What do the neo-Zionists believe will happen?

[Roudy]

I'm being very honest and frank. In one to two generations the West Bank will fall both demographically and geographically under total Israeli control. That's the plan.

I think we are all aware of "the plan" to illegally annex the WB...

The 'Greater Israel' plan....

Times have changed Roodboy, times have moved on since WWII...

Expansionist ideas, similar to those of Adolf Hitler, are not tolerated in the 21st century!

It's land that was allocated to be part of Israel in the first place. Out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire 99% of the land became Arab Muslim states. So it's the Arabs who were allies with Adolf Hitler that wanted to commit genocide on the Jews in their own hokyland, and had expansionist goals of eliminating the only non Muslim / Jewish state in the ME.

Yes, times have indeed changed, as we can see the Jewish population in the West Bank continues to grow rapidly and is on track to becoming the majority in about two generations. And that's what scaring the crap out of the PaliNazi supporters.

It's land that was allocated to be part of Israel in the first place.​

You said it. now prove it.

What, prove it for the millionth time? Are you denying that the land was under British control, and was designated to be the future homeland of the Jews, and approved and voted by the UN as such?

You're like one of these dogs that keeps chasing its tail. Israel was established in 1948 and it has been a strong, vibrant, democratic nation. The Arabs have been trying to commit genocide on the Jews in their own holy land and destroy the Jewish state from the get-go, it didn't happen and it ain't never gonna happen. Period. How the "Palestinians" do from here on depends entirely on their behavior, decisions they make as a people, and leadership. And I can tell you that based on their record, the future doesn't look too well for them.

But on the bright side you can have the Islamic terrorist-istan called Gaza to yourself.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm being very honest and frank. In one to two generations the West Bank will fall both demographically and geographically under total Israeli control. That's the plan.

I think we are all aware of "the plan" to illegally annex the WB...

The 'Greater Israel' plan....

Times have changed Roodboy, times have moved on since WWII...

Expansionist ideas, similar to those of Adolf Hitler, are not tolerated in the 21st century!

It's land that was allocated to be part of Israel in the first place. Out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire 99% of the land became Arab Muslim states. So it's the Arabs who were allies with Adolf Hitler that wanted to commit genocide on the Jews in their own hokyland, and had expansionist goals of eliminating the only non Muslim / Jewish state in the ME.

Yes, times have indeed changed, as we can see the Jewish population in the West Bank continues to grow rapidly and is on track to becoming the majority in about two generations. And that's what scaring the crap out of the PaliNazi supporters.

It's land that was allocated to be part of Israel in the first place.​

You said it. now prove it.

What, prove it for the millionth time? Are you denying that the land was under British control, and was designated to be the future homeland of the Jews, and approved and voted by the UN as such?

You're like one of these dogs that keeps chasing its tail. Israel was established in 1948 and it has been a strong, vibrant, democratic nation. The Arabs have been trying to commit genocide on the Jews in their own holy land and destroy the Jewish state from the get-go, it didn't happen and it ain't never gonna happen. Period. How the "Palestinians" do from here on depends entirely on their behavior, decisions they make as a people, and leadership. And I can tell you that based on their record, the future doesn't look too well for them.

But on the bright side you can have the Islamic terrorist-istan called Gaza to yourself.

Still no proof, huh?

 

[Roudy]

Palestine mandate designated the land to be future homeland of the Jews, and to be ruled by Jews, look it up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine mandate designated the land to be future homeland of the Jews, and to be ruled by Jews, look it up.

Where does it say that the land was given to the Jews.

 

[Roudy]

Designated as the "future homeland of the Jewish people, to be ruled and administered by the Jewish people." Voted and approved in the UN by 161 out of 193 nations. So, you think that means they gave the land to the Arabs?

Look, get over it, the Jewish people are in charge now. The topic of this thread is "what do neo Zionists believe will happen". The Israelis handed Gaza over to the Palestinians, the fruits of which did not bear any peace or prosperity, nor did it make any progress towards it. In fact it was a step in the wrong direction. So, based on those results, the plan is now to demographically conquer and therefore annex the West Bank in a few generations. And there's nothing anybody can do about it. It's happening before our very own eyes, and that's what's freaking you guys out, the window is getting smaller and smaller for a viable state, and eventually it will be closed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Designated as the "future homeland of the Jewish people, to be ruled and administered by the Jewish people." Voted and approved in the UN by 161 out of 193 nations. So, you think that means they gave the land to the Arabs?

