Well well look who has the most high paying factory jobs..the south

[kaz]

Obama did a great job...Way to go Obama..

Why did he help the red states not Blue?


Ever hear of Right to work and dumb ass unions costing them their own jobs because of laziness?

If you look at most blue states like California for instance they have gone Hi tech and is booming also, most of the industry jobs have left near the cities.
Texas is a hot spot too for Hi-tech ...

Probably Tennessee has more land available for the space needed for the big industries .. I hope to see more come in..

You think high tech companies hire the uneducated and welfare queens? LOL, of course you do

 

[Eaglewings]

Obama did a great job...Way to go Obama..

Welfare whores celebrate!

Kaz has a thing about whores...

 

[gallantwarrior]

I seen this arguing with rderp..




The other big cluster of industrial hotspots is in the Southeast. Manufacturing has been heading to the region for several decades, recently primed by major investments from German and Japanese companies, among others. A prime example is Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro, Tenn., No. 4 on our list, where manufacturing employment has jumped 23.9% since 2009. Japan’s Nissan and Bridgestone have establishing manufacturing plants in Central Tennessee, which has also created opportunities for small domestic parts companies in the region. Nissan also relocated its U.S. headquarters to the area in 2006 from Southern California. And domestic auto makers are have become major players in the Southeast—Ford employs some 14,000 in the Louisville, Ky., area, which checks in at No. 7 among our largest MSAs. The South, notes a recentBrookings study, now has the highest number of workers in the country employed in “advanced industries,” which tend to be the higher paying, more technically oriented parts of the factory economy.

Not those damned right-to-work states! Horrors! Say it isn't so...!

 

[kaz]

Obama did a great job...Way to go Obama..

Welfare whores celebrate!

Kaz has a thing about whores...

OK, you got me, come you little cutie, I'll rub your belly ...

 

[Wyatt earp]

In fact, read the entire Report from 2013:

The nation’s declining concentration in advanced industries and its negative trade balance in the sector do not bode well. Since 2000, the sector’s employment and output as a share of the total U.S. economy has shrunk, and the nation’s standing on these measures now lags world leaders. Equally worrisome is the balance of trade in the sector. Although advanced industries export $1.1 trillion worth of goods and services each year and account for roughly 60 percent of total U.S. exports, the United States ran a $632 billion trade deficit in the sector in 2012, in line with similar yearly balances since 1999. To be sure, a handful of individual advanced industries such as royalties and other intellectual property and aerospace manufacturing enjoy trade surpluses that exceeded $60 and $80 billion in 2012. However, numerous areas of historical strength such as communications equipment, computer equipment, motor vehicles, and pharmaceuticals now run sizeable deficits, as do high-value R&D services and computer and information services

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_FinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

This from the Executive report:

● In terms of the sector’s growth and change, the total number of jobs in the sector has remained mostly flat since 1980, but its output has soared.

● Recharge the skills pipeline. More qualified workers with different and more technical skillsets are also critical to the future competitiveness of the sector. However, the skills prerequisites of modern advanced industries have been changing faster than the country’s ability to train the needed workers. Now that the economy is heating up and firms are beginning to expand again, both private- and public-sector actors—often in partnership—need to bear down on improving the availability of skilled workers by developing smart, industry led, sector-specific, regional skills initiatives. Overall, firms need to get much more involved in developing the skills pipeline and the public sector must become much more responsive to their needs

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_ESFinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

------------------------------------

I don't know what you guys THINK I've been saying, but this report, a bit dated, still mirrors what I've been saying all along. That there are 5.8 million jobs availible because people don't have the skills.

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

Because there is a concentration of jobs somewhere doesn't mean there are lot's of jobs.

Because companies are investing doesn't mean they are investing in new workers.

The truth is 88% of jobs in manufacturing disapeared because of automation, not because they moved to somewhere else.

