We talk about deporting the 11 million illegal Hispanics in the US

[Delta4Embassy]

So why not discuss deporting the 5-12 million Muslims? They're actually doing shit against US interests. Hispanics are just working.

 

[Kondor3]

So why not discuss deporting the 5-12 million Muslims? They're actually doing shit against US interests. Hispanics are just working.

Illegal Aliens are here without our permission and are stealing jobs and depressing wages and draining resources and cannot hide behind the mask of religious freedom.

Muslims are almost always here legally...

And their hybrid warrior-religion-turned-legal-cultural-social-political-system can hide behind our embedded religious freedoms tradition.

But, in the final analysis, when Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety nearly always wins.

And we do, indeed, seem to be rapidly sliding downhill, to that choice between Constitutionality and Safety, in connection with Militant Islam.

If something drastic ever unfolds in dealing with Muslims here, it will quite probably be preceded by a declaration that Islam is not a religion, after all.

The rationale and inconsistency won't matter anywhere near as much as the declaration itself, and what it empowers, afterwards.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

So why not discuss deporting the 5-12 million Muslims? They're actually doing shit against US interests. Hispanics are just working.

Illegal Aliens are here without our permission and are stealing jobs and depressing wages and draining resources and cannot hide behind the mask of religious freedom.

Muslims are almost always here legally...

And their hybrid warrior-religion-turned-legal-cultural-social-political-system can hide behind our embedded religious freedoms tradition.

But, in the final analysis, when Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety nearly always wins.

And we do, indeed, seem to be rapidly sliding downhill, to that choice between Constitutionality and Safety, in connection with Militant Islam.

Poorly educated undocumented illegals are NOT taking anyone's job. US business outsources more desireable US jobs than illegals might take.

 

[Kondor3]

So why not discuss deporting the 5-12 million Muslims? They're actually doing shit against US interests. Hispanics are just working.

Illegal Aliens are here without our permission and are stealing jobs and depressing wages and draining resources and cannot hide behind the mask of religious freedom.

Muslims are almost always here legally...

And their hybrid warrior-religion-turned-legal-cultural-social-political-system can hide behind our embedded religious freedoms tradition.

But, in the final analysis, when Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety nearly always wins.

And we do, indeed, seem to be rapidly sliding downhill, to that choice between Constitutionality and Safety, in connection with Militant Islam.

Poorly educated undocumented illegals are NOT taking anyone's job. US business outsources more desireable US jobs than illegals might take.

Oh, there's no escaping the idea that the frigging corporatists are sending American jobs overseas at the speed of light.

But that has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Illegal Aliens steal jobs and depress wages in the trades.

Just ask any carpenter, roofer, plumber, landscaper, etc, in an area infested by Illegals.

Trouble with Militant Muslims should not be allowed to distract us from multi-tasking in connection with the 11,000,000 Illegal Aliens in our midst.

Multi-tasking.

We need to be dealing with both, simultaneously, and separately.

In the words of the great, late Ernie Banks: "Let's play two !"

 

[JoeB131]

But, in the final analysis, when Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety nearly always wins.

And we do, indeed, seem to be rapidly sliding downhill, to that choice between Constitutionality and Safety, in connection with Militant Islam.

So wait a minute. YOu are saying because two Muslims shot 14 people, we need to totally scrap the 1st Amendment....

But you don't think that 33,000 gun deaths justify scrapping the Second Amendment, or at least paying attention to that 'Well-regulated militia" part.

 

[Kondor3]

But, in the final analysis, when Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety nearly always wins.

And we do, indeed, seem to be rapidly sliding downhill, to that choice between Constitutionality and Safety, in connection with Militant Islam.

So wait a minute. YOu are saying because two Muslims shot 14 people, we need to totally scrap the 1st Amendment....

Nope.

I'm saying that one Muslim-centric terrorist act on top of another and another and another and another and another and another might very well result in stripping Islam of its First Amendment protections while leaving those protections in-place and in-force for everybody else.

...But you don't think that 33,000 gun deaths justify scrapping the Second Amendment, or at least paying attention to that 'Well-regulated militia" part.

Nope.

I'm all in favor of national standards pertaining to (a) owner licensing, (b) firearm registration, (c) aquisition and disposal and tracking, (d) training and certifications, (e) periodic re-vetting in a licensing context, etc.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope.

I'm saying that one Muslim-centric terrorist act on top of another and another and another and another and another and another might very well result in stripping Islam of its First Amendment protections while leaving those protections in-place and in-force for everybody else.

since the vast majority of mass shootings are carried out by Christians in this country, shouldn't we hold Christianity to the same standards?

