What exactly do republicans have to offer blacks?

[Ghost of a Rider]

So then, the guy who spit on me was racist after all, contrary to what IM2 says that blacks can't be racist?

Thats silly talk. There are a whole host of reasons that could explain why you got spit on. The primary one being you said or did something racist.

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

Not really sure why you think we disagree or why its important to you if its true?

This question is called a informal fallacy. Tidy it up if you want a serious answer.

Since you haven't been able to figure it out, my point is that it is more important to you guys to make whites wrong than it is to come to agreement between yourselves on what exactly makes whites wrong.

 

[Asclepias]

Thats silly talk. There are a whole host of reasons that could explain why you got spit on. The primary one being you said or did something racist.

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

And what? We are supposed agree on everything?

Nope. That's not my point. The point is that the two of you disagree on a fundamental aspect of racial issues: the ability or possibility of blacks being racist. Now, if I were any less jaded than I am about how some blacks approach racial issues, I would wonder why this point never came up between you. But, being as jaded as I am from debating the two of you, I know exactly why it never came up.

You want to make a claim in order to build straw men based on false equivalences. But like I said, for you to even try making blacks racist, you have to deny whites have a continuing 400 year practice of racist behavior and that what blacks are doing is a reaction to that behavior.

How do you know if we have never discussed this point before? Who told you we disagree? If we do disagree what made you think its something fundamental?

His list of prepared talking points probably.....when they don't actually read and understand the point they usually use them like a dull butter knife on raw meat.

Makes sense. Ghost is trying to score internet points on some perceived inconsistency the thinks he has found. I know he needs some points but this one isnt working.

 

[IM2]

Thats silly talk. There are a whole host of reasons that could explain why you got spit on. The primary one being you said or did something racist.

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

Not really sure why you think we disagree or why its important to you if its true?

This question is called a informal fallacy. Tidy it up if you want a serious answer.

Since you haven't been able to figure it out, my point is that it is more important to you guys to make whites wrong than it is to come to agreement between yourselves on what exactly makes whites wrong.

Wrong. We know what makes whites like you wrong. White racism. You are here trying to make up a equivalent racism from blacks that just does not exist.

 

[Asclepias]

Thats silly talk. There are a whole host of reasons that could explain why you got spit on. The primary one being you said or did something racist.

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

Not really sure why you think we disagree or why its important to you if its true?

This question is called a informal fallacy. Tidy it up if you want a serious answer.

Since you haven't been able to figure it out, my point is that it is more important to you guys to make whites wrong than it is to come to agreement between yourselves on what exactly makes whites wrong.

We dont have to agree on what makes whites wrong. Who told you we had to agree? IM2 is a different person than me. He most likely has different experiences with whites than I do as a result. Of course we share some experiences and conclusions but I am sure there is more than one thing we dont agree on. Besides we dont have to make whites wrong. Thats already a fact.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

You and people like IM2 spew this nonsense about how only people who own the resources, systems or have the authority can practice racism and yet you call me racist without knowing whether I have any resources or authority or anything. Funny how that works.

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

So then what you're saying is that if a white guy denies a job to a black person for a white person it's practicing racism, but if a black guy denies a white person a job in favor of a black guy, it is not practicing racism because the black guy's race doesn't have control of the system?

Bingo. The white guys actions fall in line not only with the control dynamic but also with the prevalence of denying Blacks a job in favor of whites.

And the black guy's do not? Does the black employer not have control?

Basically what you're saying is that practicing racism is okay but practicing a lot of racism is morally wrong. Does that about sum it up?

 

[IM2]

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

Not really sure why you think we disagree or why its important to you if its true?

This question is called a informal fallacy. Tidy it up if you want a serious answer.

Since you haven't been able to figure it out, my point is that it is more important to you guys to make whites wrong than it is to come to agreement between yourselves on what exactly makes whites wrong.

We dont have to agree on what makes whites wrong. Who told you we had to agree? IM2 is a different person than me. He most likely has different experiences with whites than I do as a result. Of course we share some experiences and conclusions but I am sure there is more than one thing we dont agree on.

The ghost rider is desperate A.

 

[Asclepias]

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

So then what you're saying is that if a white guy denies a job to a black person for a white person it's practicing racism, but if a black guy denies a white person a job in favor of a black guy, it is not practicing racism because the black guy's race doesn't have control of the system?

Bingo. The white guys actions fall in line not only with the control dynamic but also with the prevalence of denying Blacks a job in favor of whites.

And the black guy's do not? Does the black employer not have control?

Basically what you're saying is that practicing racism is okay but practicing a lot of racism is morally wrong. Does that about sum it up?

Correct. The Black guy can be put out of business by whites easily. His business exists in the system controlled by whites.

Nope. Thats actually only something an idiot would suggest. Practicing racism is something only whites can do and like most things whites do its wrong.

 

[justoffal]

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

And what? We are supposed agree on everything?