Look, get over it, the Jewish people are in charge now. The topic of this thread is "what do neo Zionists believe will happen". The Israelis handed Gaza over to the Palestinians, the fruits of which did not bear any peace or prosperity, nor did it make any progress towards it. In fact it was a step in the wrong direction. So, based on those results, the plan is now to demographically conquer and therefore annex the West Bank in a few generations. And there's nothing anybody can do about it. It's happening before our very own eyes, and that's what's freaking you guys out, the window is getting smaller and smaller for a viable state, and eventually it will be closed.

Actually it did not give any land to anyone. UN General Assembly Resolution 181 recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine. The Security Council did not partition Palestine.

 

[theliq]

entire world embraced when Israel was established in 1948

Wow, you make up such shite Roodboy!

Be specific instead of flaming and trolling. In 1948...Most of the world with the exception of Arab Muslims was happy that the jews are finally back home in their ancestral homeland.

Be specific and provide links to all of those countries that were "happy" about the creation of Israel!

All the countries that voted for it in the UN in 1948.

161 out of 193, voted for the creation of the state of Israel.

Don't be silly,you lobbied and bought votes big time,plus most of Europe wanted rid of the their Jewish "problem".....when quoting figures at least be honest about them Roudy.steve

 

[theliq]

Wow, you make up such shite Roodboy!

Be specific instead of flaming and trolling. In 1948...Most of the world with the exception of Arab Muslims was happy that the jews are finally back home in their ancestral homeland.

Be specific and provide links to all of those countries that were "happy" about the creation of Israel!

All the countries that voted for it in the UN in 1948.

161 out of 193, voted for the creation of the state of Israel.

Too bad resolution 181 flopped and was never implemented.

All of the bribes, threats, and arm twisting to get countries to vote yes was for naught.

Yeah Arabs got their butts kicked by a bunch of rag tag Jews. Can't say the Arabs didn't have what was coming I got to them in the last 70 years. Their desire to commit genocide upon the Jews never really stopped.

Jews were not "Rag Tags" Roudy but very clever,the ones negotiating for a Jewish homeland.steve

 

[Elvis Obama]

Designated as the "future homeland of the Jewish people, to be ruled and administered by the Jewish people." Voted and approved in the UN by 161 out of 193 nations. So, you think that means they gave the land to the Arabs?

Look, get over it, the Jewish people are in charge now. The topic of this thread is "what do neo Zionists believe will happen". The Israelis handed Gaza over to the Palestinians, the fruits of which did not bear any peace or prosperity, nor did it make any progress towards it. In fact it was a step in the wrong direction. So, based on those results, the plan is now to demographically conquer and therefore annex the West Bank in a few generations. And there's nothing anybody can do about it. It's happening before our very own eyes, and that's what's freaking you guys out, the window is getting smaller and smaller for a viable state, and eventually it will be closed.

Actually it did not give any land to anyone. UN General Assembly Resolution 181 recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine. The Security Council did not partition Palestine.

No, they did it. They did what the Brits could not do. As has been noted, they did it by a vote of 161 to 32. Do you think those nations didn't know what they were voting for? All the Palestinians had to do, to grab their slice of the pie, was to say "We're a state!" Instead they launched a war, with Egypt and Syria helpin' out their stateless buds. All that work to neatly partition that worthless chunk of desert, and the Arabs done went and spoiled it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Designated as the "future homeland of the Jewish people, to be ruled and administered by the Jewish people." Voted and approved in the UN by 161 out of 193 nations. So, you think that means they gave the land to the Arabs?

Look, get over it, the Jewish people are in charge now. The topic of this thread is "what do neo Zionists believe will happen". The Israelis handed Gaza over to the Palestinians, the fruits of which did not bear any peace or prosperity, nor did it make any progress towards it. In fact it was a step in the wrong direction. So, based on those results, the plan is now to demographically conquer and therefore annex the West Bank in a few generations. And there's nothing anybody can do about it. It's happening before our very own eyes, and that's what's freaking you guys out, the window is getting smaller and smaller for a viable state, and eventually it will be closed.

Actually it did not give any land to anyone. UN General Assembly Resolution 181 recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine. The Security Council did not partition Palestine.

No, they did it. They did what the Brits could not do. As has been noted, they did it by a vote of 161 to 32. Do you think those nations didn't know what they were voting for? All the Palestinians had to do, to grab their slice of the pie, was to say "We're a state!" Instead they launched a war, with Egypt and Syria helpin' out their stateless buds. All that work to neatly partition that worthless chunk of desert, and the Arabs done went and spoiled it.

It wasn't just a worthless chunk of desert. It was the home of a million people whose families had lived there for hundreds of years.

Why should they be content with one group of foreigners giving their homeland to another group of foreigners.

