What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[Bush92]

Thomas Jefferson said it best

He is referring to independence and the British Empire.

Wrong again

He wrote it many years after the revolution

He also wrote the Declaration of Independence. Read it and see what he says about natural rights and the violation of those by the Crown.

Tell us

“Endowed by their Creator with certain new inalianable right...” aka “natural rights. The Declaration is a series of grievances against the tyrannical rule of the barbaric King. He quoted stirring up native groups to attack along the frontier killing men, women, and children. The King not recognizing colonial governments etc.

 

[Bush92]

So far we’ve learned that Daniel thinks “general welfare” should mean we can all own Ferrari’s and eat like kings by staying at home and smoking weed while others bust their ass for us.

I say it would fall within constitutional guidelines if we offered welfare seeking lowlifes a taxpayer bought tent, fishing pole and bus ride to a resource rich forest. Prove me wrong please.

No body thinks that 'General Welfare' means everyone gets a Ferrari or anything close. You seem to suffer from paranoid delusions.

At one time people in this country DID basically go out to 'resource rich forests' and make their own way. We had the Homestead act...whereby the government promoted exactly what your saying. However, there really isn't any significant 'resource rich' forests left that hasn't been bought up and few people have the skills needed to survive that way.

While the vast majority of people that collect from government programs would like to become self sufficient...and many even hold full time jobs that do not pay enough for them to survive, there are some lowlifes that have no intention of ever getting off those programs.

So the real solutions are:

1. For business to pay a living wage to all employees - no one that works for a living should have to collect government checks just to survive.

2. For the private sector to provode 100% employment at reasonable wages and with reasonable benefits.

3. For the few that never want to work, the government should provide some meager income - not for their sake, but so the rest of us don't have to live with beggars and thieves. There should be a HUGE difference between the incomes of working people and those that collect government benefits.

But try not to get too upset about 'welfare seeking lowlifes'. There really aren't that many of them and they only get a tiny portion pf the federal budget.

Worry more about government contractors milking taxpayers royally - they not only live off our tax dollars for doing next to nothing, but they live as billionaires off of your hard work.

"Nobody thinks that everyone should get everything provided for..."

"Except for me".

our general welfare clause is general enough to solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in a market friendly manner; compensation is all that is necessary and proper.

Don’t confuse the Founders as a bunch of socialist wacko’s. They were the richest men in America. Very conservative and very Christian.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a First World economy and a Statue of Liberty; we have no excuse.

 

[Bush92]

Thomas Jefferson said it best

He is referring to independence and the British Empire.

Wrong again

He wrote it many years after the revolution

He also wrote the Declaration of Independence. Read it and see what he says about natural rights and the violation of those by the Crown.

Tell us

He also wrote of the states rights of “nullification” in the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions.

 

[danielpalos]

So far we’ve learned that Daniel thinks “general welfare” should mean we can all own Ferrari’s and eat like kings by staying at home and smoking weed while others bust their ass for us.

I say it would fall within constitutional guidelines if we offered welfare seeking lowlifes a taxpayer bought tent, fishing pole and bus ride to a resource rich forest. Prove me wrong please.

No body thinks that 'General Welfare' means everyone gets a Ferrari or anything close. You seem to suffer from paranoid delusions.

At one time people in this country DID basically go out to 'resource rich forests' and make their own way. We had the Homestead act...whereby the government promoted exactly what your saying. However, there really isn't any significant 'resource rich' forests left that hasn't been bought up and few people have the skills needed to survive that way.

While the vast majority of people that collect from government programs would like to become self sufficient...and many even hold full time jobs that do not pay enough for them to survive, there are some lowlifes that have no intention of ever getting off those programs.

So the real solutions are:

1. For business to pay a living wage to all employees - no one that works for a living should have to collect government checks just to survive.

2. For the private sector to provode 100% employment at reasonable wages and with reasonable benefits.

3. For the few that never want to work, the government should provide some meager income - not for their sake, but so the rest of us don't have to live with beggars and thieves. There should be a HUGE difference between the incomes of working people and those that collect government benefits.

But try not to get too upset about 'welfare seeking lowlifes'. There really aren't that many of them and they only get a tiny portion pf the federal budget.

Worry more about government contractors milking taxpayers royally - they not only live off our tax dollars for doing next to nothing, but they live as billionaires off of your hard work.

"Nobody thinks that everyone should get everything provided for..."

"Except for me".

our general welfare clause is general enough to solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in a market friendly manner; compensation is all that is necessary and proper.

Don’t confuse the Founders as a bunch of socialist wacko’s. They were the richest men in America. Very conservative and very Christian.

Our Constitution is our supreme law of the land. All of our answers are there.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Our Constitution is our supreme law of the land. All of our answers are there.

But is limited in scope and authority.

 

[Bush92]

We have a First World economy and a Statue of Liberty; we have no excuse.

WTF does the Statue of Liberty have to do with anything about this debate. It is a symbol.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We have a First World economy and a Statue of Liberty; we have no excuse.

What does a gift from France have to do with constitutional law?

 

[Bush92]

Our Constitution is our supreme law of the land. All of our answers are there.

But is limited in scope and authority.

Supremacy Clause has limitations, but the High Court continues to expand the “implied powers” of Congress.

 

[Bush92]

there is no interpretation; a literal reading will suffice.

So you don't respect the United States Supreme Court decisions. Nice.

we have a Ninth Amendment; either it is Express or it isn't.

The Ninth Amendment doesn't cancel out the welfare clause. You're confused. Explain how the Ninth Amendment endorses Government run healthcare for everyone.

that is Your misinterpretation, bro.

The power to provide for the general welfare is general, not common.

You brought up the Ninth Amendment. What is the purpose of the Ninth Amendment?

Individual rights...including the implied right to privacy.

 

[Bush92]

Thomas Jefferson said it best

He is referring to independence and the British Empire.

Wrong again

He wrote it many years after the revolution

He also wrote the Declaration of Independence. Read it and see what he says about natural rights and the violation of those by the Crown.

Tell us

Anytime you want to debate the Constitution...bring it on.

 

[danielpalos]

Our Constitution is our supreme law of the land. All of our answers are there.

But is limited in scope and authority.

it is general, not common. it must be more comprehensive than a common power.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a First World economy and a Statue of Liberty; we have no excuse.

WTF does the Statue of Liberty have to do with anything about this debate. It is a symbol.

we get to blame the Right Wing if we have to give it back.

 

[Borillar]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

Obviously, they were talking about tax cuts for the rich.

 

[otto105]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

Tax cuts for the wealthy

 

[otto105]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

Deregulation

 

[otto105]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

The dying breath of a document

 

[otto105]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

Drinking with Squee and the Renee Alumni

 

[otto105]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

Hoping to keep black people at 2/3rds

 

[BS Filter]

So you don't respect the United States Supreme Court decisions. Nice.

we have a Ninth Amendment; either it is Express or it isn't.

The Ninth Amendment doesn't cancel out the welfare clause. You're confused. Explain how the Ninth Amendment endorses Government run healthcare for everyone.

that is Your misinterpretation, bro.

The power to provide for the general welfare is general, not common.

You brought up the Ninth Amendment. What is the purpose of the Ninth Amendment?

Individual rights...including the implied right to privacy.

Yep, and nothing to do with the General welfare clause.