We Suffered for 8 Years, Say the Haters.

[BluesLegend]

Hmmmm…..looks like their fraud was the issue, not Trump.

The company went into the shitter under Obama.

 

[OnePercenter]

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BushCo crashed the world economy. You forgot that part so I corrected it for you. Open your eyes, tRumps doing it again.

Not factual, at all, fucking retard.

Total US corporate debt is $15.5 trillion, 74% of US GDP.

Trump is causing corporate debt to increase?

Yes. trumps failed tariffs, and yet the latest victim.

Celadon, biggest bankruptcy in truckload history expected by mid-week (with video) - FreightWaves

Yes. trumps failed tariffs,

How much did his tariffs cause debt to increase?

25%

Trump increased tariffs on more Chinese products to 25%—here's what could get more expensive

 

[Correll]

"The sentence I hear most from well-meaning, conservative friends since President Trump’s election is this: “We suffered 8 years under Barack Obama.”

Fair enough. Let’s take a look.

The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.

General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $80 billion bailout to save the car industry. The U.S. car industry survived, started making money again, and the entire $80 billion was paid back, with interest.

While we remain vulnerable to lone-wolf attacks, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed a mass attack here since 9/11.

Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

He drew down the number of troops from 180,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan to just 15,000, and increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

He launched a program called Opening Doors which, since 2010, has led to a 47 percent decline in the number of homeless veterans.

He set a record 73 straight months of private-sector job growth.

Due to Obama’s regulatory policies, greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 12%, production of renewable energy more than doubled, and our dependence on foreign oil was cut in half.

He signed The Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women to sue employers for unequal pay.

His Omnibus Public Lands Management Act designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, creating thousands of miles of trails and protecting over 1,000 miles of rivers.

He reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016.

For all the inadequacies of the Affordable Care Act, we seem to have forgotten that, before the ACA, you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition and kids could not stay on their parents’ policies up to age 26.

Obama approved a $14.5 billion system to rebuild the levees in New Orleans.

All this, even as Mitch McConnell famously asserted that his singular mission would be to block anything President Obama tried to do.

While Obama failed on his campaign pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, that prison’s population decreased from 242 to around 50.

He expanded funding for embryonic stem cell research, supporting groundbreaking advancement in areas like spinal injury treatment and cancer.

Credit card companies can no longer charge hidden fees or raise interest rates without advance notice.

Most years, Obama threw a 4th of July party for military families. He held babies, played games with children, served barbecue, and led the singing of “Happy Birthday” to his daughter Malia, who was born on July 4.

Welfare spending is down: for every 100 poor families, just 24 receive cash assistance, compared with 64 in 1996.

Obama comforted families and communities following more than a dozen mass shootings. After Sandy Hook, he said, “The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.”

Yet, he never took away anyone’s guns.

He sang Amazing Grace, spontaneously, at the altar.

He was the first president since Eisenhower to serve two terms without personal or political scandal.

He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

President Obama was not perfect, as no man and no president is, and you can certainly disagree with his political ideologies. But to say we suffered? If that’s the argument, if this is how we suffered for 8 years under Barack Obama, I have one wish: may we be so fortunate as to suffer 8 more."

For 8 years, ever time we made any political, partisan or ideological complaint or criticism or opposition to the President of the other party,


drooling retarded people would accuse us of being "racist".


That was suffering and those people are fucking retarded assholes.



FUCK THEM ALL.

 

[Billiejeens]

"The sentence I hear most from well-meaning, conservative friends since President Trump’s election is this: “We suffered 8 years under Barack Obama.”

Fair enough. Let’s take a look.

The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.

General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $80 billion bailout to save the car industry. The U.S. car industry survived, started making money again, and the entire $80 billion was paid back, with interest.

While we remain vulnerable to lone-wolf attacks, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed a mass attack here since 9/11.

Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

He drew down the number of troops from 180,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan to just 15,000, and increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

He launched a program called Opening Doors which, since 2010, has led to a 47 percent decline in the number of homeless veterans.

He set a record 73 straight months of private-sector job growth.

Due to Obama’s regulatory policies, greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 12%, production of renewable energy more than doubled, and our dependence on foreign oil was cut in half.

He signed The Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women to sue employers for unequal pay.

His Omnibus Public Lands Management Act designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, creating thousands of miles of trails and protecting over 1,000 miles of rivers.

He reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016.

For all the inadequacies of the Affordable Care Act, we seem to have forgotten that, before the ACA, you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition and kids could not stay on their parents’ policies up to age 26.

Obama approved a $14.5 billion system to rebuild the levees in New Orleans.

All this, even as Mitch McConnell famously asserted that his singular mission would be to block anything President Obama tried to do.

While Obama failed on his campaign pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, that prison’s population decreased from 242 to around 50.

He expanded funding for embryonic stem cell research, supporting groundbreaking advancement in areas like spinal injury treatment and cancer.

Credit card companies can no longer charge hidden fees or raise interest rates without advance notice.

Most years, Obama threw a 4th of July party for military families. He held babies, played games with children, served barbecue, and led the singing of “Happy Birthday” to his daughter Malia, who was born on July 4.

Welfare spending is down: for every 100 poor families, just 24 receive cash assistance, compared with 64 in 1996.

Obama comforted families and communities following more than a dozen mass shootings. After Sandy Hook, he said, “The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.”

Yet, he never took away anyone’s guns.

He sang Amazing Grace, spontaneously, at the altar.

He was the first president since Eisenhower to serve two terms without personal or political scandal.

He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

President Obama was not perfect, as no man and no president is, and you can certainly disagree with his political ideologies. But to say we suffered? If that’s the argument, if this is how we suffered for 8 years under Barack Obama, I have one wish: may we be so fortunate as to suffer 8 more."

For 8 years, ever time we made any political, partisan or ideological complaint or criticism or opposition to the President of the other party,


drooling retarded people would accuse us of being "racist".


That was suffering and those people are fucking retarded assholes.



FUCK THEM ALL.

Si"

 

[Rye Catcher]

You lost in 2016....You'll very likely lose in 2020...STFU and deal with it.

2016 was an outlier; the reaction to it occurred in Nov 2018 when the Democrats became the majority party in the H. or Rep. Anyone who does not see trump for what he is, and will continue to support him is a fool. That does not mean 2020 will be easy; we have plenty enough fools to make the same mistake again, and believe there will be a different outcome.

 

[OnePercenter]

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BushCo crashed the world economy. You forgot that part so I corrected it for you. Open your eyes, tRumps doing it again.

Not factual, at all, fucking retard.

Total US corporate debt is $15.5 trillion, 74% of US GDP.

Trump is causing corporate debt to increase?

Yes. trumps failed tariffs, and yet the latest victim.

Celadon, biggest bankruptcy in truckload history expected by mid-week (with video) - FreightWaves

More recent numbers are difficult to come by because Celadon had to restate its financial reporting after mismanagement and a complex accounting scandal that ultimately resulted in former executives being indicted on securities fraud charges yesterday, December 5.

A short seller’s report that was published on the stock research and commentary site Seeking Alpha on April 5, 2017, “Celadon Group: A Story That Ends At Chapter 11,” crashed the stock. The report outlined the accounting shenanigans that Meek and Peavler had been responsible for. A month later, the company’s auditor, BKD, pulled out of the company.

Hmmmm…..looks like their fraud was the issue, not Trump.

Hmmmm......Corporate America isn't honest? Really? Celadon's freight is tied to imports thus restricting the income of the company.

 

[Correll]

You lost in 2016....You'll very likely lose in 2020...STFU and deal with it.

2016 was an outlier; the reaction to it occurred in Nov 2018 when the Democrats became the majority party in the H. or Rep. Anyone who does not see trump for what he is, and will continue to support him is a fool. That does not mean 2020 will be easy; we have plenty enough fools to make the same mistake again, and believe there will be a different outcome.

