We overreacted

[Coyote]

It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?

I'd like to respond, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say it's significantly less deadly for some. Please elaborate.

Children and teens. For example, H1N1 significantly hit children and younger people. And of course note for H1N1 we did not shut down much of anything.

I really think we're going to look back at this as one huge bungle. But we're about to massively unbungle huge parts of society starting this week. Thank God.

Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.

www.cdc.gov

Oh gotcha. Yea, the numbers show that coronavirus is not very dangerous for the younger ones.

I don't know if that's what was "sold" to you. Did they say otherwise?

Sick people in the streets, hospitals way over capacity, not enough ventilators, all of it.

Didn't happen. Even in my "hot zone". Didn't happen. None of it.

Do you feel this turning now? Cause I do. Last week, with the protest in MI. It turned. People are still going to be careful and some people are still afraid. But more and more people are going to say they've had enough and they're not willing to sacrifice their livelihoods for this virus when all the facts and evidence say it's not nearly as deadly for MOST people as they sold us. And these people are right, btw.

That said, every single death has always been an individual tragedy, and nothing will change that. But we can't cripple society for it.

"It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?"

You didn't answer my question. Did they "sell" you the idea that all ages were going to be affected equally by this? Because I don't recall hearing that.

The state of Michigan has already surpassed their average annual flu death count in just the last two weeks. Granted not all parts of Michigan are equally affected by this, but that state is one of the hardest hit ones and I thought it was a bit ridiculous to protest there.

I never heard that either.

I heard primarily older people and people with underlying medical issues like diabetes. I did hear more younger people were dying or getting it severely but it is still worst in the former group.

I

 

[Coyote]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

There is on (at least) problem. Immunity. Imunity is not such a simple thing and varies by virus. I know just from the vaccines I have to give my dogs. Lepto typically lasts no more than a year, sometimes only 6 months. Others like distemper are still show acceptable levels in titres at three years.

With corona, we are finding a number of “cured” people suddenly showing positive again and we don’t yet know why. Are they getting reinfected? Does the virus lie dormant only to re-emerge? Unknown.

It is the unknown combined with the fact that has been shown to leave long lasting possibly permanent lung damage in some people that has me cautious.

I am 60...at the edge of the group considered higher risk. I live with my 83 yr old mother in law and my husband, who has severe chf and copd. Both very high risk. Reopening everything, in a Darwinian fashion would put us all at risk and I couldn’t afford to not go out and work(and my job involves daily contact with students).

I don’t have answers....just points to consider.

Please tell me you stay away from kids with your views , far more harmful then this virus

Facts trigger you, huh? I am sure there is a safe spot somewhere in the Hannity zone where you can curl up with your blanket.

 

[candycorn]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

so the tests aren’t perfect like your blob said they were?

Tests work but you have to do them daily for them to work. 99% of the people will have no to mild symptoms. Herd immunity is the key as well as treatments like Rem and Hydrox

So if you’re found to have Covid-19 today, you have to get tested tomorrow to see if you still have it?

Doubtful.

No. You misunderstand. I could Be tested today and be negative but have it and then tomorrow it could show up. That is the problem. And the next day and the next day. Key is to get it and develop immunity.

...or die.

It was a rather moronic assertion that AzogtheDefiler made when stating that testing was not needed.

while a person living with it may be fine and not even know they have the virus, the 10 people riding in the elevator with you may not be so lucky.

 

[Coyote]

Herd immunity is happening right now. Went to Fleet Farm today and the store was more packed than Christmas season. So were all the big box stores. Hoards of folks ignoring the stay at home and a small minority wearing masks. Seems folks are gonna go about their lives regardless of our governor.

No way in hell in MN were all these folks out and about all conservative.

We don’t know how long the antibodies last. And 50% of the population would have to be infected for herd immunity to take place. In the meantime that’s a lot of body bags

We have no idea how many are already exposed. It could be far more than 50% already.
There are a lot of body bags for a variety of reasons every year with far higher counts and we don't lose our shit over them. Life is simply dangerous with no guarantees and no government can protect every citizen. This isn't the civilization ending plague, but the "cure" which is only putting off the inevitable sure as hell could be.