I know you guys want so bad for rdean to be wrong. But it's not happening. I've been saying all along that education is important. The problem with you guys, is you think it isn't.

You still want to refuse you cant get jobs to locate here can you?
Yes you can it's happening as we speak.

I proved it over and over again


And you are not that smart on robotics.. Faunc has a lights out factory that it's robots build other robots.. It can go 30 days with no one even going in there...



But do you know how expensive it is?


.

And in your little mind all these factory's are going to afford these? In like 20 years or so after Trump is long gone..

 

[rdean]

I seen this arguing with rderp..




The other big cluster of industrial hotspots is in the Southeast. Manufacturing has been heading to the region for several decades, recently primed by major investments from German and Japanese companies, among others. A prime example is Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro, Tenn., No. 4 on our list, where manufacturing employment has jumped 23.9% since 2009. Japan’s Nissan and Bridgestone have establishing manufacturing plants in Central Tennessee, which has also created opportunities for small domestic parts companies in the region. Nissan also relocated its U.S. headquarters to the area in 2006 from Southern California. And domestic auto makers are have become major players in the Southeast—Ford employs some 14,000 in the Louisville, Ky., area, which checks in at No. 7 among our largest MSAs. The South, notes a recentBrookings study, now has the highest number of workers in the country employed in “advanced industries,” which tend to be the higher paying, more technically oriented parts of the factory economy.

Check this out:

http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2014/01/30/ford-to-invest-80-million-in-kentucky.html

Ford Motor Co. is continuing it substantial investment and longtime presence in Louisville with an $80 million expansion of its Kentucky Truck Plant.

Those funds will be used for automation upgrades in its paint shop, new welding robots and steel press automation, the company announced during a news conference this morning.

----------------------------------
Automated Paint Shop?
New welding robots?
Steel press automation?

All that automation. Think it leads to new jobs? You think they will have a welder and a welding robot side by side?

Check this out...





Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.

​

By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.

I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.

Here, try this:

Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum

Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:

• Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
• Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
• State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
• Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.

“With this major technology investment, we can continue to exceed the expectations of sports car buyers for years to come,” said North American Manufacturing Manager Arvin Jones. “These types of investments are evidence that the customer is at the center of every decision we make.”

-----------------------------
Check this one out:

GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee

The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.

----------------------------------

Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
----------------------------------

Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post

“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.

General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.

Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.

When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.

Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.

---------------------------------------------

Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.

 

[Wyatt earp]

In fact, read the entire Report from 2013:

The nation’s declining concentration in advanced industries and its negative trade balance in the sector do not bode well. Since 2000, the sector’s employment and output as a share of the total U.S. economy has shrunk, and the nation’s standing on these measures now lags world leaders. Equally worrisome is the balance of trade in the sector. Although advanced industries export $1.1 trillion worth of goods and services each year and account for roughly 60 percent of total U.S. exports, the United States ran a $632 billion trade deficit in the sector in 2012, in line with similar yearly balances since 1999. To be sure, a handful of individual advanced industries such as royalties and other intellectual property and aerospace manufacturing enjoy trade surpluses that exceeded $60 and $80 billion in 2012. However, numerous areas of historical strength such as communications equipment, computer equipment, motor vehicles, and pharmaceuticals now run sizeable deficits, as do high-value R&D services and computer and information services

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_FinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

This from the Executive report:

● In terms of the sector’s growth and change, the total number of jobs in the sector has remained mostly flat since 1980, but its output has soared.

● Recharge the skills pipeline. More qualified workers with different and more technical skillsets are also critical to the future competitiveness of the sector. However, the skills prerequisites of modern advanced industries have been changing faster than the country’s ability to train the needed workers. Now that the economy is heating up and firms are beginning to expand again, both private- and public-sector actors—often in partnership—need to bear down on improving the availability of skilled workers by developing smart, industry led, sector-specific, regional skills initiatives. Overall, firms need to get much more involved in developing the skills pipeline and the public sector must become much more responsive to their needs

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_ESFinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

------------------------------------

I don't know what you guys THINK I've been saying, but this report, a bit dated, still mirrors what I've been saying all along. That there are 5.8 million jobs availible because people don't have the skills.

