Well, I guess she has a point -- Pregnant Texas woman stopped for driving solo in HOV told police ...

[dblack]

If we can't differentiate between the two then all abortions should be considered first degree murder.

Yes. That was the point of changing the penal code. Didn't you get the memo?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

So is the fetus a person or not?

Was a black person living in the southern parts of the United States before the Civil War a person, or not?

Was a Jew living in Germany in the 1930s a person, or not?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

A judge can rule on anything he or she wants. What's stopping them?

Good point, just look at SCOTUS

 

[Bob Blaylock]

It is a person but not a passenger.

How is she not a passenger?

She is riding in a vehicle, but she is not the one who is operating that vehicle. That makes her a passenger, even if she happens to be inside of the person who is operating the vehicle.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We used to have that in my state. I don't know of any place that still does that. It was mandated by city instead of the entire state, so customers who needed alcohol for a party or whatever would simply go to the next city that sold alcohol on Sunday, and they all quit doing it after a while.

Oh they still do that here.

Brazos county (College Station) is a dry county so any A&M student wanting liquor has to drive to the Brazos River and cross into Burleson county, where liquor stores line the river front.

Collin County, where I live, is not a dry county, but I'll leave it up to the cities. If I want some hooch, I have to go down to Plano.

But statewide, no alcohol sales of anytime before noon on Sunday, and no liquor sales at all on Sunday. Fucking stupid.

 

[pknopp]

The citation is not the opinion the opinion is the officer telling her he believes the citation would be dropped if she fought it.

Right, he doesn't believe in the citation he wrote.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Which is what this lady is saying, and that inconsistency should get her out of a ticket.

Did she have the infant in a child safety seat?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How is she not a passenger?

She is riding in a vehicle, but she is not the one who is operating that vehicle. That makes her a passenger, even if she happens to be inside of the person who is operating the vehicle.

She can try to make that claim in court but a judge will not likely see it that way. The law is designed to give special treatment to people that carpool, and a fetus can't carpool.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Good point, just look at SCOTUS

What about SCOTUS? Where do you see anything about abortion in the US Constitution yet alone protections for it?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Isn't that what Texas wants?

Did they do that?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Did she have the infant in a child safety seat?

She did not get a ticket for that, so it is irrelevant...unless of course you say that the baby in the womb does not count at "people"

 

[dblack]

Did they do that?

Yes, they did.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, they did.

They did? Abortions are now considered first degree murder in Texas?

 

[HenryBHough]

You cannot charge a pregnant woman who drinks with child abuse. Dumb question. Dumb thinking.

True.

Be patient.

We're working on that oversight.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

She did not get a ticket for that, so it is irrelevant...unless of course you say that the baby in the womb does not count at "people"

I agree, they should dismiss the HOV ticket and replace it with a no car seat ticket.

 

[dblack]

They did? Abortions are now considered first degree murder in Texas?

That was the intent of changing the penal code to consider fetuses as persons. Do you deny it?

 

[pknopp]

I agree, they should dismiss the HOV ticket and replace it with a no car seat ticket.

Except the fetus was properly secured.

 

[initforme]

She was legal in all aspects.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Except the fetus was properly secured.

You can't secure a baby without a car seat.

 

[pknopp]

You can't secure a baby without a car seat.

I don't believe I said you could.