You mean a completely normal politician, with completely mainstream policies, and an odd and off putting manner?


I agree. ANyone who can't see that, is a fool. An hysterical panic mongering fool.

 

[Yarddog]

I certainly did not suffer under Obama. Don't actually know who did unless it was the illegal aliens he deported. He did not build a wall on the boarder like they used to have in the Soviet Union. Guess he didn't see a need since he was doing it the old fashion way by having them kicked out. Besides, one of my heroes once said "Fixed fortifications are a testament to the stupidity of man". Another thing Obam did not do, he never stood up with Putin and sided with Russia over our intelligence and security services while talking down our allies at a NATO meeting. Just sayin.

What about the little kids he locked in cages, did they suffer? Or did they enjoy it until the day Trump took office?



Fucking hack.

No, they didn't start suffering until AOC discovered the toilets had drinking water attachments..... and of course, Trump became President.

 

[Billiejeens]

You lost in 2016....You'll very likely lose in 2020...STFU and deal with it.

2016 was an outlier; the reaction to it occurred in Nov 2018 when the Democrats became the majority party in the H. or Rep. Anyone who does not see trump for what he is, and will continue to support him is a fool. That does not mean 2020 will be easy; we have plenty enough fools to make the same mistake again, and believe there will be a different outcome.

Everyone loves the outcome

 

[White 6]

I certainly did not suffer under Obama. Don't actually know who did unless it was the illegal aliens he deported. He did not build a wall on the boarder like they used to have in the Soviet Union. Guess he didn't see a need since he was doing it the old fashion way by having them kicked out. Besides, one of my heroes once said "Fixed fortifications are a testament to the stupidity of man". Another thing Obam did not do, he never stood up with Putin and sided with Russia over our intelligence and security services while talking down our allies at a NATO meeting. Just sayin.

What about the little kids he locked in cages, did they suffer? Or did they enjoy it until the day Trump took office?



Fucking hack.

No, they didn't start suffering until AOC discovered the toilets had drinking water attachments..... and of course, Trump became President.

She is an embarrassment to her caucus and her tiny district. The only reason she was elected was because the Republican before her embarrassed his party by failing to work for and communicate (at grass roots level) with people he represented. He was too busy for the little people.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not factual, at all, fucking retard.

Total US corporate debt is $15.5 trillion, 74% of US GDP.

Trump is causing corporate debt to increase?

Yes. trumps failed tariffs, and yet the latest victim.

Celadon, biggest bankruptcy in truckload history expected by mid-week (with video) - FreightWaves

Yes. trumps failed tariffs,

How much did his tariffs cause debt to increase?

25%

Trump increased tariffs on more Chinese products to 25%—here's what could get more expensive

Why would a tariff on a couple of hundred billion in imports cause corporate debt to increase by $3 trillion?

Your idiotic claims have weaker math than usual.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not factual, at all, fucking retard.

Total US corporate debt is $15.5 trillion, 74% of US GDP.

Trump is causing corporate debt to increase?

Yes. trumps failed tariffs, and yet the latest victim.

Celadon, biggest bankruptcy in truckload history expected by mid-week (with video) - FreightWaves

More recent numbers are difficult to come by because Celadon had to restate its financial reporting after mismanagement and a complex accounting scandal that ultimately resulted in former executives being indicted on securities fraud charges yesterday, December 5.

A short seller’s report that was published on the stock research and commentary site Seeking Alpha on April 5, 2017, “Celadon Group: A Story That Ends At Chapter 11,” crashed the stock. The report outlined the accounting shenanigans that Meek and Peavler had been responsible for. A month later, the company’s auditor, BKD, pulled out of the company.

Hmmmm…..looks like their fraud was the issue, not Trump.

Hmmmm......Corporate America isn't honest? Really? Celadon's freight is tied to imports thus restricting the income of the company.

