"What did we do to make them so angry at US?"

[Sunshine]

Obviously it's because they feel excluded and we must do more to make them feel included.

Of course! Build a camp fire. They will come sit by it with us and sing Kumbayah!

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Oh for crying out loud why must it be something we did? Why must we, when attacked, flail ourselves looking for our short comings? If living in a rich successful country which was built by the blood and sweat of our grandparents make them hate us there is hardly anything we can do about it.

I refuse to feel bad about myself and my country because these idiots are ..............idiots.

Excellent post. WoW, Freewill! You definitely have your head on straight. Care to help some other folks out here? ha! ha! - Jeri

 

[Sunshine]

wonder if they are contemplating this at the Friday Harvard Afternoon Tea or Happy Hour? That's all we heard when US was being attacked during the Bush years. Drink up 1% Harvard!!

Those "1%" at Harvard ARE ALL LIBERALS LIKE YOU!

You may have a bad memory, but I sure as hell don't!

You are likely correct on that. And for years, I have been completly puzzled by the paradox of wealthy people wanting socialism. But the do. A lot of them.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

It isn't because of anything we did. They hate us because of our freedom. They hate us because we have 2nd amendment rights and so long as we do there won't be any "free for all" on Americans like they have in 3rd world countries on Christians, Jews, Hindus, & other non muslims - where some of the people on this board would go into shock to see some of what goes on.

An excellent movie, I highly suggest to everyone here is Hotel Rwanda. You need to realise that was Muslim Hutus hacking Christian Tutsis to death with machetes. Over one million people hacked to death by machete wielding muslims and your own government hid that truth from you and claimed it was about tribal wars. That wasn't exactly the truth. When the UN told everyone to stand down and let that bloodbath happen? Every nation that is a member of the UN should have walked away. The UN have been catering to the Muslims for years now. Repeatedly targeting Israel as violating resolutions while purposely looking the other way concerning every single Muslim nation. It is time to get out of the UN, people. That is the something we should have done a long time ago. In my opinion. - Jeri note* The UN has repeatedly covered for Muslim atrocities by lowering numbers of those dead. In Rwanda, the claim is 800,000 died. In Sudan we know over 10 million christians have been slaughtered over the years yet they lie about those numbers too. The Sudanese Muslim government had their own janjaweed mililitia on horseback with machetes hacking the breasts off of women in those villages. I saw a video interview in which the Muslim militia guy said on camera the Sudanese government pays us to kill these people and empty the villages. They need the land.

 

[Sunshine]

"Sunni extremists are believed to be behind the cafe bombing, which may be an attempt to destabilize the Shiite-led government. According to The Christian Science Monitor, 'The divide between Sunni and Shiite Iraqis that brought the country to civil war has widened again recently, with many Sunni Iraqis saying the Shiite-led government has discriminated against them since Saddam [Hussein] fell.'”

I think you're pretty close since Sunni and Shia weren't bombing each other in Iraq until we destroyed their country. I think you're confused about us leaving since we have an embassy the size of the Vatican and thousands of hired guns guarding it. Do you really believe Muslims will continue to die at the hands of US weapons without some of them bringing the fight here?

Pre-election violence rocks Baghdad, capped with cafe bombing today - CSMonitor.com

Oh, one more thing

They are killing each other.....

Get it

They hate everyone ( I know this is a hard concept to understand) who ain't THEM

By "they" do you mean Iraqis?
"They" have never killed each other on this scale since their country was formed.
The destruction of their country by an illegal US invasion is why they are killing each other today.
It's a logical consequence of murdering, maiming, and displacing millions of innocent Iraqis.
What part of that don't you get?

Right, it was Saddam who did all the killing. Hundreds of thousands of his own people.

1.Reprisal Against Dujail
On July 8, 1982, Saddam Hussein was visiting the town of Dujail (50 miles north of Baghdad) when a group of Dawa militants shot at his motorcade. In reprisal for this assassination attempt, the entire town was punished. More than 140 fighting-age men were apprehended and never heard from again. Approximately 1,500 other townspeople, including children, were rounded up and taken to prison, where many were tortured. After a year or more in prison, many were exiled to a southern desert camp. The town itself was destroyed; houses were bulldozed and orchards were demolished.

Though Saddam's reprisal against Dujail is considered one of his lesser-known crimes, it has been chosen as the first for which he will be tried.


