We Tried To Warn You, Libs...

[Bfgrn]

At least Obama is not as bad on world relations as Mr. "You are either with us or against us" was.

You got a problem with that!?!?

"O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
Benito Mussolini

 

[Liability]

We see in this thread the ongoing deliberate dishonesty of the liberoids.

They still cannot admit that it was a bunch of Democratics who tired to stymie the passage of the civil rights laws.

They persist in trying to pretend that the GOP wasn't responsible for getting it passed.

That old dirt-bag, the present day so-called 'conscience of the Senate" [pardon me while I hurl] is an old KKK member. Sen. Robert Byrd, Democratic W. Va.

How did that maggot-fucker vote?

No. We all get to share actual history, kids. Your objections to having reality shoved in your faces and crammed down your throats are of no consequence. Eat it.

 

[Political Junky]

At least Obama is not as bad on world relations as Mr. "You are either with us or against us" was.

You got a problem with that!?!?

"O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
Benito Mussolini

Interesting that Bush got that expression from Mussolini, the Corporatist/Fascist.

 

[Liability]

At least Obama is not as bad on world relations as Mr. "You are either with us or against us" was.

You got a problem with that!?!?

"O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
Benito Mussolini

Interesting that Bush got that expression from Mussolini, the Corporatist/Fascist.

Not so interesting since it's not true.

In your trite little universe does one as simple-minded as even you plainly are really imagine that it was Mussolini who first came up with the concept of "with us or against us?"

You really are a stupid little troll.

Can anyone name a person who said something along those lines roughly 2000 years earlier than Mussolini?

 

[Bfgrn]

You got a problem with that!?!?

"O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
Benito Mussolini

Interesting that Bush got that expression from Mussolini, the Corporatist/Fascist.

Not so interesting since it's not true.

In your trite little universe does one as simple-minded as even you plainly are really imagine that it was Mussolini who first came up with the concept of "with us or against us?"

You really are a stupid little troll.

Can anyone name a person who said something along those lines roughly 2000 years earlier than Mussolini?

How about 15 to 20 years earlier...

"It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

 

[NYcarbineer]

We see in this thread the ongoing deliberate dishonesty of the liberoids.

They still cannot admit that it was a bunch of Democratics who tired to stymie the passage of the civil rights laws.

They persist in trying to pretend that the GOP wasn't responsible for getting it passed.

That old dirt-bag, the present day so-called 'conscience of the Senate" [pardon me while I hurl] is an old KKK member. Sen. Robert Byrd, Democratic W. Va.

How did that maggot-fucker vote?

No. We all get to share actual history, kids. Your objections to having reality shoved in your faces and crammed down your throats are of no consequence. Eat it.

They were Democrats. They were CONSERVATIVE Democrats. The LIBERAL Democrats voted with President Johnson on the Civil Rights bill. The CONSERVATIVE Democrats voted against it. CONSERVATIVE Republicans like Barry Goldwater voted against it.

The kind of Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights act of 1964, IRONICALLY, were the kind of moderates in the GOP that the modern day conservatives, such as YOU, want to kick out of the party.

 

[sangha]

We see in this thread the ongoing deliberate dishonesty of the liberoids.

They still cannot admit that it was a bunch of Democratics who tired to stymie the passage of the civil rights laws.

They persist in trying to pretend that the GOP wasn't responsible for getting it passed.

That old dirt-bag, the present day so-called 'conscience of the Senate" [pardon me while I hurl] is an old KKK member. Sen. Robert Byrd, Democratic W. Va.

How did that maggot-fucker vote?

No. We all get to share actual history, kids. Your objections to having reality shoved in your faces and crammed down your throats are of no consequence. Eat it.

They were Democrats. They were CONSERVATIVE Democrats. The LIBERAL Democrats voted with President Johnson on the Civil Rights bill. The CONSERVATIVE Democrats voted against it. CONSERVATIVE Republicans like Barry Goldwater voted against it.

The kind of Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights act of 1964, IRONICALLY, were the kind of moderates in the GOP that the modern day conservatives, such as YOU, want to kick out of the party.

Right. The historical fact is the vote for CRA1964 was NOT a party line vote. Dems and Repubs voted both for and against. The split was between liberals and conservatives at a time when neither party was dominated by either one.

