Were there laws broken When Trump Jr. Met the Russian lawyer?

[Slade3200]

Keep diverting by pointing your finger at Obama, it makes you look real smart

DIVERTING? Obama is at the very core of this latest faux scandal.

There would have been no meeting had Barry and Loretta not bypassed his own Dept of immigration and its decision to DENY the Russian lawyer access to the United States. Had not Barry and Loretta given the Russian Lawyer special Obama administration entry into the US in order to help a prominent Russian Money Launderer, there would be no story about any meeting.

Obama and Loretta aiding and abetting this Russian Lawyer in order to help a Russian Money Launderer IS the story, my dear snowflake.

Why should Russian lawyers be banned from the United States? Why don't you blame the lady's parents next? After all if they hadn't of had a child then the meeting never would have happened. You are getting more and more ridiculous with your arguments. They lied again. Own it.

 

[Slade3200]

You do realize this woman did not support Putin or Trump, right?Check out some other threads on the topic here. There is evidence of that.

And yet under Obama this lawyer was granted entry-
Grassley probing how Russian lawyer got into US after visa denial
Grassley wrote the departments saying Veselnitskaya had been granted parole to enter the U.S. sometime in 2015, but her parole expired in January 2016, months before the Trump Jr. meeting. Grassley noted on “Fox & Friends” that Veselnitskaya’s movements – approved or otherwise – in the U.S. occurred during the Obama administration’s watch.

Obama fought for and defended violent illegals' ability to remain in the US, harbored by criminal Sanctuary Cities...

Obama was warned about the Tsarnaev brothers, about attending a terrorist training camp and their intent to commit terrorism, but Obama allowed them to stay in the US and carry out their terrorist attack. After the bombings Obama had their pictures put up on nation-wide TV with please by the FBI to help find out who they were and where they were...DESPITE ALREADY KNOWING DAMN-WELL WHO THEY WERE.

The last time Obama gave a Visa to a foreign woman she killed 7 Americans in a terrorist attack in Ca.

Obama has a history of letting enemies / terrorists into the country, to the detriment of the country....

Keep diverting by pointing your finger at Obama, it makes you look real smart

Its funny that you think what she supports makes any kind of difference at all. She doesn't even factor into the equation. Just read the emails. Jr was told that an a Russian rep had evidence to incriminate Hillary and that the Russian government supports Trump. He set the meeting. Then he lied about it. Its pretty simple. Credibility zero

 

[MarcATL]

 

[depotoo]

Do you have any idea how many people the Clinton team reached out to for dirt on Trump and even paid for?

You do realize this woman did not support Putin or Trump, right?Check out some other threads on the topic here. There is evidence of that.

And yet under Obama this lawyer was granted entry-
Grassley probing how Russian lawyer got into US after visa denial
Grassley wrote the departments saying Veselnitskaya had been granted parole to enter the U.S. sometime in 2015, but her parole expired in January 2016, months before the Trump Jr. meeting. Grassley noted on “Fox & Friends” that Veselnitskaya’s movements – approved or otherwise – in the U.S. occurred during the Obama administration’s watch.

Obama fought for and defended violent illegals' ability to remain in the US, harbored by criminal Sanctuary Cities...

Obama was warned about the Tsarnaev brothers, about attending a terrorist training camp and their intent to commit terrorism, but Obama allowed them to stay in the US and carry out their terrorist attack. After the bombings Obama had their pictures put up on nation-wide TV with please by the FBI to help find out who they were and where they were...DESPITE ALREADY KNOWING DAMN-WELL WHO THEY WERE.

The last time Obama gave a Visa to a foreign woman she killed 7 Americans in a terrorist attack in Ca.

Obama has a history of letting enemies / terrorists into the country, to the detriment of the country....

Keep diverting by pointing your finger at Obama, it makes you look real smart

Its funny that you think what she supports makes any kind of difference at all. She doesn't even factor into the equation. Just read the emails. Jr was told that an a Russian rep had evidence to incriminate Hillary and that the Russian government supports Trump. He set the meeting. Then he lied about it. Its pretty simple. Credibility zero

 

[debbiedowner]

The Obama DOJ set the Russian lawyer up as bait so they could have an excuse to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trumps. This was pure unadulterated entrapment.

So I'm set up by the cops or FBI for something and I don't take the bait, I'm let off, I take the bait I am guilty as hell.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

The Obama DOJ set the Russian lawyer up as bait so they could have an excuse to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trumps. This was pure unadulterated entrapment.

Fucking dimwit! Any FISA judge would NEVER issue a warrant for that purpose! That would be un-Constitutional as Hell you fool! It would take a search warrant affirming probable cause from an Article III Judge, shit for brains, NOT A FISA JUDGE!!