Nope. That's not my point. The point is that the two of you disagree on a fundamental aspect of racial issues: the ability or possibility of blacks being racist. Now, if I were any less jaded than I am about how some blacks approach racial issues, I would wonder why this point never came up between you. But, being as jaded as I am from debating the two of you, I know exactly why it never came up.

You want to make a claim in order to build straw men based on false equivalences. But like I said, for you to even try making blacks racist, you have to deny whites have a continuing 400 year practice of racist behavior and that what blacks are doing is a reaction to that behavior.

This point is not a fundamental aspect of racial issues. That's why it doesn't come up between any of us blacks here.

Hate to break it to you but here you have no race...only a moniker.

JO

That's a lie.

The only way to respond to that is by ....not responding.

JO

 

[Asclepias]

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

Not really sure why you think we disagree or why its important to you if its true?

This question is called a informal fallacy. Tidy it up if you want a serious answer.

Since you haven't been able to figure it out, my point is that it is more important to you guys to make whites wrong than it is to come to agreement between yourselves on what exactly makes whites wrong.

We dont have to agree on what makes whites wrong. Who told you we had to agree? IM2 is a different person than me. He most likely has different experiences with whites than I do as a result. Of course we share some experiences and conclusions but I am sure there is more than one thing we dont agree on.

The ghost rider is desperate A.

I think its fucking with his head that we're both his intellectual superiors.

 

[Asclepias]

And what? We are supposed agree on everything?

Nope. That's not my point. The point is that the two of you disagree on a fundamental aspect of racial issues: the ability or possibility of blacks being racist. Now, if I were any less jaded than I am about how some blacks approach racial issues, I would wonder why this point never came up between you. But, being as jaded as I am from debating the two of you, I know exactly why it never came up.

You want to make a claim in order to build straw men based on false equivalences. But like I said, for you to even try making blacks racist, you have to deny whites have a continuing 400 year practice of racist behavior and that what blacks are doing is a reaction to that behavior.

This point is not a fundamental aspect of racial issues. That's why it doesn't come up between any of us blacks here.

Hate to break it to you but here you have no race...only a moniker.

JO

That's a lie.

The only way to respond to that is by ....not responding.

JO

Yet you responded. What happened?

 

[justoffal]

So then what you're saying is that if a white guy denies a job to a black person for a white person it's practicing racism, but if a black guy denies a white person a job in favor of a black guy, it is not practicing racism because the black guy's race doesn't have control of the system?

Bingo. The white guys actions fall in line not only with the control dynamic but also with the prevalence of denying Blacks a job in favor of whites.

Bwahahaha.....you can't seriously think that anyone is going to credit that pile of BS with any sort of
legitimacy can you? If you are that afraid of performing equally....I suggest you see a professional....sounds like you need to.

JO

I didnt ask for credit. You dont possess enough value to provide any credit. I was talking to Ghost not you.

You made a post on a public posting board....deal with it. You can of course exercise the ignore function or carry on a private conversation with whoever. But I believe you will find that the rules here do not forbid me from reading and responding. I have a habit of trying to stomp out STUPID when I see it....sorry.
Personally I have never used one of those....I have learned to deal with antipathy without trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

JO

I dont care what you read or respond to. I just pointed out I wasnt talking to you and I didnt ask for credit. Youre a loser low hanging fruit white boy so you only make me laugh at you.

OMG....pahleese with the white boy stuff dude....you got some special screen that sees all the way through or are you just as ignorant, racist and mentally constipated as you appear to be?

JO

 

[justoffal]

Nope. That's not my point. The point is that the two of you disagree on a fundamental aspect of racial issues: the ability or possibility of blacks being racist. Now, if I were any less jaded than I am about how some blacks approach racial issues, I would wonder why this point never came up between you. But, being as jaded as I am from debating the two of you, I know exactly why it never came up.

You want to make a claim in order to build straw men based on false equivalences. But like I said, for you to even try making blacks racist, you have to deny whites have a continuing 400 year practice of racist behavior and that what blacks are doing is a reaction to that behavior.

This point is not a fundamental aspect of racial issues. That's why it doesn't come up between any of us blacks here.

Hate to break it to you but here you have no race...only a moniker.

JO

That's a lie.

The only way to respond to that is by ....not responding.

JO

Yet you responded. What happened?

I did....hmmm.... I don't see a response there....
do you?

JO

 

[Asclepias]

This point is not a fundamental aspect of racial issues. That's why it doesn't come up between any of us blacks here.

Hate to break it to you but here you have no race...only a moniker.

JO

That's a lie.

The only way to respond to that is by ....not responding.

JO

Yet you responded. What happened?

I did....hmmm.... I don't see a response there....
do you?

JO

I guess you dont own a dictionary. You responded to his post when you posted.

 

[justoffal]

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

Not really sure why you think we disagree or why its important to you if its true?

This question is called a informal fallacy. Tidy it up if you want a serious answer.

Since you haven't been able to figure it out, my point is that it is more important to you guys to make whites wrong than it is to come to agreement between yourselves on what exactly makes whites wrong.