Reality is folks left and right are losing patience with the current course of action. The protests developing in two thirds of the states speak to that fact.

The protests are politically funded, not grass roots.

Thousands of Americans backed by rightwing donors gear up for protests

Conservative activists to demand governors lift stay-home orders – and movement has been driven by wealthy conservative groups

www.theguardian.com

Still doesn't account for the hoards of folks that are out and about ignoring mitigation at the stores such as i witnessed yesterday. Again, no way were all those people at the stores just shopping for essentials and no way were they all conservatives.

True, but I was talking about the protests.

 

[Coyote]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

so the tests aren’t perfect like your blob said they were?

Tests work but you have to do them daily for them to work. 99% of the people will have no to mild symptoms. Herd immunity is the key as well as treatments like Rem and Hydrox

So if you’re found to have Covid-19 today, you have to get tested tomorrow to see if you still have it?

Doubtful.

No. You misunderstand. I could Be tested today and be negative but have it and then tomorrow it could show up. That is the problem. And the next day and the next day. Key is to get it and develop immunity.

...or die.

It was a rather moronic assertion that AzogtheDefiler made when stating that testing was not needed.

while a person living with it may be fine and not even know they have the virus, the 10 people riding in the elevator with you may not be so lucky.

I think testing is an important tool.

 

[Jitss617]

I disagree wholeheartedly disagree with the OP. Mitigation efforts slowed down the virus. The math is the proof. How bad would it have gotten without these efforts? Impossible to tell, but it’s still spreading fast with the mitigation efforts. 40 k dead in 6 weeks is nothing to sneeze at.

the OP came down with the Chinese Communist Party virus & recovered. He has a better perspective than most people on here. And the numbers keep bearing that out as we do more testing.

We need a cure or this country is fcuked

There’s no such thing as a cure for a virus. The best we hope for is a antiviral medication that is very effective. A vaccine is unrealistic, because we don’t have a vaccine for any strand of the corona virus.

Well then we better bunker down.. this changes everything

 

[Jitss617]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

There is on (at least) problem. Immunity. Imunity is not such a simple thing and varies by virus. I know just from the vaccines I have to give my dogs. Lepto typically lasts no more than a year, sometimes only 6 months. Others like distemper are still show acceptable levels in titres at three years.

With corona, we are finding a number of “cured” people suddenly showing positive again and we don’t yet know why. Are they getting reinfected? Does the virus lie dormant only to re-emerge? Unknown.

It is the unknown combined with the fact that has been shown to leave long lasting possibly permanent lung damage in some people that has me cautious.

I am 60...at the edge of the group considered higher risk. I live with my 83 yr old mother in law and my husband, who has severe chf and copd. Both very high risk. Reopening everything, in a Darwinian fashion would put us all at risk and I couldn’t afford to not go out and work(and my job involves daily contact with students).

I don’t have answers....just points to consider.

Please tell me you stay away from kids with your views , far more harmful then this virus

Facts trigger you, huh? I am sure there is a safe spot somewhere in the Hannity zone where you can curl up with your blanket.

I’m begging you to stay away from children, Democrats are mentally unstable

 

[candycorn]

I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.

New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.

I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.

Stats of the States - Influenza/Pneumonia Mortality

www.cdc.gov

How about other states? NY is an outlier.

I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.

Let me look up Louisiana:

Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.

The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.

That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down

Maybe, maybe not. That's not up to me.

New York state has a population density 17 times the density of Nebraska. New York City is far more dense than that. Obviously it's going to be more dangerous in the more densely populated cities.

While the amount of risk that people are willing to deal with is not up to me, my point is that this thing is FAR more dangerous than the flu.

So here is how we know this thing was a huge bungle and your party will pay.

Just a few days ago you were screeching at everyone to stay inside, virus this, virus that

Look at the swift backpedaling here.

What party? People keep trying to make this a partisan fight but you have governors on both sides holding the line on reopening so what are you screeching about?

This isn’t a partisan issue ecxceot when peop,e like you try to make it one.

Strange; they aren’t giving us a minute by minute update on Alex Jones’s Doings...

this could be why

 

[Papageorgio]

I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.