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

Because there is a concentration of jobs somewhere doesn't mean there are lot's of jobs.

Because companies are investing doesn't mean they are investing in new workers.

The truth is 88% of jobs in manufacturing disapeared because of automation, not because they moved to somewhere else.

I know you guys want so bad for rdean to be wrong. But it's not happening. I've been saying all along that education is important. The problem with you guys, is you think it isn't.

You still want to refuse you cant get jobs to locate here can you?
Yes you can it's happening as we speak.

I proved it over and over again


And you are not that smart on robotics.. Faunc has a lights out factory that it's robots build other robots.. It can go 30 days with no one even going in there...



But do you know how expensive it is?


.

And in your little mind all these factory's are going to afford these? In like 20 years or so after Trump is long gone..

Each FANUC robot has a base price but this price can vary. Some example are:

• Robot cost varies with the size of the robot and its attendant servo motors and controllers.
• Collaborative robots have many added features that make this a more expensive option
• Food grade robots and special environment robots have higher Ingress Protection (IP) ratings to protect them from environmental elements

Robot Cost
List prices for FANUC’s most common robots vary from $25,000 for the simplest, least expensive M1iA, 4 axis “spider” robot with .5kg capacity to the M2000/1200 6 axis robot with 1200kg capacity topping out at over $400,000 list price.



.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I seen this arguing with rderp..




The other big cluster of industrial hotspots is in the Southeast. Manufacturing has been heading to the region for several decades, recently primed by major investments from German and Japanese companies, among others. A prime example is Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro, Tenn., No. 4 on our list, where manufacturing employment has jumped 23.9% since 2009. Japan’s Nissan and Bridgestone have establishing manufacturing plants in Central Tennessee, which has also created opportunities for small domestic parts companies in the region. Nissan also relocated its U.S. headquarters to the area in 2006 from Southern California. And domestic auto makers are have become major players in the Southeast—Ford employs some 14,000 in the Louisville, Ky., area, which checks in at No. 7 among our largest MSAs. The South, notes a recentBrookings study, now has the highest number of workers in the country employed in “advanced industries,” which tend to be the higher paying, more technically oriented parts of the factory economy.

Check this out:

http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2014/01/30/ford-to-invest-80-million-in-kentucky.html

Ford Motor Co. is continuing it substantial investment and longtime presence in Louisville with an $80 million expansion of its Kentucky Truck Plant.

Those funds will be used for automation upgrades in its paint shop, new welding robots and steel press automation, the company announced during a news conference this morning.

----------------------------------
Automated Paint Shop?
New welding robots?
Steel press automation?

All that automation. Think it leads to new jobs? You think they will have a welder and a welding robot side by side?

Check this out...





Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.

​

By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.

I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.

Here, try this:

Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum

Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:

• Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
• Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
• State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
• Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.

“With this major technology investment, we can continue to exceed the expectations of sports car buyers for years to come,” said North American Manufacturing Manager Arvin Jones. “These types of investments are evidence that the customer is at the center of every decision we make.”

-----------------------------
Check this one out:

GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee

The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.

----------------------------------

Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
----------------------------------

Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post

“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.

General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.

Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.

When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.

Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.

---------------------------------------------

Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.

Of course we could of done it in the 1980s if cost was no object.. What happened at GM with its robots it cost to much to fix


.

What do you think all these mid range company's have the capital to automate everything?


.

 

[OKTexas]

Obama did a great job...Way to go Obama..

Why did he help the red states not Blue?


Ever hear of Right to work and dumb ass unions costing them their own jobs because of laziness?

If you look at most blue states like California for instance they have gone Hi tech and is booming also, most of the industry jobs have left near the cities.
Texas is a hot spot too for Hi-tech ...