2.Anfal Campaign
Officially from February 23 to September 6, 1988 (but often thought to extend from March 1987 to May 1989), Saddam Hussein's regime carried out the Anfal (Arabic for "spoils") campaign against the large Kurdish population in northern Iraq. The purpose of the campaign was ostensibly to reassert Iraqi control over the area; however, the real goal was to permanently eliminate the Kurdish problem.

The campaign consisted of eight stages of assault, where up to 200,000 Iraqi troops attacked the area, rounded up civilians, and razed villages. Once rounded up, the civilians were divided into two groups: men from ages of about 13 to 70 and women, children, and elderly men. The men were then shot and buried in mass graves. The women, children, and elderly were taken to relocation camps where conditions were deplorable. In a few areas, especially areas that put up even a little resistance, everyone was killed.

Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled the area, yet it is estimated that up to 182,000 were killed during the Anfal campaign. Many people consider the Anfal campaign an attempt at genocide.


3.Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."


4.Invasion of Kuwait
On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops invaded the country of Kuwait. The invasion was induced by oil and a large war debt that Iraq owed Kuwait. The six-week, Persian Gulf War pushed Iraqi troops out of Kuwait in 1991. As the Iraqi troops retreated, they were ordered to light oil wells on fire. Over 700 oil wells were lit, burning over one billion barrels of oil and releasing dangerous pollutants into the air. Oil pipelines were also opened, releasing 10 million barrels of oil into the Gulf and tainting many water sources. The fires and the oil spill created a huge environmental disaster.


5.Shiite Uprising & the Marsh Arabs
At the end of the Persian Gulf War in 1991, southern Shiites and northern Kurds rebelled against Hussein's regime. In retaliation, Iraq brutally suppressed the uprising, killing thousands of Shiites in southern Iraq.

As supposed punishment for supporting the Shiite rebellion in 1991, Saddam Hussein's regime killed thousands of Marsh Arabs, bulldozed their villages, and systematically ruined their way of life. The Marsh Arabs had lived for thousands of years in the marshlands located in southern Iraq until Iraq built a network of canals, dykes, and dams to divert water away from the marshes. The Marsh Arabs were forced to flee the area, their way of life decimated.

By 2002, satellite images showed only 7 to 10 percent of the marshlands left. Saddam Hussein is blamed for creating an environmental disaster.

Crimes of Saddam Hussein

 

[Esmeralda]

Certainly not in the past, but Christianity has evolved into a religion of the third millennium. Islam, though a more recent religion, is mired in medieval vengeance and hatred. Certainly even an old bitty like yourself could understand that.

Today, now, and over the past decades, we, America, kill, almost on a daily basis, Muslim people, including innoncent people, including women, children and the elderly. Now, not in the past, now. And all your attempts at personal insults prove is that your intellectual ideas alone have no power, so you have to wrap them up in mudballs and sling them wildly. Pathetic.

You come off very much like a stereotypical dingbat old bitty trying to parse her "worldliness" into a deep understanding of global events. I can only go by what you write. If I am wrong, then a thousand pardons.

You come off as someone who has no mature intellectual ability at all and has to bulk up his opinions with mudslinging because they are essentially entirely vapid. Anyone who thinks that the current state of Christianity has evolved into a more sophisticated approach to life is truly without the ability to see below the surface. In fact, it is the most Christian of Americans who are the most violent and primitive, being in favor of vengence and killing to a far greater extent than those less religious. All one has to do is read the threads on this message board to see that. Your argumentative and intelletual skills speak for themselves, and they don't speak well of you. And you make it clear you hate and are intimidated by those who are better thinkers than you are.

 

[Billo_Really]

wonder if they are contemplating this at the Friday Harvard Afternoon Tea or Happy Hour? That's all we heard when US was being attacked during the Bush years. Drink up 1% Harvard!!

Bombing the holy shit out of their country's, destabilizing their democratically elected governments, demonizing their leaders, enforcing draconian sanctions and basically running around the world like the big bully on the block, does not make friends!

 

[Sunshine]

You guys don't understand why Muslim extremists hate America? We kill their people every day and have been doing so for years. We support Israel, a country that kills Muslims nearly everyday and oppresses them every day and has done so for decades.

Give a good reason why they should not hate America.

Because Islam is a religion of peace? ROTFLMAO!!

And Christianity is a religion of peace? Christians are no better.

I'd say they are better based solely on the fact that they allow you to continue breathing.