New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.

I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.

Stats of the States - Influenza/Pneumonia Mortality

www.cdc.gov

How about other states? NY is an outlier.

I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.

Let me look up Louisiana:

Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.

The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.

That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down

How do you stop people from traveling?

Place armed guards at all state borders and they will ask to see your traveling papers. It works quite well.

 

[Coyote]

I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.

New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.

I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.

Stats of the States - Influenza/Pneumonia Mortality

www.cdc.gov

How about other states? NY is an outlier.

I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.

Let me look up Louisiana:

Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.

The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.

That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down

Maybe, maybe not. That's not up to me.

New York state has a population density 17 times the density of Nebraska. New York City is far more dense than that. Obviously it's going to be more dangerous in the more densely populated cities.

While the amount of risk that people are willing to deal with is not up to me, my point is that this thing is FAR more dangerous than the flu.

So here is how we know this thing was a huge bungle and your party will pay.

Just a few days ago you were screeching at everyone to stay inside, virus this, virus that

Look at the swift backpedaling here.

What party? People keep trying to make this a partisan fight but you have governors on both sides holding the line on reopening so what are you screeching about?

This isn’t a partisan issue ecxceot when peop,e like you try to make it one.

Strange; they aren’t giving us a minute by minute update on Alex Jones’s Doings...

this could be why

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That is so irresponsible!

 

[Olde Europe]

The protests are politically funded, not grass roots.

Thousands of Americans backed by rightwing donors gear up for protests

Conservative activists to demand governors lift stay-home orders – and movement has been driven by wealthy conservative groups

www.theguardian.com

Who guessed?

The two groups behind the “operation gridlock” rally in Michigan on Wednesday have ties to the Republican party and the Trump administration.

The Michigan Freedom Fund, which said it was a co-host of the rally, has received more than $500,000 from the DeVos family, regular donors to rightwing groups.​

Remember when "Resist" was a case of treasonous insubordination? Now Trump, with the help of his own Secretary of Education, foments an insurrection against... his own social-distancing, stay-at-home advisory. The prion-disease eating Republicans' brains is spreading even more successfully than the coronavirus.

 

[joaquinmiller]

It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?

I'd like to respond, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say it's significantly less deadly for some. Please elaborate.

Children and teens. For example, H1N1 significantly hit children and younger people. And of course note for H1N1 we did not shut down much of anything.

I really think we're going to look back at this as one huge bungle. But we're about to massively unbungle huge parts of society starting this week. Thank God.

Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.

www.cdc.gov

Oh gotcha. Yea, the numbers show that coronavirus is not very dangerous for the younger ones.

I don't know if that's what was "sold" to you. Did they say otherwise?

Sick people in the streets, hospitals way over capacity, not enough ventilators, all of it.

Didn't happen. Even in my "hot zone". Didn't happen. None of it.

Do you feel this turning now? Cause I do. Last week, with the protest in MI. It turned. People are still going to be careful and some people are still afraid. But more and more people are going to say they've had enough and they're not willing to sacrifice their livelihoods for this virus when all the facts and evidence say it's not nearly as deadly for MOST people as they sold us. And these people are right, btw.

That said, every single death has always been an individual tragedy, and nothing will change that. But we can't cripple society for it.

"It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?"

You didn't answer my question. Did they "sell" you the idea that all ages were going to be affected equally by this? Because I don't recall hearing that.

The state of Michigan has already surpassed their average annual flu death count in just the last two weeks. Granted not all parts of Michigan are equally affected by this, but that state is one of the hardest hit ones and I thought it was a bit ridiculous to protest there.

There are basically three counties massively affected in MI. The rest are not, and yet are losing their livelihoods for it.

This is happening all over the nation. The Democrats, I believe, will pay for it.

So they didn't sell you that at all. Did they?

It's hard to say how this will sway voters in the next election.

They didn't sell that it would be significantly deadly for say, children, no. But they DID sell bodies stacked up in hospital corridors and adults of all ages getting significantly sick. Which didn't happen really outside of NYC. What is ACTUALLY happening nationwide is empty hospitals, canceled surgeries, and laid off health care workers.