Probably Tennessee has more land available for the space needed for the big industries .. I hope to see more come in..

TX has plants form GM, Toyota and Peterbuilt.

 

[rdean]

In fact, read the entire Report from 2013:

The nation’s declining concentration in advanced industries and its negative trade balance in the sector do not bode well. Since 2000, the sector’s employment and output as a share of the total U.S. economy has shrunk, and the nation’s standing on these measures now lags world leaders. Equally worrisome is the balance of trade in the sector. Although advanced industries export $1.1 trillion worth of goods and services each year and account for roughly 60 percent of total U.S. exports, the United States ran a $632 billion trade deficit in the sector in 2012, in line with similar yearly balances since 1999. To be sure, a handful of individual advanced industries such as royalties and other intellectual property and aerospace manufacturing enjoy trade surpluses that exceeded $60 and $80 billion in 2012. However, numerous areas of historical strength such as communications equipment, computer equipment, motor vehicles, and pharmaceuticals now run sizeable deficits, as do high-value R&D services and computer and information services

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_FinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

This from the Executive report:

● In terms of the sector’s growth and change, the total number of jobs in the sector has remained mostly flat since 1980, but its output has soared.

● Recharge the skills pipeline. More qualified workers with different and more technical skillsets are also critical to the future competitiveness of the sector. However, the skills prerequisites of modern advanced industries have been changing faster than the country’s ability to train the needed workers. Now that the economy is heating up and firms are beginning to expand again, both private- and public-sector actors—often in partnership—need to bear down on improving the availability of skilled workers by developing smart, industry led, sector-specific, regional skills initiatives. Overall, firms need to get much more involved in developing the skills pipeline and the public sector must become much more responsive to their needs

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_ESFinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

------------------------------------

I don't know what you guys THINK I've been saying, but this report, a bit dated, still mirrors what I've been saying all along. That there are 5.8 million jobs availible because people don't have the skills.

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

Because there is a concentration of jobs somewhere doesn't mean there are lot's of jobs.

Because companies are investing doesn't mean they are investing in new workers.

The truth is 88% of jobs in manufacturing disapeared because of automation, not because they moved to somewhere else.

I know you guys want so bad for rdean to be wrong. But it's not happening. I've been saying all along that education is important. The problem with you guys, is you think it isn't.

You still want to refuse you cant get jobs to locate here can you?
Yes you can it's happening as we speak.

I proved it over and over again


And you are not that smart on robotics.. Faunc has a lights out factory that it's robots build other robots.. It can go 30 days with no one even going in there...



But do you know how expensive it is?


.

And in your little mind all these factory's are going to afford these? In like 20 years or so after Trump is long gone..

Funny, you post a picture of a robot that someone can afford now. And with artificial intelligence, these robots can be programmed to do just about anything.

ATX West 2017

I went to this robotics trade show a couple of years ago. A friend of mine started an automation company in Los Angeles. He also became a "preferred vendor" for Disneyland. I designed his booth as a favor so he flew me out to the show to work the booth. He was the only company at the show that refurbished existing automated equipment. With new solenoids and actuators, and programming, he could take 60 cycles a minute and turn it into 120 cycles a minute. His company also designs new automation, not just fixes old.

So while I was there, I walked all around the enormous show. Check out the floor plan:

http://www.canontradeshows.com/expo/cms_anaheim/media/AS_ANA17_floorplan.pdf

I watched a robot play pick up sticks. A huge pile of these sticks and never saw a single one move except for the one being picked up. And so fast. There was a plate with holes and each stick was placed into a hole and when they were all gone, the plate with all the sticks turned over and the robot started all over again. 3d cameras were used so each individual movement didn't even have to be programmed. It still had to be programmed, but not like a CNC machine.



With such robots, you can do all kinds of things. And as the number of robots goes up, the cost goes down.