 

[Mac1958]

Bombing the holy shit out of their country's, destabilizing their democratically elected governments, demonizing their leaders, enforcing draconian sanctions and basically running around the world like the big bully on the block, does not make friends!

Yup, talk about denial. Many folks have somehow convinced themselves that it's our "right" to do all of that.

Maybe it's that "American Exceptionalism" thing, I don't know.

.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yup, talk about denial. Many folks have somehow convinced themselves that it's our "right" to do all of that.

Maybe it's that "American Exceptionalism" thing, I don't know.

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Freedom to these people means a total abscence of responsibility.

 

[peach174]

They hate us and want us dead.
Who?... Muslims.A lot of them.

Why....

Who the fuck knows at this point.

Drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent women and children, occupying their countries and killing more innocents while engaging "insurgents" will never win us any friends. If another country were to occupy the US they'd have a huge "insurgent" problem as well.

This bs about them hating us because of our freedoms is just that......bs

It does not have anything to do with drone strikes.
We have been dealing with Muslim jihadists ever since be became a a nation.

In the late 1700’s it seemed impossible for Muslim states along the Barbary Coast to ignore awkward American merchant vessels traveling through the Mediterranean, no match for the speedy Muslim corsairs. After the War of Independence, the Royal Navy no longer protected shipping from the rebellious American colonies, and piracy became intolerable. After seizing their cargo and scuttling the vessels, the pirates would ransom the ill-fated seamen, or sell them into slavery. It was a lucrative for the pirates, and some Muslim states also dependent on the plunder. The US responded and sent missions to the Barbary states of Tripoli, Algiers, Morocco and Tunis proposing to pay an annual sum to each of the local Muslim warlords for American vessels protection. The amounts paid were equivalent to the billions paid to Muslim states today.

By 1801 it became clear that the policy of appeasement had failed. The Pasha of Tripoli along with other Barbary States demanded larger sums, and when they were not offered piracy resumed. America learned its policy of accommodation only encouraged the Barbary brigands to seize more ships and take more captives. Things were to change with the election of Thomas Jefferson, principal architect of the Declaration of Independence, and an outspoken opponent of the practice of tribute. He argued that any policy of appeasement would fail because, "in conveying weakness, it encouraged further treachery". Jefferson's response to the renewed piracy was to dispatch naval forces. Tripoli responded by declaring war on the United States. For the next two years the U.S. Navy conducted running operations against the Barbary pirates. The American battle cry was "millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute". The fighting during those days saw many acts of heroism that established the U.S. Navy as a force to be reckoned with. In an 1805 action,(now immortalized in the Marine Corps hymn, the USS Constitution supported the landing of Marines on "the shores of Tripoli". The Americans and their allies destroyed the harbor citadel serving as the headquarters for the pirates. For much of the next decade, American merchant shipping passed unmolested through the Mediterranean.

Good policy supported by firm action replaced the foolishness of appeasement in the 19th century, and brought success in America's first war with Middle Eastern terrorism.

Even in today's fight against the modern day "pirates" in Somalia, we must remember these actions, and we must not try to monetarily or politically "appease" organizations or governments which endorse terrorist tactics by religiously motivated groups that commit violence on innocent people; and which oppress and persecute even its own religious and ethnic minorities.

By participating in that, we are doing just as Churchill pointed out when he said, "An appeaser is someone that feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last"; and indeed regardless just by it's very nature, it will eventually, most certainly - "eat you".

Let’s not forget these lessons of history - because in the end, nations paying tribute, are neither respected nor left unmolested.

 

[Esmeralda]

Bombing the holy shit out of their country's, destabilizing their democratically elected governments, demonizing their leaders, enforcing draconian sanctions and basically running around the world like the big bully on the block, does not make friends!

Yup, talk about denial. Many folks have somehow convinced themselves that it's our "right" to do all of that.

Maybe it's that "American Exceptionalism" thing, I don't know.

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It is indeed very odd that so many Americans think it is perfectly okay and justified for our government to kill so many people in other countries, but if someone kills anyone in our country, they are shocked and offended beyond measure.

 

[Sunshine]

Certainly not in the past, but Christianity has evolved into a religion of the third millennium. Islam, though a more recent religion, is mired in medieval vengeance and hatred. Certainly even an old bitty like yourself could understand that.

