SpidermanTuba
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Bern80, I can't read what you are saying.
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Bern80, I can't read what you are saying.
11 State AGs so far are set to challenge. From the CSM:
The comments came after a Sunday night conference call of attorneys general from 11 states, in which most expressed support for legal action to block the law. In addition to Florida and South Carolina, the attorneys general backing legal action were from Alabama, Nebraska, Texas, Pennsylvania, Washington, Utah, North Dakota, and South Dakota. [Editor's note: The original paragraph has been changed to omit a state that will not participate in legal action.]
At the center of the controversy is the bill's inclusion of a federal mandate requiring all Americans to purchase health insurance or face penalties. Opponents say this measure stretches Congresss constitutional power to regulate commerce among the several states beyond any meaningful limits on federal authority. They say Congress is authorized to regulate behavior to protect public safety or welfare, but federal lawmakers overstep the constitutional limits of their power when they begin ordering Americans to purchase certain products.
With this law, the federal government will force citizens to buy health insurance, claiming it has the authority to do so because of its power to regulate interstate commerce, Cuccinelli said. We contend that if a person decides not to buy health insurance, that person by definition is not engaging in commerce, and therefore, is not subject to a federal mandate.
Attorneys general in 11 states poised to challenge healthcare bill / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com
And the WSJ:
Writing at the Washington Post, Georgetown law prof Randy Barnett thinks that the Commerce Clause argument might give opponents of the bill the most ammunition. Writes Barnett:
While Congress has used its taxing power to fund Social Security and Medicare, never before has it used its commerce power to mandate that an individual person engage in an economic transaction with a private company. Regulating the auto industry or paying cash for clunkers is one thing; making everyone buy a Chevy is quite another. Even during World War II, the federal government did not mandate that individual citizens purchase war bonds.
[/QUOTE]While Congress has used its taxing power to fund Social Security and Medicare, never before has it used its commerce power to mandate that an individual person engage in an economic transaction with a private company.
With this law, the federal government will force citizens to buy health insurance, claiming it has the authority to do so because of its power to regulate interstate commerce, Cuccinelli said.
Don't these fucking morons realize that the federal government already requires citizens purchase medicare? You don't think the Justices who hear this crap are going to get a laugh when they ask the question "Where the fuck was your whining in 1965 when Medicare got passed" ?
Are people compelled to purchase Medicaire or is it an option that most people use?
While Congress has used its taxing power to fund Social Security and Medicare, never before has it used its commerce power to mandate that an individual person engage in an economic transaction with a private company.
Doesn't matter. They aren't requiring anyone to buy anything. They are imposing a tax on the income of those without sufficient health coverage. Its no different than taxing smokers.
I still have yet to receive a reasonable answer to this in light of the passage of the health care bill.
One person (spiderman) tried to weasel it into be constitutional under the 16th ammendment 'rationalizing' that since government is granted the power to tax income they can make requirements of the peope as long as they levy an income tax penalty for non-compliance. That of course is rather ludicrous.
Stop whining and buy your god damn health insurance
Don't these fucking morons realize that the federal government already requires citizens purchase medicare? You don't think the Justices who hear this crap are going to get a laugh when they ask the question "Where the fuck was your whining in 1965 when Medicare got passed" ?
Are people compelled to purchase Medicaire or is it an option that most people use?
the take money out of your paycheck...you bought it ....same with you government 401k....
Don't these fucking morons realize that the federal government already requires citizens purchase medicare? You don't think the Justices who hear this crap are going to get a laugh when they ask the question "Where the fuck was your whining in 1965 when Medicare got passed" ?
Are people compelled to purchase Medicaire or is it an option that most people use?
the take money out of your paycheck...you bought it ....same with you government 401k....
Are people compelled to purchase Medicaire or is it an option that most people use?
the take money out of your paycheck...you bought it ....same with you government 401k....
but at least you are buying something with those particular taxes, you are buying a medicare policy for when you are 65 and you are buying an annuity of sorts with the SS retirement.
they are not buying anything, but being taxed for NOT buying something. from a private business...?
they are not buying anything, but being taxed for NOT buying something. from a private business...?
I'm glad you support the public option.
Some of you believe that it is unconstitutional. You are wrong until the Supreme Court says you are right. Unfortunately statute and case law will force even the conservative justices into a 9-0 vote to uphold the health insurance law. I will remind you all of this when that happens.
Some of you believe that it is unconstitutional. You are wrong until the Supreme Court says you are right. Unfortunately statute and case law will force even the conservative justices into a 9-0 vote to uphold the health insurance law. I will remind you all of this when that happens.
I still have yet to receive a reasonable answer to this in light of the passage of the health care bill.
One person (spiderman) tried to weasel it into be constitutional under the 16th ammendment 'rationalizing' that since government is granted the power to tax income they can make requirements of the peope as long as they levy an income tax penalty for non-compliance. That of course is rather ludicrous.
Stop whining and buy your god damn health insurance
If the government is going to force us all to buy insurance I want the government tio force all the fat fucks out there to join a gym and prove to an IRS agent that they work out for an hour a day or else be taxed.
I want the fucking government to force all those fat fucks who eat Twinkies, Oreos, fast food etc to prove they do not eat any of that shit or else be taxed.
If I'm subsidizing you health care I want my money's worth.
Some of you believe that it is unconstitutional. You are wrong until the Supreme Court says you are right. Unfortunately statute and case law will force even the conservative justices into a 9-0 vote to uphold the health insurance law. I will remind you all of this when that happens.
This is the same weak argument that spidey tried to use. It is your contention that whether something is truly constitutional is not dependent on whether the actual Constitution says it is but how a judge interprets it? You understand that that would mean anything and everything is constitutional until the court says otherwise, right? That doesn't seem a bit backwards to you?
Please explain to us why you believe the Supreme Court would unanimously decree that government for the first time ever requiring citizens to make a private purchase would be constitutional.