Hey, ask the Japanese Americans how well that kind of thinking works out.

 

[Kondor3]

Nope.

I'm saying that one Muslim-centric terrorist act on top of another and another and another and another and another and another might very well result in stripping Islam of its First Amendment protections while leaving those protections in-place and in-force for everybody else.

since the vast majority of mass shootings are carried out by Christians in this country, shouldn't we hold Christianity to the same standards? ...

Nope.

Why?

Because this is a secularized Christian Country... New Europe... filled with Christians, not Muslims.

Because it's our country and we can do whatever the hell we want to with it.

Because Jesus of Nazareth taught Love Thy Neighbor and Turn the Other Cheek.

Because Muhammed taught Kill the Unbelivers and because his legacy-system is inherently hostile-to, alien-to, and incompatible with The West.

Huge differences.

...Hey, ask the Japanese Americans how well that kind of thinking works out.

Yep.

And the people incarcerated when Lincoln suspended habeus corpus, too.

When Constitutionality and Safety are in conflict, Safety usually wins.

We tend to make ourselves safe(r), first, and worry about batting clean-up with the legalities and touchy-feely stuff, afterwards.

It's happened before.

It will almost certainly happen again.

The question before the bar is, will Islam be the next context in which that unfolds?

And, increasingly, Islam is the front-runner for such treatment in future, if it continues down the path it's chosen, in conflict with The West, and America.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope.

Why?

Because this is a secularized Christian Country... New Europe... filled with Christians, not Muslims.

Because it's our country and we can do whatever the hell we want to with it.

Because Jesus of Nazareth taught Love Thy Neighbor and Turn the Other Cheek.

Because Muhammed taught Kill the Unbelivers and because his legacy-system is inherently hostile-to, alien-to, and incompatible with The West.

Huge differences.

I think the last time you made htis claim about "Kill the Unbeliever', i asked you to point out where that as int he Koran, and you couldn't come up with anything.

And there's just as much mean-spirited shit in the Bible... As we had hundreds of years of Christians killing each other over whether Jesus was made of wafers or not.

so that doesn't fly.

Again, if you want to keep sticking your dick in that's hornet's nest, you shouldn't whine when you get stung.

 

[gipper]

The 11 million number is out dated and may be used for propaganda purposes. It is more likely 20-30 illegals and they are not all Mexicans.

FDR is the Left's greatest hero (well except for Big Ears maybe), he imprisoned Japanese Americans and they hadn't murdered anyone. Has the Left become de-balled by their own PC kookiness?

 

[JoeB131]

The 11 million number is out dated and may be used for propaganda purposes. It is more likely 20-30 illegals and they are not all Mexicans.

FDR is the Left's greatest hero (well except for Big Ears maybe), he imprisoned Japanese Americans and they hadn't murdered anyone. Has the Left become de-balled by their own PC kookiness?

Nearly everyone agrees what was done to Japanese Americans in the 1940's was a mistake.

 

[Coyote]

So why not discuss deporting the 5-12 million Muslims? They're actually doing shit against US interests. Hispanics are just working.

Because they are American citizens most of whom are doing nothing against "American interests".

 

[Coyote]

The 11 million number is out dated and may be used for propaganda purposes. It is more likely 20-30 illegals and they are not all Mexicans.

FDR is the Left's greatest hero (well except for Big Ears maybe), he imprisoned Japanese Americans and they hadn't murdered anyone. Has the Left become de-balled by their own PC kookiness?

Nearly everyone agrees what was done to Japanese Americans in the 1940's was a mistake.

Exactly. We even, eventually after way too long, gave reparations. It marked one of the lowest points in our history.

 

[The VOR]

The 11 million number is out dated and may be used for propaganda purposes. It is more likely 20-30 illegals and they are not all Mexicans.

Let me guess, you just pulled those "20 - 30 illegals" numbers out of your ass, just like everything else you type in.

 

[Kondor3]

Nope.

Why?

Because this is a secularized Christian Country... New Europe... filled with Christians, not Muslims.

Because it's our country and we can do whatever the hell we want to with it.

Because Jesus of Nazareth taught Love Thy Neighbor and Turn the Other Cheek.

Because Muhammed taught Kill the Unbelivers and because his legacy-system is inherently hostile-to, alien-to, and incompatible with The West.

Huge differences.

