Well Well...That LBJ Meme is bull but we knew that already

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ok-meme-blames-great-society-large-rise-afri/

The meme features a photograph of President Lyndon B. Johnson, whose "war on poverty" agenda in the mid 1960s was known as the Great Society.

Superimposed on Johnson’s image is the following text: "Black children born without a father in the home rate pre-LBJ's 'Great Society' welfare system in 1964: 7 percent. Black children born without a father in the home rate post-LBJ's 'Great Society' 2014 = 73 percent. Hey, liberals, how's your 'Great Society' working out for the black family?"

We wanted to know if the meme’s numbers were right: Did the percentage of black children born without a father in the home rise from 7 percent before the Great Society to 73 percent today, and was it due to Johnson and the Great Society?

As we researched this claim, we noticed a problem: There is no federal data on "black children born without a father in the home." Instead, we found two types of data that are similar -- but not a perfect fit.

One is unmarried black births as a percentage of all black births. The other is the percentage of black children living without a father in the home.

The first option addresses births, a key focus of the Facebook claim. But this figure ignores cases in which a couple isn’t married, but where the father is living in the home.

The second option, by contrast, does address living arrangements, but it includes all children up to age 18, not those who were "born" that year.

So to be as complete as possible, we’ll analyze both statistics here.

You know where this is going but stick with it so you can see the extent to which they lie in order to make the picture appear worse than what it is...

Unmarried black births as a percentage of all black births

In 1964, according to federal health statistics, 24.6 percent of births to non-whites were considered "illegitimate," the term used for out-of-wedlock births at the time.

In 2012, the percentage of black births that were made to unmarried black mothers was 72 percent.

This is a large increase, and the more recent figure is more or less on target. However, the starting point in 1964 is higher than the Facebook post suggests. So the overall increase is more limited than the meme says. (Note: The 1964 figure was based on the "non-white" population, a category that includes Hispanics and Asian-Americans, while the 2012 figure was for African Americans only.)

So if you use this measurement, the meme’s numbers are off.

Of course its exaggerated thats how demonization works silly

The percentage of black children living without a father in the home

These figures offer even less support for the Facebook claim.

According to Census Bureau data, about 20 percent of black children in 1960 were living with just a mother. The comparable figure for 2013 is 50 percent of black children living with a mother only. (The only pre-Great Society year for which data is available is 1960.)

So this measurement, too, shows an increase. But the increase is two-and-a-half times bigger, not 10 times bigger, as the meme says, and it’s up by 25 to 30 percentage points, rather than the 66 points cited in the meme.

When we checked with experts, we found additional problems of context and logic with the claim. Here are a few of them:

Black families weren’t the only group to see an increase in single motherhood over the same time period

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We don’t really know how common black single parenthood was prior to the Great Society

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"Welfare" -- the implicit target of the meme -- existed well before the Great Society

The welfare rules of the 1960s may have imposed a "marriage penalty" on recipients -- benefits that could be earned as a single person would disappear once a recipient got married. But such a pattern should have become evident well before the Great Society.

" ‘Welfare’ was part of the New Deal in the 1930s," said Timothy M. Smeeding, director of the Institute for Research on Poverty at the University of Wisconsin. "It was designed for widows with kids who didn’t qualify for Social Security, but it soon became a single-parent program for divorcees and later unmarried mothers."

But it was welfare for white people so that makes it ok. Continuing on

Correlation does not equal causation

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Our ruling

A meme circulating on social media said the percentage of black children born without a father in the home has risen from 7 percent in 1964 to 73 percent today, due to changes from President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society.

There’s no federal data to back up the meme’s specific claim, but the most applicable statistics show an increase in black fatherlessness that is more limited, and the rise might have been even more modest still if the early-1960s data had been more reliable.

In addition, the focus on Johnson and the Great Society is likely a red herring, since broader, societal factors are believed to have played a major role in rising rates of single-parenthood -- not just among blacks, but also among whites.

The exaggerated statistics, combined with an ignorance of important context, leads us to rate the claim False.

Imagine that? Another Right wing email chain that turns out full of bunk. At least they are consistent. Where's Alan Keys when you need a black dude to defend white dudes?

 

[PredFan]

Hey look! Closed Caption found a lie on the Internet! Wow! Who knew there were lies on the Internet?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Hey look! Closed Caption found a lie on the Internet! Wow! Who knew there were lies on the Internet?

File this one too under: What to say when you have nothing

 

[Truthseeker420]

If conservatives didn't have lies what would they run on?

 

[PredFan]

Hey look! Closed Caption found a lie on the Internet! Wow! Who knew there were lies on the Internet?

File this one too under: What to say when you have nothing

I said all that needed to be said.

 

[The Rabbi]

So we learn that there is a good basis for the internet meme. It is certainly true that black single parent households and out of wedlock births have skyrocketed. It is also true welfare policies contributed tremendously to that.
Thanks!

Socialism brings nothing but poverty, misery and death

 

[Dot Com]

Yabut hate & fear is the only thing that grabs rw'ers low-info attention.

 

[buckeye45_73]

If conservatives didn't have lies what would they run on?