What other people in the world would accept that? What would the people in the US do if the UN gave away half of their country?

 

[theliq]

Designated as the "future homeland of the Jewish people, to be ruled and administered by the Jewish people." Voted and approved in the UN by 161 out of 193 nations. So, you think that means they gave the land to the Arabs?

Look, get over it, the Jewish people are in charge now. The topic of this thread is "what do neo Zionists believe will happen". The Israelis handed Gaza over to the Palestinians, the fruits of which did not bear any peace or prosperity, nor did it make any progress towards it. In fact it was a step in the wrong direction. So, based on those results, the plan is now to demographically conquer and therefore annex the West Bank in a few generations. And there's nothing anybody can do about it. It's happening before our very own eyes, and that's what's freaking you guys out, the window is getting smaller and smaller for a viable state, and eventually it will be closed.

Actually it did not give any land to anyone. UN General Assembly Resolution 181 recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine. The Security Council did not partition Palestine.

No, they did it. They did what the Brits could not do. As has been noted, they did it by a vote of 161 to 32. Do you think those nations didn't know what they were voting for? All the Palestinians had to do, to grab their slice of the pie, was to say "We're a state!" Instead they launched a war, with Egypt and Syria helpin' out their stateless buds. All that work to neatly partition that worthless chunk of desert, and the Arabs done went and spoiled it.

Trouble is Elvis it was NEVER the Jews Pie but the Palestinians.....none of this area of land was a "WORTHLESS CHUNK OF DESERT" but the Palestinians were self sufficient and an Exporter of Grains,Cereals,Fruits(eg Jaffa Oranges),Olives/Oil,Wheat and so on...........even in 1870's the French President,thanked the Palestinians for their donation of Wheat which prevented the starvation people of Southern France at the time.

Agriculture was booming under the Palestinians......somehow the Zionists conned Guys like you stating that it was a Desert and Jews brought it to life......but Zionists are World renown BULLSHIT LIARS......as most of us know........I suggest you learn your History and Geography,before Embaressing yourself in future

Welcome to USMB...steve

 

[Elvis Obama]

I am getting a little tired of presenting fact. I am now curious to understand what our resident Zionists believe will happen, or hope will happen, in the territory now controlled by Jews in Israel, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.

Do they believe that Jews will be able to rule over all the Gentiles now under their control indefinitely?

Do they believe that they will be able to disengage from Gaza and rule over the rest of the Gentiles indefinitely?

Do they believe that they will be able to evict, or otherwise eliminate, all the Gentiles now under their control and rule an exclusively Jewish population indefinitely.

Any other solution.

It's unfortunate that you choose to present some worthwhile questions in such an inflammatory manner.

Zionist is a term that makes no sense in a modern context. Neo-Zionist makes even less sense. I acknowledge that there are anti-Zionists, people who have never recognized Israel's right to exist and who would dance with joy if it were destroyed.

What I hope will happen is simple. The two sides negotiate in good faith and share their worthless slices of desert in peace and tranquility. What will happen? Nothing. There's nothing to happen. Settlements are irrelevant. Israel has shown its willingness to dismantle settlements. What good did it do? They've shown a willingness to cede land. What good did it do?

So they've settled into a strategy of kicking butt and dividing their enemy to weaken them. Meanwhile, the demographic time-bomb keeps ticking away, so the status quo cannot possibly be maintained for too long.

 

[Elvis Obama]

Designated as the "future homeland of the Jewish people, to be ruled and administered by the Jewish people." Voted and approved in the UN by 161 out of 193 nations. So, you think that means they gave the land to the Arabs?

Look, get over it, the Jewish people are in charge now. The topic of this thread is "what do neo Zionists believe will happen". The Israelis handed Gaza over to the Palestinians, the fruits of which did not bear any peace or prosperity, nor did it make any progress towards it. In fact it was a step in the wrong direction. So, based on those results, the plan is now to demographically conquer and therefore annex the West Bank in a few generations. And there's nothing anybody can do about it. It's happening before our very own eyes, and that's what's freaking you guys out, the window is getting smaller and smaller for a viable state, and eventually it will be closed.

Actually it did not give any land to anyone. UN General Assembly Resolution 181 recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine. The Security Council did not partition Palestine.

No, they did it. They did what the Brits could not do. As has been noted, they did it by a vote of 161 to 32. Do you think those nations didn't know what they were voting for? All the Palestinians had to do, to grab their slice of the pie, was to say "We're a state!" Instead they launched a war, with Egypt and Syria helpin' out their stateless buds. All that work to neatly partition that worthless chunk of desert, and the Arabs done went and spoiled it.