We dont have to agree on what makes whites wrong. Who told you we had to agree? IM2 is a different person than me. He most likely has different experiences with whites than I do as a result. Of course we share some experiences and conclusions but I am sure there is more than one thing we dont agree on.

The ghost rider is desperate A.

I think its fucking with his head that we're both his intellectual superiors.

Hahahah....of all the impressions I have formed from this conversation I can honestly say that one did not occur to me.

JO

 

[IM2]

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

So then what you're saying is that if a white guy denies a job to a black person for a white person it's practicing racism, but if a black guy denies a white person a job in favor of a black guy, it is not practicing racism because the black guy's race doesn't have control of the system?

Bingo. The white guys actions fall in line not only with the control dynamic but also with the prevalence of denying Blacks a job in favor of whites.

And the black guy's do not? Does the black employer not have control?

Basically what you're saying is that practicing racism is okay but practicing a lot of racism is morally wrong. Does that about sum it up?

Your argument is based on hypotheticals. "But if a black guys does this" is not the same as " when a white guy did this." We are taking about a proven record of white racist behavior, you are arguing a bunch of what ifs.

White fragility.

 

[Asclepias]

Not really sure why you think we disagree or why its important to you if its true?

This question is called a informal fallacy. Tidy it up if you want a serious answer.

Since you haven't been able to figure it out, my point is that it is more important to you guys to make whites wrong than it is to come to agreement between yourselves on what exactly makes whites wrong.

We dont have to agree on what makes whites wrong. Who told you we had to agree? IM2 is a different person than me. He most likely has different experiences with whites than I do as a result. Of course we share some experiences and conclusions but I am sure there is more than one thing we dont agree on.

The ghost rider is desperate A.

I think its fucking with his head that we're both his intellectual superiors.

Hahahah....of all the impressions I have formed from this conversation I can honestly say that one did not occur to me.

JO

Judging from most of your responses intelligent thought rarely if ever occurs to you.

 

[justoffal]

Hate to break it to you but here you have no race...only a moniker.

JO

That's a lie.

The only way to respond to that is by ....not responding.

JO

Yet you responded. What happened?

I did....hmmm.... I don't see a response there....
do you?

JO

I guess you dont own a dictionary. You responded to his post when you posted.

Au contraire posting words is well.... posting words. Responding is a totally different thing. I guess that's why the dictionary you are so fond of has two different definitions for those words huh? Oh...wait...that's right...My dictionary must be a white dictionary.....so of course it's...um racist is that correct?

JO

 

[justoffal]

Since you haven't been able to figure it out, my point is that it is more important to you guys to make whites wrong than it is to come to agreement between yourselves on what exactly makes whites wrong.

We dont have to agree on what makes whites wrong. Who told you we had to agree? IM2 is a different person than me. He most likely has different experiences with whites than I do as a result. Of course we share some experiences and conclusions but I am sure there is more than one thing we dont agree on.

The ghost rider is desperate A.

I think its fucking with his head that we're both his intellectual superiors.

Hahahah....of all the impressions I have formed from this conversation I can honestly say that one did not occur to me.

JO

Judging from most of your responses intelligent thought rarely if ever occurs to you.

OOOOH.....ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch.....forsooth! I have been ever so mortally wounded! How shall I ever continue? Oh...that's right.....I will.

JO

 

[Asclepias]

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

So then what you're saying is that if a white guy denies a job to a black person for a white person it's practicing racism, but if a black guy denies a white person a job in favor of a black guy, it is not practicing racism because the black guy's race doesn't have control of the system?

Bingo. The white guys actions fall in line not only with the control dynamic but also with the prevalence of denying Blacks a job in favor of whites.

And the black guy's do not? Does the black employer not have control?

Basically what you're saying is that practicing racism is okay but practicing a lot of racism is morally wrong. Does that about sum it up?

Your argument is based on hypotheticals. "But if a black guys does this" is not the same as " when a white guy did this." We are taking abut a proven record of white racist behavior, you are arguing a bunch of what ifs.

White fragility.

I'm beginning to think that the reality whites subscribe to forces them to try and equate things that simply are not the same. They have trouble with simple concepts like history and facts.

 

[Asclepias]

That's a lie.

The only way to respond to that is by ....not responding.

JO

Yet you responded. What happened?

I did....hmmm.... I don't see a response there....
do you?

JO

I guess you dont own a dictionary. You responded to his post when you posted.

Au contraire posting words is well.... posting words. Responding is a totally different thing. I guess that's why the dictionary you are so fond of has two different definitions for those words huh? Oh...wait...that's right...My dictionary must be a white dictionary.....so of course it's...um racist is that correct?

JO

No dummy. Posting in response to someones post is a response. See how I did that there?

It may be a dumb response like in your case but it definitely is a response even according to your white dictionary.

re·sponse
/rəˈspäns/
noun

1. a verbal or written answer.
   "without waiting for a response, she returned to her newspaper"
   • a written or verbal answer to a question in a test, questionnaire, survey, etc.
     synonyms: answer, reply, rejoinder, retort, riposte;
     informalcomeback
     "his response to the question"
   • a reaction to something.