And history shows that liberals were right, and conservatives were wrong.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Liberals and centrists on political and social issues (such as the American Revolution - Patriots - and the Civil Rights Act - true Americans) are always correct and conservatives always wrong.

 

[ConHog]

Liberals and centrists on political and social issues (such as the American Revolution - Patriots - and the Civil Rights Act - true Americans) are always correct and conservatives always wrong.

Neither side is ever always wrong nor is either side always right.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Liberals and centrists on political and social issues (such as the American Revolution - Patriots - and the Civil Rights Act - true Americans) are always correct and conservatives always wrong.

Neither side is ever always wrong nor is either side always right.

Sure, they are, conhog. Just note how wrong the conservatives have been since 1980.

 

[ConHog]

Liberals and centrists on political and social issues (such as the American Revolution - Patriots - and the Civil Rights Act - true Americans) are always correct and conservatives always wrong.

Neither side is ever always wrong nor is either side always right.

Sure, they are, conhog. Just note how wrong the conservatives have been since 1980.

Sorry, but you just sound like a partisan hack when you say things like that. The truth is both sides come up with good ideas and offer value to the system.

 

[sangha]

Liberals and centrists on political and social issues (such as the American Revolution - Patriots - and the Civil Rights Act - true Americans) are always correct and conservatives always wrong.

Neither side is ever always wrong nor is either side always right.

IMO, there are political groups which history proves are in constant error

For example, take the economic conservatives who believe in low (or no) income taxes, little to no govt regulation of business and little to no govt involvement in the economy. (Note: not ALL economic conservatives believe this, but many do) History shows that while no nation has ever become prosperous by following those policies, there are many poor nations that have these policies.

 

[ConHog]

Liberals and centrists on political and social issues (such as the American Revolution - Patriots - and the Civil Rights Act - true Americans) are always correct and conservatives always wrong.

Neither side is ever always wrong nor is either side always right.

IMO, there are political groups which history proves are in constant error

For example, take the economic conservatives who believe in low (or no) income taxes, little to no govt regulation of business and little to no govt involvement in the economy. (Note: not ALL economic conservatives believe this, but many do) History shows that while no nation has ever become prosperous by following those policies, there are many poor nations that have these policies.

and of course the same thing could be said about those who want a socialist type government.

 

[sangha]

Neither side is ever always wrong nor is either side always right.

IMO, there are political groups which history proves are in constant error

For example, take the economic conservatives who believe in low (or no) income taxes, little to no govt regulation of business and little to no govt involvement in the economy. (Note: not ALL economic conservatives believe this, but many do) History shows that while no nation has ever become prosperous by following those policies, there are many poor nations that have these policies.

and of course the same thing could be said about those who want a socialist type government.

Actually, there are prosperous socialist-type nations.

 

[ConHog]

IMO, there are political groups which history proves are in constant error

For example, take the economic conservatives who believe in low (or no) income taxes, little to no govt regulation of business and little to no govt involvement in the economy. (Note: not ALL economic conservatives believe this, but many do) History shows that while no nation has ever become prosperous by following those policies, there are many poor nations that have these policies.

and of course the same thing could be said about those who want a socialist type government.

Actually, there are prosperous socialist-type nations.

name one

 

[Avatar4321]

laugh all you want junior the last laugh will be on those who voted for obama.

Do you honestly think anyone will be laughing when President Obama is done with this nation?

 

[rikules]

Mort Zuckerman: World Sees Obama as Incompetent and AmateurThe president is well-intentioned but can't walk the walk on the world stage

"The reviews of Obama's performance have been disappointing. He has seemed uncomfortable in the role of leading other nations, and often seems to suggest there is nothing special about America's role in the world. The global community was puzzled over the pictures of Obama bowing to some of the world's leaders and surprised by his gratuitous criticisms of and apologies for America's foreign policy under the previous administration of George W. Bush. One Middle East authority, Fouad Ajami, pointed out that Obama seems unaware that it is bad form and even a great moral lapse to speak ill of one's own tribe while in the lands of others.