Today, now, and over the past decades, we, America, kill, almost on a daily basis, Muslim people, including innoncent people, including women, children and the elderly. Now, not in the past, now. And all your attempts at personal insults prove is that your intellectual ideas alone have no power, so you have to wrap them up in mudballs and sling them wildly. Pathetic.

You come off very much like a stereotypical dingbat old bitty trying to parse her "worldliness" into a deep understanding of global events. I can only go by what you write. If I am wrong, then a thousand pardons.

Her avatar is an almost perfect depiction of her:

Now when she shoves that head up her ass, the picture will be complete.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"What did we do to make them so angry at US?"

That's all we heard when US was being attacked during the Bush years.

You're (obviously) referring-to Bush-fans....not the most History-able folks, in the U.S.​

Blood & Oil​

"In the Middle East, politics and the incessant drumbeat of war, ultimately have everything to do with a substance more valuable than gold: Oil.

A century ago, the map looked much different. There was no Iraq, no Jordan, no Israel, no Lebanon. The Ottoman Empire, stretching from the Balkans to North Africa, enveloped much of the region. Powerful, industrialized European nations with empires of their own — especially Great Britain — had a keen interest in the Middle East.

Britain had already seized the southwestern tip of the Arabian peninsula from the Ottoman Empire and forced the rulers of small territories along the Persian Gulf to sign treaties placing their foreign affairs in British hands. Britain backed Ibn Saud, whose family had been the traditional leaders of a fundamentalist Islamic sect, in his bid to become the ruler of a small peninsular kingdom.

Britain’s goal was to safeguard the sea route (through the Suez Canal) to India, then a valuable part of its worldwide empire. To head off the Russian empire’s advances southward, Britain signed a treaty with Russia in 1907 that divided Iran (Persia) into three zones, one British, one Russian, one neutral — without the Iranian government’s knowledge or involvement.

Britain was already interested in oil, Iranian and otherwise. Today’s British Petroleum can be traced back to the Anglo-Persian Oil Co., founded in 1909. The British government soon acquired a controlling interest in the company.

Thanks to backing from the U.S. government, Exxon and Mobil together gained a guarantee of one-fourth of the oil produced. The British-controlled Iraqi government received just four shillings per ton of oil. Exxon’s profits per barrel between 1934 and 1939 were more than twice the royalty paid to Iraq.

The oil rush that began in Iraq soon embroiled the Arabian peninsula. Standard Oil of California (Chevron) gained the Bahrain concession on the Persian Gulf in 1929. Four years later, Chevron outbid the Iraq (formerly Turkish) Petroleum Co. to obtain a 60-year concession for Saudi Arabia’s oil — for $250,000 in golden coins. In 1933 Gulf Oil and British Petroleum agreed on a 50-50 joint venture that controlled Kuwaiti oil. In 1936, Chevron joined with Texaco to found the Arab-American Oil Co. (Aramco) to better exploit Arabian oil reserves.

These deals began the process that would lead to the U.S. replacing Britain as the dominant power in the region."

*

1953 Coup In Iran​

"The "28 Mordad" coup, as it is known by its Persian date, was a watershed for Iran, for the Middle East and for the standing of the United States in the region. The joint U.S.-British operation ended Iran's drive to assert sovereign control over its own resources and helped put an end to a vibrant chapter in the history of the country's nationalist and democratic movements. These consequences resonated with dramatic effect in later years. When the Shah finally fell in 1979, memories of the U.S. intervention in 1953, which made possible the monarch's subsequent, and increasingly unpopular, 25-reign intensified the anti-American character of the revolution in the minds of many Iranians."

 

[Sunshine]

Today, now, and over the past decades, we, America, kill, almost on a daily basis, Muslim people, including innoncent people, including women, children and the elderly. Now, not in the past, now. And all your attempts at personal insults prove is that your intellectual ideas alone have no power, so you have to wrap them up in mudballs and sling them wildly. Pathetic.

You come off very much like a stereotypical dingbat old bitty trying to parse her "worldliness" into a deep understanding of global events. I can only go by what you write. If I am wrong, then a thousand pardons.

You come off as someone who has no mature intellectual ability at all and has to bulk up his opinions with mudslinging because they are essentially entirely vapid. Anyone who thinks that the current state of Christianity has evolved into a more sophisticated approach to life is truly without the ability to see below the surface. In fact, it is the most Christian of Americans who are the most violent and primitive, being in favor of vengence and killing to a far greater extent than those less religious. All one has to do is read the threads on this message board to see that. Your argumentative and intelletual skills speak for themselves, and they don't speak well of you. And you make it clear you hate and are intimidated by those who are better thinkers than you are.