Your claim that tariffs caused the bankruptcy was definitely dishonest.

 

[OnePercenter]

Total US corporate debt is $15.5 trillion, 74% of US GDP.

Trump is causing corporate debt to increase?

Yes. trumps failed tariffs, and yet the latest victim.

Celadon, biggest bankruptcy in truckload history expected by mid-week (with video) - FreightWaves

Yes. trumps failed tariffs,

How much did his tariffs cause debt to increase?

25%

Trump increased tariffs on more Chinese products to 25%—here's what could get more expensive

Why would a tariff on a couple of hundred billion in imports cause corporate debt to increase by $3 trillion?

Your idiotic claims have weaker math than usual.

Consumer debt. You are aware that consumer credit card debt is more than $1T.

 

[OnePercenter]

Total US corporate debt is $15.5 trillion, 74% of US GDP.

Trump is causing corporate debt to increase?

Yes. trumps failed tariffs, and yet the latest victim.

Celadon, biggest bankruptcy in truckload history expected by mid-week (with video) - FreightWaves

More recent numbers are difficult to come by because Celadon had to restate its financial reporting after mismanagement and a complex accounting scandal that ultimately resulted in former executives being indicted on securities fraud charges yesterday, December 5.

A short seller’s report that was published on the stock research and commentary site Seeking Alpha on April 5, 2017, “Celadon Group: A Story That Ends At Chapter 11,” crashed the stock. The report outlined the accounting shenanigans that Meek and Peavler had been responsible for. A month later, the company’s auditor, BKD, pulled out of the company.

Hmmmm…..looks like their fraud was the issue, not Trump.

Hmmmm......Corporate America isn't honest? Really? Celadon's freight is tied to imports thus restricting the income of the company.

Your claim that tariffs caused the bankruptcy was definitely dishonest.

As I've point out, Celadon's freight was tied to imports. As imports have weakened, so did their freight.

 

[luchitociencia]

Fair enough. Let’s take a look.

The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.

General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $80 billion bailout to save the car industry.

As far as it is known, that "loan" was proposed by George Bush, and applied under Obama. I think Obama added some extra millions, but the initiative was from the previous administration. Ford company was not in need of that loan.

 

[Circe]

And he was born in Kenya

No, probably not. But his father was, and came to Hawaii on some ill-considered scholarship, and got a white girl in trouble, and vamoosed back to Africa as fast as he could, before Obama was two years old. And then lived and died early as a chronic drunk. I know what I think of a history like that! Not respectable enough for his offspring to be president.

 

[luchitociencia]

And he was born in Kenya

No, probably not. But his father was, and came to Hawaii on some ill-considered scholarship, and got a white girl in trouble, and vamoosed back to Africa as fast as he could, before Obama was two years old. And then lived and died early as a chronic drunk. I know what I think of a history like that! Not respectable enough for his offspring to be president.

For this reason president Obama became a social activist.

The problem is that he learned to use his power against the people he blamed for his early life.

In those years discrimination against women marrying black men was strong. Perhaps this discrimination contributed to have young Barack outside the US.

It is said, that when young adult, he used to be member of a gay club and enjoy having white men performing oral sex on him. Maybe he felt great seeing those white men on their knees in front of him.

Point is that, under his administration he was towards the help not to blacks but to LGBT demands.

In his personality I observed the typical social resent, the one who acquired power to accomplish his revenge: humiliate white people.

I tell you this, read his messages, and you will find out those are mediocre. President Obama was just an excellent orator. You can find a huge difference between hearing him talking and reading the transcript.

Him talking was very convincing, that was his thing. For this reason he continued for the first months- as president- his daily and weekly message to the nation, in order to continue having people under his "speech control".

People was like hypnotized by the novelty, the America known around the world as the land of "gringos" (white people with blond hair and blue eyes) had a black man as president. A dream to become a reality for many.