Even in Britain, for decades our closest ally, the talk in the press—supported by polls—is about the end of the "special relationship" with America. French President Nicolas Sarkozy openly criticized Obama for months, including a direct attack on his policies at the United Nations. ... Vladimir Putin of Russia has publicly scorned a number of Obama's visions.

As the former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, Les Gelb, put it, there is "the impression that Obama might confuse speeches with policy." ... unable to budge any Arab leader.

Strategic decisions go well beyond being smart, which Obama certainly is. They must be based on experience that discerns what works, what doesn't—and why. This requires experienced staffing, which Obama and his top appointees simply do not seem to have.

...a critical mass of influential people in world affairs who once held high hopes for the president have begun to wonder whether they misjudged the man. They are no longer dazzled by his rock star personality and there is a sense that there is something amateurish and even incompetent about how Obama is managing U.S. power."
Mort Zuckerman: World Sees Obama as Incompetent and Amateur - US News and World Report


Well, are you ready to apologize, and return to reality? I see signs of it...

"Well, are you ready to apologize, and return to reality?"


No.

I didn't vote for Obama because I thought he was the savior.

I FIRMLY oppose todays modern hatefilled vitriolic conservative

and

since it was todays modern hatefilled vitriolic conservative who were mccains base I had no choice but to vote for obama.

Obama being a disappointment as president does NOT make me change my ideals and beliefs....

I owe you no apology

 

[ConHog]

Mort Zuckerman: World Sees Obama as Incompetent and AmateurThe president is well-intentioned but can't walk the walk on the world stage

"The reviews of Obama's performance have been disappointing. He has seemed uncomfortable in the role of leading other nations, and often seems to suggest there is nothing special about America's role in the world. The global community was puzzled over the pictures of Obama bowing to some of the world's leaders and surprised by his gratuitous criticisms of and apologies for America's foreign policy under the previous administration of George W. Bush. One Middle East authority, Fouad Ajami, pointed out that Obama seems unaware that it is bad form and even a great moral lapse to speak ill of one's own tribe while in the lands of others.

Even in Britain, for decades our closest ally, the talk in the press—supported by polls—is about the end of the "special relationship" with America. French President Nicolas Sarkozy openly criticized Obama for months, including a direct attack on his policies at the United Nations. ... Vladimir Putin of Russia has publicly scorned a number of Obama's visions.

As the former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, Les Gelb, put it, there is "the impression that Obama might confuse speeches with policy." ... unable to budge any Arab leader.

Strategic decisions go well beyond being smart, which Obama certainly is. They must be based on experience that discerns what works, what doesn't—and why. This requires experienced staffing, which Obama and his top appointees simply do not seem to have.

...a critical mass of influential people in world affairs who once held high hopes for the president have begun to wonder whether they misjudged the man. They are no longer dazzled by his rock star personality and there is a sense that there is something amateurish and even incompetent about how Obama is managing U.S. power."
Mort Zuckerman: World Sees Obama as Incompetent and Amateur - US News and World Report


Well, are you ready to apologize, and return to reality? I see signs of it...

"Well, are you ready to apologize, and return to reality?"


No.

I didn't vote for Obama because I thought he was the savior.

I FIRMLY oppose todays modern hatefilled vitriolic conservative

and

since it was todays modern hatefilled vitriolic conservative who were mccains base I had no choice but to vote for obama.

Obama being a disappointment as president does NOT make me change my ideals and beliefs....

I owe you no apology

NO ONE ever owes anyone an apology for exercising their right to vote.

 

[sangha]

and of course the same thing could be said about those who want a socialist type government.

Actually, there are prosperous socialist-type nations.

name one

Sweden, France, and the US are all prosperous and do not have

a) little to no income taxes
b) little to no govt regulation of business AND
c) little to no govt involvement in the economy

 

[ConHog]

Actually, there are prosperous socialist-type nations.

name one

Sweden, France, and the US are all prosperous and do not have

a) little to no income taxes
b) little to no govt regulation of business AND
c) little to no govt involvement in the economy

First of all , I find it odd that you are associating those 3 things with socialism when in fact Obama and his socialist plans encourage all 3 of those things

Secondly,

Sweden faces rising budget deficit - The Local

BBC NEWS | Business | France scolded over budget deficit


Is a thread about the US even necessary?