It's difficult to believe without actually looking at it and watching it happen. Humans simply can't compete with this level of speed and precision. And AI makes programming easier and easier.

Then there are 3d printers. They used to be just plastic. Now they are turning out metals.



3d printers made with automation from parts printed by another 3d printer. You can see it coming.

 

[rdean]

In fact, read the entire Report from 2013:

The nation’s declining concentration in advanced industries and its negative trade balance in the sector do not bode well. Since 2000, the sector’s employment and output as a share of the total U.S. economy has shrunk, and the nation’s standing on these measures now lags world leaders. Equally worrisome is the balance of trade in the sector. Although advanced industries export $1.1 trillion worth of goods and services each year and account for roughly 60 percent of total U.S. exports, the United States ran a $632 billion trade deficit in the sector in 2012, in line with similar yearly balances since 1999. To be sure, a handful of individual advanced industries such as royalties and other intellectual property and aerospace manufacturing enjoy trade surpluses that exceeded $60 and $80 billion in 2012. However, numerous areas of historical strength such as communications equipment, computer equipment, motor vehicles, and pharmaceuticals now run sizeable deficits, as do high-value R&D services and computer and information services

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_FinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

This from the Executive report:

● In terms of the sector’s growth and change, the total number of jobs in the sector has remained mostly flat since 1980, but its output has soared.

● Recharge the skills pipeline. More qualified workers with different and more technical skillsets are also critical to the future competitiveness of the sector. However, the skills prerequisites of modern advanced industries have been changing faster than the country’s ability to train the needed workers. Now that the economy is heating up and firms are beginning to expand again, both private- and public-sector actors—often in partnership—need to bear down on improving the availability of skilled workers by developing smart, industry led, sector-specific, regional skills initiatives. Overall, firms need to get much more involved in developing the skills pipeline and the public sector must become much more responsive to their needs

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_ESFinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

------------------------------------

I don't know what you guys THINK I've been saying, but this report, a bit dated, still mirrors what I've been saying all along. That there are 5.8 million jobs availible because people don't have the skills.

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

Because there is a concentration of jobs somewhere doesn't mean there are lot's of jobs.

Because companies are investing doesn't mean they are investing in new workers.

The truth is 88% of jobs in manufacturing disapeared because of automation, not because they moved to somewhere else.

I know you guys want so bad for rdean to be wrong. But it's not happening. I've been saying all along that education is important. The problem with you guys, is you think it isn't.

You still want to refuse you cant get jobs to locate here can you?
Yes you can it's happening as we speak.

I proved it over and over again


And you are not that smart on robotics.. Faunc has a lights out factory that it's robots build other robots.. It can go 30 days with no one even going in there...



But do you know how expensive it is?


.

And in your little mind all these factory's are going to afford these? In like 20 years or so after Trump is long gone..

Each FANUC robot has a base price but this price can vary. Some example are:

• Robot cost varies with the size of the robot and its attendant servo motors and controllers.
• Collaborative robots have many added features that make this a more expensive option
• Food grade robots and special environment robots have higher Ingress Protection (IP) ratings to protect them from environmental elements

Robot Cost
List prices for FANUC’s most common robots vary from $25,000 for the simplest, least expensive M1iA, 4 axis “spider” robot with .5kg capacity to the M2000/1200 6 axis robot with 1200kg capacity topping out at over $400,000 list price.



.

If you are paying a worker to work for 8 hours at 50 grand a year, the robot can work 24 hours a day. That's 150 thousand dollars in one year and you won't be paying healthcare or unemployment insurance or profit sharing.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I seen this arguing with rderp..