Now, that dream is over, now we have a new sheriff in town. And this sheriff is doing an excellent work.

Try not to disturb him, there still is plenty work to do under his command.

 

[OnePercenter]

Fair enough. Let’s take a look.

The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.

General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $80 billion bailout to save the car industry.

As far as it is known, that "loan" was proposed by George Bush, and applied under Obama. I think Obama added some extra millions, but the initiative was from the previous administration. Ford company was not in need of that loan.

Was the Big 3 Auto Bailout Worth It?

"The Ford Motor Company didn't need the funds since it had already cut costs. But it asked to be included so it wouldn't suffer by competing with companies who already had government subsidies."

"Ford's Bailout
Although Ford did not receive TARP funds, it did receive government loans. These were critical because banks were not lending during the financial crisis. It requested a $9 billion line-of-credit from the government. In return, it pledged to spend $14 billion on new technologies.


On June 23, 2009, Ford received a $5.9 billion loan from the Energy Department's Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing program. In return, it pledged to accelerate the development of both hybrid and battery-powered vehicles, close dealerships, and sell Volvo. It upgraded factories in Illinois, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, and Ohio to produce hybrid vehicles.


Ford used the funds to switch its focus to commercial electric vehicles. In 2016, CEO Mark Fields said, "We want to become a top player in electrified solutions. The company wants to lead…we can win such as with our commercial vehicles."


Eighty-one percent of the funds went to create new efficiency technologies for gas-powered vehicles. For example, they helped fund Ford's aluminum bodies in the F-series pickups. The Congressional Research Service estimated the loans saved 33,000 jobs. Ford will repay this loan by 2022.


Many argue that Ford needed the funds to sustain its cash flow during the recession. Ford says it was in better shape than the other two because it had mortgaged its assets in 2006 to raise $23.6 billion. It used the loans to retool its product lineup to focus on smaller, energy-efficient vehicles. It got the United Automobile Workers to agree it could finance half of a new retiree health care trust with company stock. By April 2009, it retired $9.9 billion of the debt it had taken out in 2006."

Has Ford, the company that didn't need a loan, who asked for a loan, repaid the loan?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump is causing corporate debt to increase?

Yes. trumps failed tariffs, and yet the latest victim.

Celadon, biggest bankruptcy in truckload history expected by mid-week (with video) - FreightWaves

Yes. trumps failed tariffs,

How much did his tariffs cause debt to increase?

25%

Trump increased tariffs on more Chinese products to 25%—here's what could get more expensive

Why would a tariff on a couple of hundred billion in imports cause corporate debt to increase by $3 trillion?

Your idiotic claims have weaker math than usual.

Consumer debt. You are aware that consumer credit card debt is more than $1T.

Your claim was tariffs caused corporate debt to climb.

Don't change the subject.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump is causing corporate debt to increase?

Yes. trumps failed tariffs, and yet the latest victim.

Celadon, biggest bankruptcy in truckload history expected by mid-week (with video) - FreightWaves

More recent numbers are difficult to come by because Celadon had to restate its financial reporting after mismanagement and a complex accounting scandal that ultimately resulted in former executives being indicted on securities fraud charges yesterday, December 5.

A short seller’s report that was published on the stock research and commentary site Seeking Alpha on April 5, 2017, “Celadon Group: A Story That Ends At Chapter 11,” crashed the stock. The report outlined the accounting shenanigans that Meek and Peavler had been responsible for. A month later, the company’s auditor, BKD, pulled out of the company.

Hmmmm…..looks like their fraud was the issue, not Trump.

Hmmmm......Corporate America isn't honest? Really? Celadon's freight is tied to imports thus restricting the income of the company.

Your claim that tariffs caused the bankruptcy was definitely dishonest.

As I've point out, Celadon's freight was tied to imports. As imports have weakened, so did their freight.

As I've point out, Celadon's freight was tied to imports.

Their fraudulent reporting was hiding their losses before Trump took office.