We run on the truth, so what do you want to discuss. Ill be your huckleberry

 

[ClosedCaption]

So we learn that there is a good basis for the internet meme.

Thats what you learned?

It is certainly true that black single parent households and out of wedlock births have skyrocketed. It is also true welfare policies contributed tremendously to that.
Thanks!

Socialism brings nothing but poverty, misery and death

Thats exactly the opposite of what any data says so if you were talking about what is true. Your post is the same as the LBJ meme. Both lies.

If shit is sooo bad then why do republicans not simply tell the truth instead of email memes and exaggerations?

 

[The Rabbi]

So we learn that there is a good basis for the internet meme.

Thats what you learned?

It is certainly true that black single parent households and out of wedlock births have skyrocketed. It is also true welfare policies contributed tremendously to that.
Thanks!

Socialism brings nothing but poverty, misery and death

Thats exactly the opposite of what any data says so if you were talking about what is true. Your post is the same as the LBJ meme. Both lies.

If shit is sooo bad then why do republicans not simply tell the truth instead of email memes and exaggerations?

So out of wedlock births have dropped since the early 1960s?
You want to run with that, s0n?

 

[ClosedCaption]

So we learn that there is a good basis for the internet meme.

Thats what you learned?

It is certainly true that black single parent households and out of wedlock births have skyrocketed. It is also true welfare policies contributed tremendously to that.
Thanks!

Socialism brings nothing but poverty, misery and death

Thats exactly the opposite of what any data says so if you were talking about what is true. Your post is the same as the LBJ meme. Both lies.

If shit is sooo bad then why do republicans not simply tell the truth instead of email memes and exaggerations?

So out of wedlock births have dropped since the early 1960s?
You want to run with that, s0n?

Ok wiseguy show me where you found the data showing that welfare had any effect at all. Then come back and call me names when you cant. I command you

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I've never seen this particular meme. I've known for years that the illegitimate birth rate was around 25% back in the 60s. Regardless, the reality is pretty damning. Out of wedlock birth rates have tripled among black Americans and it is that lack of stable family structure that is directly responsible for their continued economic set backs. The numbers are also increasing among Hispanics and whites and if this trend doesn't reverse it's going to become a cancer to our society as a whole.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

All we know for certain is that LBJ and the Dems knowingly set up programs designated to replace the the father of the black family with a government program, thereby making them dependent on the government and have "them ******* voting Democrat for the next 200 years"

 

[martybegan]

I've never seen this particular meme. I've known for years that the illegitimate birth rate was around 25% back in the 60s. Regardless, the reality is pretty damning. Out of wedlock birth rates have tripled among black Americans and it is that lack of stable family structure that is directly responsible for their continued economic set backs. The numbers are also increasing among Hispanics and whites and if this trend doesn't reverse it's going to become a cancer to our society as a whole.

I love ClosedCaptions logic on this, "Well the actual numbers are nothing to worry about because some asshole on the internet exaggerated"

Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I've never seen this particular meme. I've known for years that the illegitimate birth rate was around 25% back in the 60s. Regardless, the reality is pretty damning. Out of wedlock birth rates have tripled among black Americans and it is that lack of stable family structure that is directly responsible for their continued economic set backs. The numbers are also increasing among Hispanics and whites and if this trend doesn't reverse it's going to become a cancer to our society as a whole.

Out of wedlock doesnt mean there isnt a father there. Geez...I present facts and you guys ignore it for the word of mouth tales you've been told. WTF?

 

[ClosedCaption]

All we know for certain is that LBJ and the Dems knowingly set up programs designated to replace the the father of the black family with a government program, thereby making them dependent on the government and have "them ******* voting Democrat for the next 200 years"

 

[The Rabbi]

Thats what you learned?



Thats exactly the opposite of what any data says so if you were talking about what is true. Your post is the same as the LBJ meme. Both lies.

If shit is sooo bad then why do republicans not simply tell the truth instead of email memes and exaggerations?

So out of wedlock births have dropped since the early 1960s?
You want to run with that, s0n?

Ok wiseguy show me where you found the data showing that welfare had any effect at all. Then come back and call me names when you cant. I command you

You're right. It was the growth of McDonald's instead that accounted for it rather than a program that encouraged single parent families.
Genius. Neg rep for outright stupidity.

 

[bedowin62]

So out of wedlock births have dropped since the early 1960s?
You want to run with that, s0n?

Ok wiseguy show me where you found the data showing that welfare had any effect at all. Then come back and call me names when you cant. I command you

You're right. It was the growth of McDonald's instead that accounted for it rather than a program that encouraged single parent families.
Genius. Neg rep for outright stupidity.

libs dont care if the glaring holes in their arguments are obvious; the first lies they tell are to themselves

idiots and hypocrites

 

[ClosedCaption]

So out of wedlock births have dropped since the early 1960s?
You want to run with that, s0n?

Ok wiseguy show me where you found the data showing that welfare had any effect at all. Then come back and call me names when you cant. I command you

You're right. It was the growth of McDonald's instead that accounted for it rather than a program that encouraged single parent families.
Genius. Neg rep for outright stupidity.

I knew you would follow orders.

 

[bodecea]

If conservatives didn't have lies what would they run on?

And photoshopped pics...don't forget those.