 

[Meathead]

Today, now, and over the past decades, we, America, kill, almost on a daily basis, Muslim people, including innoncent people, including women, children and the elderly. Now, not in the past, now. And all your attempts at personal insults prove is that your intellectual ideas alone have no power, so you have to wrap them up in mudballs and sling them wildly. Pathetic.

You come off very much like a stereotypical dingbat old bitty trying to parse her "worldliness" into a deep understanding of global events. I can only go by what you write. If I am wrong, then a thousand pardons.

You come off as someone who has no mature intellectual ability at all and has to bulk up his opinions with mudslinging because they are essentially entirely vapid. Anyone who thinks that the current state of Christianity has evolved into a more sophisticated approach to life is truly without the ability to see below the surface. In fact, it is the most Christian of Americans who are the most violent and primitive, being in favor of vengence and killing to a far greater extent than those less religious. All one has to do is read the threads on this message board to see that. Your argumentative and intelletual skills speak for themselves, and they don't speak well of you. And you make it clear you hate and are intimidated by those who are better thinkers than you are.

Ok, now my take.

You are an older woman who no one takes seriously not only because of a significant lack of intellect, but of ridiculous beliefs like those above. You think you might be able to get the respect that you think you deserve in an incognito forum such as this. Still, what is apparent is an inadequacy that cannot be disguised. The old saw about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is poignant here.

Mind you, I am not calling you a sow, just the ear.

 

[Katzndogz]

All these reasons. Some of them are good reasons too. But none reach nearly the understanding of why they hate us so much. Listen to some of their propaganda, what they tell one another about us. That might turn a light on. Why do muslim countries put American tourists in their prisons? It's not because the tourists support Israel, or their countries are being occupied or bombed. It's because a couple kissed in public, or a woman showed too much skin. Under the Taliban rule there was no death penalty for killing another muslim, it was for listening to music, or a woman being in the company of a man not her husband or father. Americans have to find reasons that the Americans understand. The American hates Israel, so they can understand muslims hating Israel. Americans can understand how angry it would make them to have their country bombed, so that's it! It must be because we are bombing their country. We don't bomb Belgium, or Germany. We don't even bomb North Korea. Just those countries sending human bombs over here to bomb us.

We refuse to accept Allah. We are an evil people full of immorality and iniquity.

 

[georgephillip]

really

google al-Anfal Campaign sometime

Where did Saddam get the precursors for his poison gas and the helicopters used to apply it?
Same answer: the greatest purveyor of violence on the planet.

"Writer Joost R. Hiltermann has said the United States government and U.S. State Department was particularly important in helping their then ally the Saddam Hussein government in avoiding any serious censure for the campaign and in particular the attack on rebels and civilians in the city of Halabja. Hiltermann writes; 'The deliberate American prevarication on Halabja was the logical, although probably undesired, outcome of a pronounced six-year tilt toward Iraq, seen as a bulwark against the perceived threat posed by Iran's zealous brand of politicized Islam."

Al-Anfal Campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Frans van Anraat, 64, was sentenced to 15 years in prison in December 2005 for selling tons of precursor chemicals that were made into mustard gas and nerve gas unleashed on Kurdish villages in northern Iraq in 1987-88.

BBC NEWS | Europe | Killing of Iraq Kurds 'genocide'

Your link:

"The 63-year-old (van Anraat) was arrested in 1989 in Italy at the request of the US Government."

My link:

"Reagan took the first step in November 1983 when he removed Iraq from the U.S. government's official list of 'nations that support international terrorism.' That opened the door to full diplomatic and economic cooperation between Iraq and the United States."

Do you suppose any of the profits found their way to Wall Street?
Maybe Rummy should be serving time too?

 

[Billo_Really]

It does not have anything to do with drone strikes.

You don't have a fuckin' clue as to what you're talking about. You haven't lived in an area where predator drones are constantly flying overhead. Where you live 24/7 with the thought that at any moment, your life could be over. You could be doing something as simple as going to the store and BAM!, you get hit with a missle. 8 women were out collecting firewood and were blown to bits by a drone.

That pisses people off a lot more than a way some people worship.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

because we are alive​

Ah, yes....They hate us for our freedom.​