thought its initial projection was that it would .

The costs of insurance would go back down for employees of private companies if the additional insured were not included , but doing so wil not mitigate the growing budget expenditures and contributions to the national debt arising from medical care for the uninsured .

how much evidence do you deniers need ? Universal HC is CHEAPER


View attachment 363094

Your chart is dogshit. It has no labels, dumbass!

Now whine and slander but produce no evidence. Because there is none. America pays more for less when it comes to healthcare.

No, we pay more for more. My medical bills for this past 6 months have been in excess of $100,000 dollars. Without that exceptional care, I could have dropped dead at any time.

Wow...so what your bills are is the same as everyone.
Ha ha
That’s rediculous.

 

[Dagosa]

" Managing National Debt "

* Negotiating Health Care Costs *

I mean competition in medical care so that prices come down. Is this concept too complicated for you? If you feel compelled to change subject you must ask yourself why!

The aca was designed to dismantle government agencies which dealt directly with private health care providers by shifting those responsibilities to private insurance companies .

Individuals who did not have health insurance would be forced to get insurance rather than deciding to visit urgent care when they had to do so and all too often ultimately leaving the bill with the taxpayer .

Health care for the uninsured represents a significant portion of federal expenditures and contributes significantly to the growing national debt .

Those opposed to aca did not want to include insurance in their budgets and it also meant increased premiums for those who did not qualify for aca as the costs to include the additional population would be distributed across the entirety of those insured .

As part of the aca , government negotiated insurance plans for the public as would a private corporation for its employees , which could include competition .

Clearly , the government should not be allowed to collect premiums and make investments in the free market to offset losses , as would private insurance companies .

Clearly , the government can set schedules and control costs of medical procedures while private insurance companies are less likely to consider as costs are passed onto policy holders within the guidelines of optimizing profits without debilitating the market .

It is understood that if insurance negotiated by the government for its citizens and offered through exchanges could compete with the quality and price of insurance plans negotiated by private employers for their employees , such that insurance plans from exchanges would be good enough to keep when an individual moved between employers , then the insurance plans negotiated by the government would be understood as universal plans .

The congressional budget office has yet to answer whether the statistic of government expenditures , where the government socialized those between 100% and 400% of the poverty line through regressive reimbursement , was ultimately less expensive than the statistics of government expenditures where govenment agencies negotiate with private health care providers and pay directly for the uninsured , thought its initial projection was that it would .

The costs of insurance would go back down for employees of private companies if the additional insured were not included , but doing so wil not mitigate the growing budget expenditures and contributions to the national debt arising from medical care for the uninsured .

how much evidence do you deniers need ? Universal HC is CHEAPER


View attachment 363094

Your chart is dogshit. It has no labels, dumbass!

You had nothing, and will have nothing to refute it. Wikipedia
View attachment 363113

Now, look up military spending as a percent of GDP. they will look amazingly similar.

Off topic

 

[Dagosa]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

If that's your idea of a coward, what's your idea of a hero, faggot?

 

[Dagosa]

" Efficiency May Not Be Included "

* Cheaper Is Not Always Better *

Nope. UHC is cheaper everywhere. We already have private insurance. It cost too much

My inclination is to believe that the only reason universal health care could be less costly is by setting constraints on how much a health care provider can charge for a procedure .

A rule of private health care providers appears to be to collect as much as possible to the point of claiming the absurd and i have seen more often than not where insurance companies oblige the ridiculous , whereas the medicare pats private health care providers on the head as if offering pity for the insane and simply compensates them with what the government considers reasonable .

Americans also have little inclination to be denied services or to wait in line for services along with those who have contributed nothing to the system , especially when they can afford not to do so , so clearly supply and demand make a difference in us costs .

One might also consider the overall health of the listed non us countries compared with the bloated , borderline - cardiac arrest diabetic propensities of the us public - Obesity .

" Comparative Sizing "

List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The United States is the world's largest economy with a GDP of approximately $20.513 trillion, notably due to high average incomes, a large population,[7] capital investment, low unemployment,[8] high consumer spending,[9] a relatively young population,[10] and technological innovation.[11]

Cheaper is always better when better results go along with it.

So at least you know admit that universal healthcare is less expensive.
Now read the post

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

If that's your idea of a coward, what's your idea of a hero, faggot?