The media is only going to be able to agitate for this for so long before a lot of truth comes out. And people are going to hate it. A lot.

It was expected - if social distancing measures worked and saved lives - idiots would then say we didn't need to do it.

 

[colfax_m]

It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?

I'd like to respond, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say it's significantly less deadly for some. Please elaborate.

Children and teens. For example, H1N1 significantly hit children and younger people. And of course note for H1N1 we did not shut down much of anything.

I really think we're going to look back at this as one huge bungle. But we're about to massively unbungle huge parts of society starting this week. Thank God.

Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.

www.cdc.gov

Oh gotcha. Yea, the numbers show that coronavirus is not very dangerous for the younger ones.

I don't know if that's what was "sold" to you. Did they say otherwise?

Sick people in the streets, hospitals way over capacity, not enough ventilators, all of it.

Didn't happen. Even in my "hot zone". Didn't happen. None of it.

Do you feel this turning now? Cause I do. Last week, with the protest in MI. It turned. People are still going to be careful and some people are still afraid. But more and more people are going to say they've had enough and they're not willing to sacrifice their livelihoods for this virus when all the facts and evidence say it's not nearly as deadly for MOST people as they sold us. And these people are right, btw.

That said, every single death has always been an individual tragedy, and nothing will change that. But we can't cripple society for it.

"It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?"

You didn't answer my question. Did they "sell" you the idea that all ages were going to be affected equally by this? Because I don't recall hearing that.

The state of Michigan has already surpassed their average annual flu death count in just the last two weeks. Granted not all parts of Michigan are equally affected by this, but that state is one of the hardest hit ones and I thought it was a bit ridiculous to protest there.

There are basically three counties massively affected in MI. The rest are not, and yet are losing their livelihoods for it.

This is happening all over the nation. The Democrats, I believe, will pay for it.

So they didn't sell you that at all. Did they?

It's hard to say how this will sway voters in the next election.

They didn't sell that it would be significantly deadly for say, children, no. But they DID sell bodies stacked up in hospital corridors and adults of all ages getting significantly sick. Which didn't happen really outside of NYC. What is ACTUALLY happening nationwide is empty hospitals, canceled surgeries, and laid off health care workers.

The media is only going to be able to agitate for this for so long before a lot of truth comes out. And people are going to hate it. A lot.

It was expected - if social distancing measures worked and saved lives - idiots would then say we didn't need to do it.

I have a hard time believe intelligent people actually are unaware of this.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I disagree wholeheartedly disagree with the OP. Mitigation efforts slowed down the virus. The math is the proof. How bad would it have gotten without these efforts? Impossible to tell, but it’s still spreading fast with the mitigation efforts. 40 k dead in 6 weeks is nothing to sneeze at.

the OP came down with the Chinese Communist Party virus & recovered. He has a better perspective than most people on here. And the numbers keep bearing that out as we do more testing.

We need a cure or this country is fcuked

There’s no such thing as a cure for a virus. The best we hope for is a antiviral medication that is very effective. A vaccine is unrealistic, because we don’t have a vaccine for any strand of the corona virus.

How is your mom ?

I kinda lost track of that thread.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

so the tests aren’t perfect like your blob said they were?

BTW you call him a blob. Are you in great shape? Those in glass houses...take it easy Fatty Corn.

Does it hurt your feelings that I call your lord and master “the blob”? Poor snowflake

My feelings? LMAO. I come From a family of athletes. My wife ran Boston 3x. I still play competitive hoops and coach. My kids are elite athletes in basketball and LAX. We eat healthy and we play hard. So unless you are on that level don’t call anyone fat. If you are then by all means. So? Are you at that level?

That it hurts your wittle feelings when I call your lord and master the blob is hilarious. One would think you wouldn’t be such a pussy if the above were remotely true.

Did you read what I wrote? I am all for
Making fun of fat people if you’re in shape. This damn country is fat and that is why we are dying because of this fairy virus. But are YOU in great shape? I think You’re fat and you’re projecting on Trump. So get healthy and then by all means call him fat. He can take it.