It wasn't just a worthless chunk of desert. It was the home of a million people whose families had lived there for hundreds of years.

Why should they be content with one group of foreigners giving their homeland to another group of foreigners.

What other people in the world would accept that? What would the people in the US do if the UN gave away half of their country?

Why should they be content? No reason I can think of. As far as accepting it goes, well that runs rather contrary to human nature. The strong will wage war, the weak will engage in terrorism and the completely powerless will just sit down and cry.

Not all peoples are the same. Fundamentally, of course they are, but culture is a different matter. Once we created the modern nation, all the peoples of the world wanted one for themselves. Not everyone was successful. The Germans unified into a nation, and so did the Italians. The Indians struggled to achieve it and partially succeeded. The Arabs tried to do it and were very unsuccessful. The Brits and French and Russians carved them up as they saw fit. Were they content? Of course not. Did they have a choice? No.

The Palestinians did not lose half their country. They failed to get a nation. They refused it. Their reason was not because they were defending their ancestral homeland. It was religious motives, not territorial, that drove them. They still do and that won't change for a very long time. They cannot compromise on Jerusalem. Ever. Israel can.

 

[Humanity]

Already discussed this. West Bank population of Jews is growing three times faster than everywhere else, and Muslim population compared to Jews is dropping.

In one to two generations Israel's annexation of the West Bank will be a formality.

Ah yes, those illegal settlers...

Annexation of any kind will lead to BIG problems for Israel!

What exactly makes the settlers illegal?

The fact they are settlers and they are illegal?!

What makes them illegal, exactly?

"The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal,[11] and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"

Israeli settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

Designated as the "future homeland of the Jewish people, to be ruled and administered by the Jewish people." Voted and approved in the UN by 161 out of 193 nations. So, you think that means they gave the land to the Arabs?

Look, get over it, the Jewish people are in charge now. The topic of this thread is "what do neo Zionists believe will happen". The Israelis handed Gaza over to the Palestinians, the fruits of which did not bear any peace or prosperity, nor did it make any progress towards it. In fact it was a step in the wrong direction. So, based on those results, the plan is now to demographically conquer and therefore annex the West Bank in a few generations. And there's nothing anybody can do about it. It's happening before our very own eyes, and that's what's freaking you guys out, the window is getting smaller and smaller for a viable state, and eventually it will be closed.

Actually it did not give any land to anyone. UN General Assembly Resolution 181 recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine. The Security Council did not partition Palestine.

No, they did it. They did what the Brits could not do. As has been noted, they did it by a vote of 161 to 32. Do you think those nations didn't know what they were voting for? All the Palestinians had to do, to grab their slice of the pie, was to say "We're a state!" Instead they launched a war, with Egypt and Syria helpin' out their stateless buds. All that work to neatly partition that worthless chunk of desert, and the Arabs done went and spoiled it.

It wasn't just a worthless chunk of desert. It was the home of a million people whose families had lived there for hundreds of years.

Why should they be content with one group of foreigners giving their homeland to another group of foreigners.

What other people in the world would accept that? What would the people in the US do if the UN gave away half of their country?

Why should they be content? No reason I can think of. As far as accepting it goes, well that runs rather contrary to human nature. The strong will wage war, the weak will engage in terrorism and the completely powerless will just sit down and cry.

Not all peoples are the same. Fundamentally, of course they are, but culture is a different matter. Once we created the modern nation, all the peoples of the world wanted one for themselves. Not everyone was successful. The Germans unified into a nation, and so did the Italians. The Indians struggled to achieve it and partially succeeded. The Arabs tried to do it and were very unsuccessful. The Brits and French and Russians carved them up as they saw fit. Were they content? Of course not. Did they have a choice? No.

The Palestinians did not lose half their country. They failed to get a nation. They refused it. Their reason was not because they were defending their ancestral homeland. It was religious motives, not territorial, that drove them. They still do and that won't change for a very long time. They cannot compromise on Jerusalem. Ever. Israel can.

They failed to get a nation. They refused it.​

You are new here and the first thing you do is regurgitate Israel propaganda.

BTW, welcome to the board.

 

[Lipush]

You made a specific comment...back it up or go away.

Lol no I made a very non-specific comment. Zionist Jews believe, like most religious zealots, that magical sky magic will take care of their problems in the end. Which is what this thread is all about.

Nah, this thread is about mocking a whole community comparing it to the Nazis. There is no invite to real discussion there. Which is a sahame, since in itself, this discussion could prove useful when not manageble by trollism

I've read and heard enough about Zionist Trolls to last me a lifetime..Thanks all the same...SAY NO TO ZIONIST TERRORIST BILGE

In other words, you like to listen to the voices in your own head instead of recognizing that there are people with different opinions.