John Wayne avoid service during ww2 .
In our family, my father served during ww2 even when they tried to keep him out because of his critical work. I served for ten years as did two other brothers. My inlaws all served. Yet, Marion found a way out.
I get a kick out of chicken hawks. John Wayne was no big war hero. He was a farce.
We should be looking up to true vets like Ted Williams who was drafted and served honorably in two wars.

 

[Dagosa]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

If that's your idea of a coward, what's your idea of a hero, faggot?

Well it certainly isn’t you internet tough guy with your little symbols of false courage and racism.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

If that's your idea of a coward, what's your idea of a hero, faggot?

Well it certainly isn’t you internet tough guy with your little symbols of false courage and racism.

I get it, you have nothing, faggot. I have my uncle that stormed Normandy beach and it scarred him for the rest of his life. You have no clue as to how to do things.

 

[Dagosa]

The US pays more then every other country. You saw the references

Which proves that, as usual, socialism does not work and yet insane liberals want more of it? Total insanity!!!!! which is why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance... or do we mean pure insanity??

Well those dam democrats must not be doing very well with that since the government doesn't own and control all the businesses in this country, That being the prime tenet of socialism and communism, without that there is neither communism or socialism . It only works for these lying bastards if they get to define what communism and socialism is by themselves . Problem is it already has a definition and that definition says that EDward is full of shit and doesn't know what he is talking about but it is funny to watch , don't you think. No facts just made up shit.

Are you saying we don’t pay more then every-other nation per-person for healthcare ?

 

[Dagosa]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

If that's your idea of a coward, what's your idea of a hero, faggot?

Well it certainly isn’t you internet tough guy with your little symbols of false courage and racism.

I get it, you have nothing, faggot. I have my uncle that stormed Normandy beach and it scarred him for the rest of his life. You have no clue as to how to do things.

Wow, you had an uncle. Trump had a relative too who was smart....golly geee.
You throw the word faggot around like you’re trying to get out of a closet.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

If that's your idea of a coward, what's your idea of a hero, faggot?

Well it certainly isn’t you internet tough guy with your little symbols of false courage and racism.

I get it, you have nothing, faggot. I have my uncle that stormed Normandy beach and it scarred him for the rest of his life. You have no clue as to how to do things.

Wow, you had an uncle. Trump had a relative too who was smart....golly geee.
You throw the word faggot around like you’re trying to get out of a closet.

You don't know how to fight, punk. I do.

Who's your hero, Che Guevara, commie douche?
Yeah, I bet.

 

[Dagosa]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

If that's your idea of a coward, what's your idea of a hero, faggot?

Well it certainly isn’t you internet tough guy with your little symbols of false courage and racism.

I get it, you have nothing, faggot. I have my uncle that stormed Normandy beach and it scarred him for the rest of his life. You have no clue as to how to do things.

Wow, you had an uncle. Trump had a relative too who was smart....golly geee.
You throw the word faggot around like you’re trying to get out of a closet.

You don't know how to fight, punk. I do.

Who's your hero, Che Guevara, commie douche?
Yeah, I bet.

Another internet tough guy. We’ve seen a lot of you bloviators. Like bone spurs Trump.

 

[Dagosa]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

If that's your idea of a coward, what's your idea of a hero, faggot?

Well it certainly isn’t you internet tough guy with your little symbols of false courage and racism.

I get it, you have nothing, faggot. I have my uncle that stormed Normandy beach and it scarred him for the rest of his life. You have no clue as to how to do things.

Wow, you had an uncle. Trump had a relative too who was smart....golly geee.
You throw the word faggot around like you’re trying to get out of a closet.

You don't know how to fight, punk. I do.

Who's your hero, Che Guevara, commie douche?
Yeah, I bet.

John Wayne.....an admitted white supremacist and homophobe.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Vá foder sua mãe, viado.

Given your little avatar of coward John Wayne and your little racist confederate flag, I never would have guessed.

If that's your idea of a coward, what's your idea of a hero, faggot?

Well it certainly isn’t you internet tough guy with your little symbols of false courage and racism.

I get it, you have nothing, faggot. I have my uncle that stormed Normandy beach and it scarred him for the rest of his life. You have no clue as to how to do things.

Wow, you had an uncle. Trump had a relative too who was smart....golly geee.
You throw the word faggot around like you’re trying to get out of a closet.

You don't know how to fight, punk. I do.

Who's your hero, Che Guevara, commie douche?
Yeah, I bet.

John Wayne.....an admitted white supremacist and homophobe.

You have zero heroes because you're a cocksucker commie.
I would say the guy that said "Speak softly and carry a big stick". I bet you don't know who that is.