Calling the morbidly obese Trump“the blob” hurts your feelings. Poor baby

We all know you weigh 300 pounds and live in Mom's basement. The Cheetos dust on your keyboard causes all of your typos.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?

I'd like to respond, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say it's significantly less deadly for some. Please elaborate.

Children and teens. For example, H1N1 significantly hit children and younger people. And of course note for H1N1 we did not shut down much of anything.

I really think we're going to look back at this as one huge bungle. But we're about to massively unbungle huge parts of society starting this week. Thank God.

Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.

www.cdc.gov

Oh gotcha. Yea, the numbers show that coronavirus is not very dangerous for the younger ones.

I don't know if that's what was "sold" to you. Did they say otherwise?

Sick people in the streets, hospitals way over capacity, not enough ventilators, all of it.

Didn't happen. Even in my "hot zone". Didn't happen. None of it.

Do you feel this turning now? Cause I do. Last week, with the protest in MI. It turned. People are still going to be careful and some people are still afraid. But more and more people are going to say they've had enough and they're not willing to sacrifice their livelihoods for this virus when all the facts and evidence say it's not nearly as deadly for MOST people as they sold us. And these people are right, btw.

That said, every single death has always been an individual tragedy, and nothing will change that. But we can't cripple society for it.

"It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?"

You didn't answer my question. Did they "sell" you the idea that all ages were going to be affected equally by this? Because I don't recall hearing that.

The state of Michigan has already surpassed their average annual flu death count in just the last two weeks. Granted not all parts of Michigan are equally affected by this, but that state is one of the hardest hit ones and I thought it was a bit ridiculous to protest there.

There are basically three counties massively affected in MI. The rest are not, and yet are losing their livelihoods for it.

This is happening all over the nation. The Democrats, I believe, will pay for it.

So they didn't sell you that at all. Did they?

It's hard to say how this will sway voters in the next election.

They didn't sell that it would be significantly deadly for say, children, no. But they DID sell bodies stacked up in hospital corridors and adults of all ages getting significantly sick. Which didn't happen really outside of NYC. What is ACTUALLY happening nationwide is empty hospitals, canceled surgeries, and laid off health care workers.

The media is only going to be able to agitate for this for so long before a lot of truth comes out. And people are going to hate it. A lot.

It was expected - if social distancing measures worked and saved lives - idiots would then say we didn't need to do it.

I have a hard time believe intelligent people actually are unaware of this.

Been shown repeatedly that many places never really locked down and have had no issues because of it.

 

[colfax_m]

It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?

I'd like to respond, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say it's significantly less deadly for some. Please elaborate.

Children and teens. For example, H1N1 significantly hit children and younger people. And of course note for H1N1 we did not shut down much of anything.

I really think we're going to look back at this as one huge bungle. But we're about to massively unbungle huge parts of society starting this week. Thank God.

Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.

www.cdc.gov

Oh gotcha. Yea, the numbers show that coronavirus is not very dangerous for the younger ones.

I don't know if that's what was "sold" to you. Did they say otherwise?

Sick people in the streets, hospitals way over capacity, not enough ventilators, all of it.

Didn't happen. Even in my "hot zone". Didn't happen. None of it.

Do you feel this turning now? Cause I do. Last week, with the protest in MI. It turned. People are still going to be careful and some people are still afraid. But more and more people are going to say they've had enough and they're not willing to sacrifice their livelihoods for this virus when all the facts and evidence say it's not nearly as deadly for MOST people as they sold us. And these people are right, btw.

That said, every single death has always been an individual tragedy, and nothing will change that. But we can't cripple society for it.

"It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?"

You didn't answer my question. Did they "sell" you the idea that all ages were going to be affected equally by this? Because I don't recall hearing that.

The state of Michigan has already surpassed their average annual flu death count in just the last two weeks. Granted not all parts of Michigan are equally affected by this, but that state is one of the hardest hit ones and I thought it was a bit ridiculous to protest there.

There are basically three counties massively affected in MI. The rest are not, and yet are losing their livelihoods for it.

This is happening all over the nation. The Democrats, I believe, will pay for it.

So they didn't sell you that at all. Did they?