Figures.

No Lips only the Self Opinionated Zionist Voices....who do certainly have different views indeed.........but nothing I would have anything to do with as I am not a Criminal

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[Lipush]

Already discussed this. West Bank population of Jews is growing three times faster than everywhere else, and Muslim population compared to Jews is dropping.

In one to two generations Israel's annexation of the West Bank will be a formality.

Ah yes, those illegal settlers...

Annexation of any kind will lead to BIG problems for Israel!

What exactly makes the settlers illegal?

The fact they are settlers and they are illegal?!

What makes them illegal, exactly?

"The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal,[11] and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"

Israeli settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, the international community believes that the Israeli government is the one acting illegal letting the Jews settle in there. The settlers themselves are not illegal, they're obeying the law of their land. you need to realize the huge difference there.

 

[Humanity]

Ah yes, those illegal settlers...

Annexation of any kind will lead to BIG problems for Israel!

What exactly makes the settlers illegal?

The fact they are settlers and they are illegal?!

What makes them illegal, exactly?

"The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal,[11] and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"

Israeli settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, the international community believes that the Israeli government is the one acting illegal letting the Jews settle in there. The settlers themselves are not illegal, they're obeying the law of their land. you need to realize the huge difference there.

Oh Lipush....

You should know where I stand by now...

I do realise that there is a difference between the Jewish people and the Israeli Government!

That, for me, is the whole point!

I am NOT anti-Jewish, I'm not even anti-Israel, however, I, like you, cannot support the views and actions of the Israeli government!

In the same way that MOST politics have no real connection to the people!

Do I support every decision my government makes? No of course not!

I find it a shame that there are not more people who can differentiate between people and government!

No, I am not anti-Palestinian, but I am anti-Hamas!

It's not rocket science... Though looking at some posts here by the dimwitted you would think it's some unsolvable quantum physics theorem!

It's not about Jewish people, it's not about Palestinian people... It's ALL about the leadership of those people...

 

[Lipush]

What exactly makes the settlers illegal?

The fact they are settlers and they are illegal?!

What makes them illegal, exactly?

"The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal,[11] and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"

Israeli settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, the international community believes that the Israeli government is the one acting illegal letting the Jews settle in there. The settlers themselves are not illegal, they're obeying the law of their land. you need to realize the huge difference there.

Oh Lipush....

You should know where I stand by now...

I do realise that there is a difference between the Jewish people and the Israeli Government!

That, for me, is the whole point!

I am NOT anti-Jewish, I'm not even anti-Israel, however, I, like you, cannot support the views and actions of the Israeli government!

In the same way that MOST politics have no real connection to the people!

Do I support every decision my government makes? No of course not!

I find it a shame that there are not more people who can differentiate between people and government!

No, I am not anti-Palestinian, but I am anti-Hamas!

It's not rocket science... Though looking at some posts here by the dimwitted you would think it's some unsolvable quantum physics theorem!

It's not about Jewish people, it's not about Palestinian people... It's ALL about the leadership of those people...

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, so I'll explain myself again.

For years, the Israeli government was viewed and rules by the Israeli right. Since 1967 the government tolerated, not to say pushed, Israelis to settle in Judea and Samaria. Open fields, cheap housing, and religious belief drive the Israeli Jews to sit there. In the Israeli law those people are viewed as Israelis, they have blue ID and they obey the state law. STATE law.

International law, Geneva convention, those address the Israeli government, and it is which should respect them. The settlers are restricted under the Israeli law, and since the Israeli law see settlers as legal, they ARE legal. You say they are not based on laws which for starters are not made for civilians, but government. If you want, call the government 'illegal', but the settlers are pure legal, since they obey the state law which tolerated and gains from them being there.

 

[Roudy]

Be specific instead of flaming and trolling. In 1948...Most of the world with the exception of Arab Muslims was happy that the jews are finally back home in their ancestral homeland.

Be specific and provide links to all of those countries that were "happy" about the creation of Israel!

All the countries that voted for it in the UN in 1948.

161 out of 193, voted for the creation of the state of Israel.

Too bad resolution 181 flopped and was never implemented.

All of the bribes, threats, and arm twisting to get countries to vote yes was for naught.

Yeah Arabs got their butts kicked by a bunch of rag tag Jews. Can't say the Arabs didn't have what was coming I got to them in the last 70 years. Their desire to commit genocide upon the Jews never really stopped.

Jews were not "Rag Tags" Roudy but very clever,the ones negotiating for a Jewish homeland.steve

They were rag tags Jews fighting a group of established Arab states with established armies.