 

[ColonelAngus]

Of course no laws were broken.

She was in the USA on a DOJ Visa.

Trump Jr can talk to anyone he wants to.

If this Russian lawyer is so bad, why did Loretta Lynch approve the VISA?

 

[debbiedowner]

But experts on national security and election law say this “defense” is, legally speaking, no defense at all.

“The emails are simply put damning as a legal matter,” explains Ryan Goodman, a former Defense Department special counsel and current editor of the legal site Just Security. “The text of the emails provide very clear evidence of participation in a scheme to involve the Russian government in federal election interference, in a form that is prohibited by federal criminal law.”

Jens David Ohlin, a law professor at Cornell University, is even blunter: “It’s a shocking admission of a criminal conspiracy.”


Trump Jr.‘s decision to take the meeting in and of itself likely violated campaign finance law, which does not require you to actually get anything useful from foreigners. In other words, the mere fact that Trump Jr. asked for information from a Russian national about Clinton might have constituted a federal crime.

“The law states that no person shall knowingly solicit or accept from a foreign national any contribution to a campaign of an item of value,” Goodman tells me. “There is now a clear case that Donald Trump Jr. has met all the elements of the law, which is a criminally enforced federal statute.”

Apparently you can dig up dirt all day long on an opponent if confined to U.S., go outside and you're in deep shit.

 

[Slade3200]

Do you have any idea how many people the Clinton team reached out to for dirt on Trump and even paid for?

You do realize this woman did not support Putin or Trump, right?Check out some other threads on the topic here. There is evidence of that.

And yet under Obama this lawyer was granted entry-
Grassley probing how Russian lawyer got into US after visa denial
Grassley wrote the departments saying Veselnitskaya had been granted parole to enter the U.S. sometime in 2015, but her parole expired in January 2016, months before the Trump Jr. meeting. Grassley noted on “Fox & Friends” that Veselnitskaya’s movements – approved or otherwise – in the U.S. occurred during the Obama administration’s watch.

Obama fought for and defended violent illegals' ability to remain in the US, harbored by criminal Sanctuary Cities...

Obama was warned about the Tsarnaev brothers, about attending a terrorist training camp and their intent to commit terrorism, but Obama allowed them to stay in the US and carry out their terrorist attack. After the bombings Obama had their pictures put up on nation-wide TV with please by the FBI to help find out who they were and where they were...DESPITE ALREADY KNOWING DAMN-WELL WHO THEY WERE.

The last time Obama gave a Visa to a foreign woman she killed 7 Americans in a terrorist attack in Ca.

Obama has a history of letting enemies / terrorists into the country, to the detriment of the country....

Keep diverting by pointing your finger at Obama, it makes you look real smart

Its funny that you think what she supports makes any kind of difference at all. She doesn't even factor into the equation. Just read the emails. Jr was told that an a Russian rep had evidence to incriminate Hillary and that the Russian government supports Trump. He set the meeting. Then he lied about it. Its pretty simple. Credibility zero

There's the finger pointing again... wow, amazing how none of you can just stick to the subject. Clinton lost the election, had thousands of people chanting "Lock her up" at Trump rallies... Is identified by millions as crooked. How are you excusing Trump lies by pointing to Hillary... Worst diversion ever. Just sack up and own it!

 

[debbiedowner]

Need to ask Obama and Loretta Lynch!
This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.
Later, a series of events between an intermediary for the attorney and the Trump campaign ultimately led to the controversy surrounding the president's eldest son.

[Now here is the really interesting point regarding possible law breaking by Lynch.]
The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya’s permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.

Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team

Now WHERE is all the MSM mania regarding this? Were there LAWS broken? Where was the
frenzy with ABC/CBS/NBC cabal leading off the evening news regarding the Obama administration
laxness regarding this "Russian" INFLUENCE on American Policy!!!!!!

View attachment 138556

You think based on what you said above that the Russian attorney might be in some trouble for doing more than just defending her client? She hightailed it back to Russia, but I wonder how soon it will be before she comes back?

Of course the DOJ is going to allow a company's attorney to come here to represent it, especially when it is a DOJ case on the table. You don't deny the company its representation.

You guys are desperate to "blame" a Democrat for Jr.'s actions, but it ain't gonna fly this time. Jr. stepped in it and he did it all himself. Admitted it too.

/----- DT Jr did nothing wrong. He broke no laws. You got nothing cupcake. View attachment 138565

Federal election laws.

 

[debbiedowner]

Need to ask Obama and Loretta Lynch!
This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.
Later, a series of events between an intermediary for the attorney and the Trump campaign ultimately led to the controversy surrounding the president's eldest son.