The other big cluster of industrial hotspots is in the Southeast. Manufacturing has been heading to the region for several decades, recently primed by major investments from German and Japanese companies, among others. A prime example is Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro, Tenn., No. 4 on our list, where manufacturing employment has jumped 23.9% since 2009. Japan’s Nissan and Bridgestone have establishing manufacturing plants in Central Tennessee, which has also created opportunities for small domestic parts companies in the region. Nissan also relocated its U.S. headquarters to the area in 2006 from Southern California. And domestic auto makers are have become major players in the Southeast—Ford employs some 14,000 in the Louisville, Ky., area, which checks in at No. 7 among our largest MSAs. The South, notes a recentBrookings study, now has the highest number of workers in the country employed in “advanced industries,” which tend to be the higher paying, more technically oriented parts of the factory economy.

Check this out:

http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2014/01/30/ford-to-invest-80-million-in-kentucky.html

Ford Motor Co. is continuing it substantial investment and longtime presence in Louisville with an $80 million expansion of its Kentucky Truck Plant.

Those funds will be used for automation upgrades in its paint shop, new welding robots and steel press automation, the company announced during a news conference this morning.

----------------------------------
Automated Paint Shop?
New welding robots?
Steel press automation?

All that automation. Think it leads to new jobs? You think they will have a welder and a welding robot side by side?

Check this out...





Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.

​

By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.

I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.

Here, try this:

Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum

Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:

• Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
• Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
• State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
• Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.

“With this major technology investment, we can continue to exceed the expectations of sports car buyers for years to come,” said North American Manufacturing Manager Arvin Jones. “These types of investments are evidence that the customer is at the center of every decision we make.”

-----------------------------
Check this one out:

GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee

The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.

----------------------------------

Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
----------------------------------

Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post

“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.

General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.

Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.

When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.

Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.

---------------------------------------------

Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.

Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.



Read your own thread out has nothing with Trump not being able to bring in manufacturing jobs that were outsourced... It all still take years for prices to come down and small manufacturing companies can still compete with labor..

 

[Wyatt earp]

In fact, read the entire Report from 2013:

The nation’s declining concentration in advanced industries and its negative trade balance in the sector do not bode well. Since 2000, the sector’s employment and output as a share of the total U.S. economy has shrunk, and the nation’s standing on these measures now lags world leaders. Equally worrisome is the balance of trade in the sector. Although advanced industries export $1.1 trillion worth of goods and services each year and account for roughly 60 percent of total U.S. exports, the United States ran a $632 billion trade deficit in the sector in 2012, in line with similar yearly balances since 1999. To be sure, a handful of individual advanced industries such as royalties and other intellectual property and aerospace manufacturing enjoy trade surpluses that exceeded $60 and $80 billion in 2012. However, numerous areas of historical strength such as communications equipment, computer equipment, motor vehicles, and pharmaceuticals now run sizeable deficits, as do high-value R&D services and computer and information services

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_FinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

This from the Executive report:

● In terms of the sector’s growth and change, the total number of jobs in the sector has remained mostly flat since 1980, but its output has soared.

● Recharge the skills pipeline. More qualified workers with different and more technical skillsets are also critical to the future competitiveness of the sector. However, the skills prerequisites of modern advanced industries have been changing faster than the country’s ability to train the needed workers. Now that the economy is heating up and firms are beginning to expand again, both private- and public-sector actors—often in partnership—need to bear down on improving the availability of skilled workers by developing smart, industry led, sector-specific, regional skills initiatives. Overall, firms need to get much more involved in developing the skills pipeline and the public sector must become much more responsive to their needs

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AdvancedIndustry_ESFinalFeb2lores-1.pdf

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I don't know what you guys THINK I've been saying, but this report, a bit dated, still mirrors what I've been saying all along. That there are 5.8 million jobs availible because people don't have the skills.

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

Because there is a concentration of jobs somewhere doesn't mean there are lot's of jobs.

Because companies are investing doesn't mean they are investing in new workers.

The truth is 88% of jobs in manufacturing disapeared because of automation, not because they moved to somewhere else.