It's hard to say how this will sway voters in the next election.

They didn't sell that it would be significantly deadly for say, children, no. But they DID sell bodies stacked up in hospital corridors and adults of all ages getting significantly sick. Which didn't happen really outside of NYC. What is ACTUALLY happening nationwide is empty hospitals, canceled surgeries, and laid off health care workers.

The media is only going to be able to agitate for this for so long before a lot of truth comes out. And people are going to hate it. A lot.

It was expected - if social distancing measures worked and saved lives - idiots would then say we didn't need to do it.

I have a hard time believe intelligent people actually are unaware of this.

Been shown repeatedly that many places never really locked down and have had no issues because of it.

And if no one had locked down, would they still be able to say it?

It’s like saying that you never got a polio vaccine and never got polio. It fails to account for the behavior of everyone else.

Put another way, the more everyone else works to prevent spread of the disease, the safer your community is regardless of your actions.

 

[Rocko]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

so the tests aren’t perfect like your blob said they were?

Tests work but you have to do them daily for them to work. 99% of the people will have no to mild symptoms. Herd immunity is the key as well as treatments like Rem and Hydrox

So if you’re found to have Covid-19 today, you have to get tested tomorrow to see if you still have it?

Doubtful.

No. You misunderstand. I could Be tested today and be negative but have it and then tomorrow it could show up. That is the problem. And the next day and the next day. Key is to get it and develop immunity.

...or die.

It was a rather moronic assertion that AzogtheDefiler made when stating that testing was not needed.

while a person living with it may be fine and not even know they have the virus, the 10 people riding in the elevator with you may not be so lucky.

I think testing is an important tool.

I disagree wholeheartedly disagree with the OP. Mitigation efforts slowed down the virus. The math is the proof. How bad would it have gotten without these efforts? Impossible to tell, but it’s still spreading fast with the mitigation efforts. 40 k dead in 6 weeks is nothing to sneeze at.

the OP came down with the Chinese Communist Party virus & recovered. He has a better perspective than most people on here. And the numbers keep bearing that out as we do more testing.

We need a cure or this country is fcuked

There’s no such thing as a cure for a virus. The best we hope for is a antiviral medication that is very effective. A vaccine is unrealistic, because we don’t have a vaccine for any strand of the corona virus.

How is your mom ?

I kinda lost track of that thread.

She’s good bro! She’s at home recovering nicely! Thanks for asking!

 

[DrLove]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

At the current pace of around 35,000 deaths in two months, we'll be at 210,000 after the first year.
Also, we have no vaccine for this monster and it's another year off - At a minimum.
Truly wish y'all would stop comparing this to the dang flu. Sheesh!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

so the tests aren’t perfect like your blob said they were?

Tests work but you have to do them daily for them to work. 99% of the people will have no to mild symptoms. Herd immunity is the key as well as treatments like Rem and Hydrox

So if you’re found to have Covid-19 today, you have to get tested tomorrow to see if you still have it?

Doubtful.

No. You misunderstand. I could Be tested today and be negative but have it and then tomorrow it could show up. That is the problem. And the next day and the next day. Key is to get it and develop immunity.

...or die.

It was a rather moronic assertion that AzogtheDefiler made when stating that testing was not needed.

while a person living with it may be fine and not even know they have the virus, the 10 people riding in the elevator with you may not be so lucky.

I think testing is an important tool.

I disagree wholeheartedly disagree with the OP. Mitigation efforts slowed down the virus. The math is the proof. How bad would it have gotten without these efforts? Impossible to tell, but it’s still spreading fast with the mitigation efforts. 40 k dead in 6 weeks is nothing to sneeze at.

the OP came down with the Chinese Communist Party virus & recovered. He has a better perspective than most people on here. And the numbers keep bearing that out as we do more testing.

We need a cure or this country is fcuked

There’s no such thing as a cure for a virus. The best we hope for is a antiviral medication that is very effective. A vaccine is unrealistic, because we don’t have a vaccine for any strand of the corona virus.

How is your mom ?

I kinda lost track of that thread.

She’s good bro! She’s at home recovering nicely! Thanks for asking!