[Now here is the really interesting point regarding possible law breaking by Lynch.]
The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya’s permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.

Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team

Now WHERE is all the MSM mania regarding this? Were there LAWS broken? Where was the
frenzy with ABC/CBS/NBC cabal leading off the evening news regarding the Obama administration
laxness regarding this "Russian" INFLUENCE on American Policy!!!!!!

View attachment 138556

You think based on what you said above that the Russian attorney might be in some trouble for doing more than just defending her client? She hightailed it back to Russia, but I wonder how soon it will be before she comes back?

Of course the DOJ is going to allow a company's attorney to come here to represent it, especially when it is a DOJ case on the table. You don't deny the company its representation.

You guys are desperate to "blame" a Democrat for Jr.'s actions, but it ain't gonna fly this time. Jr. stepped in it and he did it all himself. Admitted it too.

Pure Projection.

The DOJ helped her into the country.....gave her a front-row seat during a congressional hearing 5 days after she pulled this stunt as a reward....and you see no collusion by the Obama Administration.

Let's get real here: Donald Jr is guilty of one thing.....doing his own opposition-research. He should have done it the sneaky way and paid someone to do it for him like Democrats do. This is yet another example of the left criminalizing normal activities during political campaigns.

This is Obama and Hillary's bread and butter. This is what they do. (Although Obama took it to another level and used the NSA to spy on Trump) Yet you have the gall to say op- research is wrong. Without opposition-research no campaign could compete in an election, especially due to the media being so biased in favor of the left.

You want to take away every tool the opposition has and then criticize them for not knowing their shit, then look the other way while Democrats collude with our media and numerous foreign governments as well as the United Nations. This is the worst sort of corruption imaginable yet you can't see it.

Pretty damned pathetic if you ask me.

What's pretty damn pathetic is doesn't matter how she got here what matters is Federal election laws were violated going to foreign adversaries for dirt on an opponent. He admitted he wanted dirt on Hillary. Also pathetic are the ones who said he was setup, if he was he took the bait, Guilty.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Need to ask Obama and Loretta Lynch!
This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.
Later, a series of events between an intermediary for the attorney and the Trump campaign ultimately led to the controversy surrounding the president's eldest son.

[Now here is the really interesting point regarding possible law breaking by Lynch.]
The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya’s permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.

Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team

Now WHERE is all the MSM mania regarding this? Were there LAWS broken? Where was the
frenzy with ABC/CBS/NBC cabal leading off the evening news regarding the Obama administration
laxness regarding this "Russian" INFLUENCE on American Policy!!!!!!

View attachment 138556

You think based on what you said above that the Russian attorney might be in some trouble for doing more than just defending her client? She hightailed it back to Russia, but I wonder how soon it will be before she comes back?

Of course the DOJ is going to allow a company's attorney to come here to represent it, especially when it is a DOJ case on the table. You don't deny the company its representation.

You guys are desperate to "blame" a Democrat for Jr.'s actions, but it ain't gonna fly this time. Jr. stepped in it and he did it all himself. Admitted it too.

/----- DT Jr did nothing wrong. He broke no laws. You got nothing cupcake. View attachment 138565

Federal election laws.

/---- That's kinda vague. Could you be more specific? TIA

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

 

[easyt65]

Federal election laws.

Federal Election Laws were NOT broken, as pointed out when the specific laws were already posted (with links).

According to those laws it is illegal for a candidate or member of the campaign to receive information from a foreign agent and use that information against a political opponent.

According to the Russian Lawyer, Trump Jr, and witnesses at the meeting NO INFORMATION WAS EVER PASSED, AND NO INFORMATION WAS EVER USED AGAINST HILLARY.

That means NO CRIME committed, especially election law.

Another snowflake false narrative shot to hell...

 

[debbiedowner]

Need to ask Obama and Loretta Lynch!
This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.
Later, a series of events between an intermediary for the attorney and the Trump campaign ultimately led to the controversy surrounding the president's eldest son.

[Now here is the really interesting point regarding possible law breaking by Lynch.]
The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya’s permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.

Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team

Now WHERE is all the MSM mania regarding this? Were there LAWS broken? Where was the
frenzy with ABC/CBS/NBC cabal leading off the evening news regarding the Obama administration
laxness regarding this "Russian" INFLUENCE on American Policy!!!!!!

View attachment 138556

You think based on what you said above that the Russian attorney might be in some trouble for doing more than just defending her client? She hightailed it back to Russia, but I wonder how soon it will be before she comes back?

Of course the DOJ is going to allow a company's attorney to come here to represent it, especially when it is a DOJ case on the table. You don't deny the company its representation.