I know you guys want so bad for rdean to be wrong. But it's not happening. I've been saying all along that education is important. The problem with you guys, is you think it isn't.

You still want to refuse you cant get jobs to locate here can you?
Yes you can it's happening as we speak.

I proved it over and over again


And you are not that smart on robotics.. Faunc has a lights out factory that it's robots build other robots.. It can go 30 days with no one even going in there...



But do you know how expensive it is?


.

And in your little mind all these factory's are going to afford these? In like 20 years or so after Trump is long gone..

Each FANUC robot has a base price but this price can vary. Some example are:

• Robot cost varies with the size of the robot and its attendant servo motors and controllers.
• Collaborative robots have many added features that make this a more expensive option
• Food grade robots and special environment robots have higher Ingress Protection (IP) ratings to protect them from environmental elements

Robot Cost
List prices for FANUC’s most common robots vary from $25,000 for the simplest, least expensive M1iA, 4 axis “spider” robot with .5kg capacity to the M2000/1200 6 axis robot with 1200kg capacity topping out at over $400,000 list price.



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If you are paying a worker to work for 8 hours at 50 grand a year, the robot can work 24 hours a day. That's 150 thousand dollars in one year and you won't be paying healthcare or unemployment insurance or profit sharing.

You got to come up with that 150k up front..


Damn you are not that smart..


You hire a worker for $500 bucks to run a machine.. Or pay 150k up front


Economics is not your strengths that's for sure

 

[Wyatt earp]

3d printers are still slow as hell it takes days to make a part.. And the metals they can use has the tensile strength of a cracker.

 

[rdean]

3d printers are still slow as hell it takes days to make a part.. And the metals they can use has the tensile strength of a cracker.

Come on. I posted a video of a hand gun that worked, made with stainless steel parts that came from a 3d printer. Did you even bother to watch it? You think you can safely shoot bullets from a gun with the tensile strength of a cracker??????????????????????????

 

[Wyatt earp]

3d printers are still slow as hell it takes days to make a part.. And the metals they can use has the tensile strength of a cracker.

Come on. I posted a video of a hand gun that worked, made with stainless steel parts that came from a 3d printer. Did you even bother to watch it? You think you can safely shoot bullets from a gun with the tensile strength of a cracker??????????????????????????

It would last two shots and fall apart...


But they do make $250,000 dollar metal 3d printers that are the real deal.

 

[rdean]

I seen this arguing with rderp..




The other big cluster of industrial hotspots is in the Southeast. Manufacturing has been heading to the region for several decades, recently primed by major investments from German and Japanese companies, among others. A prime example is Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro, Tenn., No. 4 on our list, where manufacturing employment has jumped 23.9% since 2009. Japan’s Nissan and Bridgestone have establishing manufacturing plants in Central Tennessee, which has also created opportunities for small domestic parts companies in the region. Nissan also relocated its U.S. headquarters to the area in 2006 from Southern California. And domestic auto makers are have become major players in the Southeast—Ford employs some 14,000 in the Louisville, Ky., area, which checks in at No. 7 among our largest MSAs. The South, notes a recentBrookings study, now has the highest number of workers in the country employed in “advanced industries,” which tend to be the higher paying, more technically oriented parts of the factory economy.

Check this out:

http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2014/01/30/ford-to-invest-80-million-in-kentucky.html

Ford Motor Co. is continuing it substantial investment and longtime presence in Louisville with an $80 million expansion of its Kentucky Truck Plant.

Those funds will be used for automation upgrades in its paint shop, new welding robots and steel press automation, the company announced during a news conference this morning.

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Automated Paint Shop?
New welding robots?
Steel press automation?

All that automation. Think it leads to new jobs? You think they will have a welder and a welding robot side by side?

Check this out...





Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.

​

By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.

I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.

Here, try this:

Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum

Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:

• Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
• Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
• State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
• Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.