I think the last time you made htis claim about "Kill the Unbeliever', i asked you to point out where that as int he Koran, and you couldn't come up with anything...

Your memory appears to be faulty in this matter.

...And there's just as much mean-spirited shit in the Bible...

Yep... and damned-near all of it in the Old Testament... and, of course, the New supercedes the Old.

...As we had hundreds of years of Christians killing each other over whether Jesus was made of wafers or not...

Yep.

Centuries ago.

When Christians fight, they do so in direct contravention to the Core Teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

When Muslims fight, they do so in direct compliance to the Core Teachings of Muhammed.

Big difference.

...so that doesn't fly...

Sure it does.

...Again, if you want to keep sticking your dick in that's hornet's nest, you shouldn't whine when you get stung.

Cowardice is not the answer.

Continued accommodation to Islam given their violence and lack of reciprocity is the answer, either.

Intelligent diplomacy and intelligent and overwhelming use of force is the answer.

When the first fails - as it always does in dealing with these Neanderthals - better use of the latter is required.

Islam is a cancer.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So why not discuss deporting the 5-12 million Muslims? They're actually doing shit against US interests. Hispanics are just working.

The ignorance of this is exceeded only by its hate.

As already correctly noted, Muslim Americans are citizens and cannot be 'deported.'

The acts of the few are not 'representative' of an entire class of persons, the notion fails as a composition fallacy, the product of unwarranted fear and bigotry.

 

[bripat9643]

So why not discuss deporting the 5-12 million Muslims? They're actually doing shit against US interests. Hispanics are just working.

Illegal Aliens are here without our permission and are stealing jobs and depressing wages and draining resources and cannot hide behind the mask of religious freedom.

Muslims are almost always here legally...

And their hybrid warrior-religion-turned-legal-cultural-social-political-system can hide behind our embedded religious freedoms tradition.

But, in the final analysis, when Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety nearly always wins.

And we do, indeed, seem to be rapidly sliding downhill, to that choice between Constitutionality and Safety, in connection with Militant Islam.

Poorly educated undocumented illegals are NOT taking anyone's job. US business outsources more desireable US jobs than illegals might take.

The desirable jobs are given to the H1-B coolies from India. Legal immigration needs to be curtailed even more than illegal immigration. Illegals do take lots of construction and other blue collar jobs. Calling them "undesirable" is an insult to all the native born Americans who used to do these jobs but are now unemployed.

 

[Kondor3]

...The acts of the few are not 'representative' of an entire class of persons, the notion fails as a composition fallacy, the product of unwarranted fear and bigotry.

How many more dozens?... scores?... hundreds? of times must we listen to this well-intentioned but misguided and myopic blathering?

How many 'atypicals' in a 'typical'?

 

[Avorysuds]

So why not discuss deporting the 5-12 million Muslims? They're actually doing shit against US interests. Hispanics are just working.

Illegal Aliens are here without our permission and are stealing jobs and depressing wages and draining resources and cannot hide behind the mask of religious freedom.

Muslims are almost always here legally...

And their hybrid warrior-religion-turned-legal-cultural-social-political-system can hide behind our embedded religious freedoms tradition.

But, in the final analysis, when Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety nearly always wins.

And we do, indeed, seem to be rapidly sliding downhill, to that choice between Constitutionality and Safety, in connection with Militant Islam.

Poorly educated undocumented illegals are NOT taking anyone's job. US business outsources more desireable US jobs than illegals might take.

You really don't understand jack shit about the work force if you believe that ignorant pile of crap you just crapped out on the internet. Not only that you then talked about outsourcing, something that high taxes and lots of bad regulations are a main cause for, not the only causes.

The issue I see if is that people like you loves slaves. You want people to compete for jobs on such a level that the wages become so depressed Americans that pay taxes and don't have the option to "send the money home" multiplying their wealth, simply can't compete.

If immigration effects the economy for the better why not just open the boarders and let everyone in? It's like the whole 24$ an hour living wage bullshit, even hyper liberal politicians are ;like "uuuuhhh, the economy will tank into a depression and I'll be blamed!!!

 

[gipper]

The 11 million number is out dated and may be used for propaganda purposes. It is more likely 20-30 illegals and they are not all Mexicans.

Let me guess, you just pulled those "20 - 30 illegals" numbers out of your ass, just like everything else you type in.

Your post may be a good example of someone who gets all their news from leftwing sources. Resulting in you being terribly uniformed. The 20-30 million number has been reported by many, but probably not by the left media.
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