You guys are desperate to "blame" a Democrat for Jr.'s actions, but it ain't gonna fly this time. Jr. stepped in it and he did it all himself. Admitted it too.

/----- DT Jr did nothing wrong. He broke no laws. You got nothing cupcake. View attachment 138565

Federal election laws.

/---- That's kinda vague. Could you be more specific? TIA

The statute in question is 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510 — the law governing foreign contributions to US campaigns. There are two key passages that apply here. This is the first:


A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

The crucial phrase here is “other thing of value,” legal experts tell me. It means that the law extends beyond just cash donations. Foreigners are also banned from providing other kinds of contributions that would be the functional equivalent of a campaign donation, just provided in the form of services rather than goods. Like, say, damaging information the Russian government collected about Hillary Clinton.

 

[Iceweasel]

No American can ever speak with, or do business with, any Russian, Asian, or any other countries people ever!


Lol

Only when they are trying to influence our elections. In fact we can give up our elections, save a whole lot of money, and just put in power those who the Russians select.

Well, the American left tried its' damnedest and they are unwilling to accept their huge loss.

The American left has NEVER met with a foreign power to influence our elections. That honor only belongs to you and your kind.

....and you still refuse to post the evidence. Because you can't. Your kind never does.

 

[brummelben]

No American can ever speak with, or do business with, any Russian, Asian, or any other countries people ever!


Lol

Only when they are trying to influence our elections. In fact we can give up our elections, save a whole lot of money, and just put in power those who the Russians select.

Well, the American left tried its' damnedest and they are unwilling to accept their huge loss.

The American left has NEVER met with a foreign power to influence our elections. That honor only belongs to you and your kind.

....and you still refuse to post the evidence. Because you can't. Your kind never does.

Is this the 10th or 15th ID that you have made the same asinine request.

 

[Iceweasel]

Need to ask Obama and Loretta Lynch!
This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.
Later, a series of events between an intermediary for the attorney and the Trump campaign ultimately led to the controversy surrounding the president's eldest son.

[Now here is the really interesting point regarding possible law breaking by Lynch.]
The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya’s permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.

Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team

Now WHERE is all the MSM mania regarding this? Were there LAWS broken? Where was the
frenzy with ABC/CBS/NBC cabal leading off the evening news regarding the Obama administration
laxness regarding this "Russian" INFLUENCE on American Policy!!!!!!

View attachment 138556

You think based on what you said above that the Russian attorney might be in some trouble for doing more than just defending her client? She hightailed it back to Russia, but I wonder how soon it will be before she comes back?

Of course the DOJ is going to allow a company's attorney to come here to represent it, especially when it is a DOJ case on the table. You don't deny the company its representation.

You guys are desperate to "blame" a Democrat for Jr.'s actions, but it ain't gonna fly this time. Jr. stepped in it and he did it all himself. Admitted it too.

/----- DT Jr did nothing wrong. He broke no laws. You got nothing cupcake. View attachment 138565

Federal election laws.

/---- That's kinda vague. Could you be more specific? TIA

The statute in question is 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510 — the law governing foreign contributions to US campaigns. There are two key passages that apply here. This is the first:


A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

The crucial phrase here is “other thing of value,” legal experts tell me. It means that the law extends beyond just cash donations. Foreigners are also banned from providing other kinds of contributions that would be the functional equivalent of a campaign donation, just provided in the form of services rather than goods. Like, say, damaging information the Russian government collected about Hillary Clinton.

You have evidence that happened with Trump? Or Hillary?

 

[Iceweasel]

No American can ever speak with, or do business with, any Russian, Asian, or any other countries people ever!


Lol

Only when they are trying to influence our elections. In fact we can give up our elections, save a whole lot of money, and just put in power those who the Russians select.

Well, the American left tried its' damnedest and they are unwilling to accept their huge loss.

The American left has NEVER met with a foreign power to influence our elections. That honor only belongs to you and your kind.

....and you still refuse to post the evidence. Because you can't. Your kind never does.

Is this the 10th or 15th ID that you have made the same asinine request.

ID? You make statements you can't back up and they should be left to stand? Nope.

 

[brummelben]

Only when they are trying to influence our elections. In fact we can give up our elections, save a whole lot of money, and just put in power those who the Russians select.

Well, the American left tried its' damnedest and they are unwilling to accept their huge loss.

The American left has NEVER met with a foreign power to influence our elections. That honor only belongs to you and your kind.

....and you still refuse to post the evidence. Because you can't. Your kind never does.

Is this the 10th or 15th ID that you have made the same asinine request.

ID? You make statements you can't back up and they should be left to stand? Nope.

Every statement I make I can back up, asshole. You lie 24/7