“With this major technology investment, we can continue to exceed the expectations of sports car buyers for years to come,” said North American Manufacturing Manager Arvin Jones. “These types of investments are evidence that the customer is at the center of every decision we make.”

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Check this one out:

GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee

The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.

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Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
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Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post

“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.

General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.

Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.

When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.

Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.

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Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.

Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.



Read your own thread out has nothing with Trump not being able to bring in manufacturing jobs that were outsourced... It all still take years for prices to come down and small manufacturing companies can still compete with labor..

Read the Denver Post link. Only 13% of the jobs under discussion moved overseas. The rest were automated. Get it?
Even some of those 13% are being automated.

And if you have a company doing manufacturing and can't afford a $150,000 piece of equipment then they aren't doing manufacturing. They are doing assembly or service or something, but not manufacturing.

 

[Wyatt earp]

They have like 3 different styles.. The powder metal which you have to hand fill the air pockets with bronze then cure in a dryer.

That's the one in your video




All the way up to the good ones that use a laser to melt the gold, titanium or whatever..

 

[rdean]

They have like 3 different styles.. The powder metal which you have to hand fill the air pockets with bronze then cure in a dryer.

That's the one in your video




All the way up to the good ones that use a laser to melt the gold, titanium or whatever..

At the end of the video, they said they took it for a 500 round test.

Here is the second video.

3D Printed Metal Gun 500 Round Endurance Test

 

[Wyatt earp]

I seen this arguing with rderp..




The other big cluster of industrial hotspots is in the Southeast. Manufacturing has been heading to the region for several decades, recently primed by major investments from German and Japanese companies, among others. A prime example is Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro, Tenn., No. 4 on our list, where manufacturing employment has jumped 23.9% since 2009. Japan’s Nissan and Bridgestone have establishing manufacturing plants in Central Tennessee, which has also created opportunities for small domestic parts companies in the region. Nissan also relocated its U.S. headquarters to the area in 2006 from Southern California. And domestic auto makers are have become major players in the Southeast—Ford employs some 14,000 in the Louisville, Ky., area, which checks in at No. 7 among our largest MSAs. The South, notes a recentBrookings study, now has the highest number of workers in the country employed in “advanced industries,” which tend to be the higher paying, more technically oriented parts of the factory economy.

Check this out:

http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2014/01/30/ford-to-invest-80-million-in-kentucky.html

Ford Motor Co. is continuing it substantial investment and longtime presence in Louisville with an $80 million expansion of its Kentucky Truck Plant.

Those funds will be used for automation upgrades in its paint shop, new welding robots and steel press automation, the company announced during a news conference this morning.

----------------------------------
Automated Paint Shop?
New welding robots?
Steel press automation?

All that automation. Think it leads to new jobs? You think they will have a welder and a welding robot side by side?

Check this out...





Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.

​

By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.

I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.

Here, try this:

Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum

Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:

• Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
• Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
• State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
• Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.

“With this major technology investment, we can continue to exceed the expectations of sports car buyers for years to come,” said North American Manufacturing Manager Arvin Jones. “These types of investments are evidence that the customer is at the center of every decision we make.”

-----------------------------
Check this one out:

GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee

The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.

----------------------------------

Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
----------------------------------

Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post

“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.

General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.

Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.

When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.

Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.

---------------------------------------------

Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.

Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.



Read your own thread out has nothing with Trump not being able to bring in manufacturing jobs that were outsourced... It all still take years for prices to come down and small manufacturing companies can still compete with labor..

Read the Denver Post link. Only 13% of the jobs under discussion moved overseas. The rest were automated. Get it?
Even some of those 13% are being automated.

And if you have a company doing manufacturing and can't afford a $150,000 piece of equipment then they aren't doing manufacturing. They are doing assembly or service or something, but not manufacturing.

You don't know about injection molding..

Plastics..

The machines.$ 50,000 ~ a million


The molds $10,000 ~ a million
A piece


The support equipment... Dryers, grinders thermolators.. $30,000