What exactly do republicans have to offer blacks?

[JoeMoma]

Do you oppose black racism? Asian? Native American? Religion? Color?

No such thing. I've told you white boys before. People that dont own the resources, systems, and opportunities cant practice racism.

You and people like IM2 spew this nonsense about how only people who own the resources, systems or have the authority can practice racism and yet you call me racist without knowing whether I have any resources or authority or anything. Funny how that works.

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

 

[Asclepias]

No such thing. I've told you white boys before. People that dont own the resources, systems, and opportunities cant practice racism.

You and people like IM2 spew this nonsense about how only people who own the resources, systems or have the authority can practice racism and yet you call me racist without knowing whether I have any resources or authority or anything. Funny how that works.

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

I disagree. One Black property owner does not make a system.

sys·tem
/ˈsistəm/
noun

1. 1.
   a set of connected things or parts forming a complex whole, in particular.
   • 
     
     
   • 
     

 

[JoeMoma]

For a black person to be a racist you will have to deny that there has been a continuing practice of racist behavior by whites in this country that blacks are responding to. I am not going to do that.

No, that is not true. Both blacks and whites can be racist. Denying that other races practice racism is not a requirement.

 

[JoeMoma]

You and people like IM2 spew this nonsense about how only people who own the resources, systems or have the authority can practice racism and yet you call me racist without knowing whether I have any resources or authority or anything. Funny how that works.

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

I disagree. One Black property owner does not make a system.

sys·tem
/ˈsistəm/
noun

1. 1.
   a set of connected things or parts forming a complex whole, in particular.
   • 
     

Actually, a black property owner, the property he owns, and authority/ability he has to rent or not rent to certain people based on race does make a system in which he can practice racism. But of course you will deny that is true because that is your method of operation when confronted with an obvious truth.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

So then, the guy who spit on me was racist after all, contrary to what IM2 says that blacks can't be racist?

Thats silly talk. There are a whole host of reasons that could explain why you got spit on. The primary one being you said or did something racist.

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

And whites have been practicing racist behavior consistently for over 400 years but that black man could not have spit on you because you said simethig racist or whites treated him like shit on that job.. The more you post the more I see that man had to endure a whole lot of white racism on that job. Because young white men join gangs and kill each other. On top of that, they provide the drugs to everyone else.

All of this is irrelevant to the idea of black men having too much morality and character to spit on someone but have no qualms about murdering other black men.

You always try to turn it into a contest but you're simply too short sighted to see that it's way more complicated than that.

 

[JoeMoma]

Thats silly talk. There are a whole host of reasons that could explain why you got spit on. The primary one being you said or did something racist.

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

And whites have been practicing racist behavior consistently for over 400 years but that black man could not have spit on you because you said simethig racist or whites treated him like shit on that job.. The more you post the more I see that man had to endure a whole lot of white racism on that job. Because young white men join gangs and kill each other. On top of that, they provide the drugs to everyone else.

All of this is irrelevant to the idea of black men having too much morality and character to spit on someone but have no qualms about murdering other black men.

You always try to turn it into a contest but you're simply too short sighted to see that it's way more complicated than that.

I think you have hit on something with the "contest" For example, if whites have lynched 100 blacks due to racism, IM2 seems to believe that blacks get to lynch 100 whites +1 before the blacks can be racist.

 

[Asclepias]

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

I disagree. One Black property owner does not make a system.

sys·tem
/ˈsistəm/
noun

1. 1.
   a set of connected things or parts forming a complex whole, in particular.

Actually, a black property owner, the property he owns, and authority/ability he has to rent or not rent to certain people based on race does make a system in which he can practice racism. But of course you will deny that is true because that is your method of operation when confronted with an obvious truth.

I disagree but I'm not going to argue anymore about it with someone that ignores what a system is.

 

[IM2]

Thats silly talk. There are a whole host of reasons that could explain why you got spit on. The primary one being you said or did something racist.

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

And whites have been practicing racist behavior consistently for over 400 years but that black man could not have spit on you because you said simethig racist or whites treated him like shit on that job.. The more you post the more I see that man had to endure a whole lot of white racism on that job. Because young white men join gangs and kill each other. On top of that, they provide the drugs to everyone else.

All of this is irrelevant to the idea of black men having too much morality and character to spit on someone but have no qualms about murdering other black men.

You always try to turn it into a contest but you're simply too short sighted to see that it's way more complicated than that.

It is relevant, very much so. It is also tp say that you have no right to say he shit you did we whites di ad have dine far worse things. I know how complicated things are, you are the one who doesn't. That is why you hang on to this notion of black racism without considering the complexity of how 4 centuries of continuing white racism plays into the manner in which we react to whites..

 

[IM2]

No such thing. I've told you white boys before. People that dont own the resources, systems, and opportunities cant practice racism.

You and people like IM2 spew this nonsense about how only people who own the resources, systems or have the authority can practice racism and yet you call me racist without knowing whether I have any resources or authority or anything. Funny how that works.

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

Totally stupid comment.

 

[IM2]

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

And whites have been practicing racist behavior consistently for over 400 years but that black man could not have spit on you because you said simethig racist or whites treated him like shit on that job.. The more you post the more I see that man had to endure a whole lot of white racism on that job. Because young white men join gangs and kill each other. On top of that, they provide the drugs to everyone else.

All of this is irrelevant to the idea of black men having too much morality and character to spit on someone but have no qualms about murdering other black men.

You always try to turn it into a contest but you're simply too short sighted to see that it's way more complicated than that.

I think you have hit on something with the "contest" For example, if whites have lynched 100 blacks due to racism, IM2 seems to believe that blacks get to lynch 100 whites +1 before the blacks can be racist.

Except Ghost rider is the one making this a contest. His blacks are racist too argument is exactly that.

 

[JoeMoma]

You and people like IM2 spew this nonsense about how only people who own the resources, systems or have the authority can practice racism and yet you call me racist without knowing whether I have any resources or authority or anything. Funny how that works.

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

Totally stupid comment.

If its not racism, then what is it?

 

[Asclepias]

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

Totally stupid comment.

If its not racism, then what is it?

The word you are searching for is discrimination. Again racism has systemic power and resources behind it.

 

[IM2]

For a black person to be a racist you will have to deny that there has been a continuing practice of racist behavior by whites in this country that blacks are responding to. I am not going to do that.

No, that is not true. Both blacks and whites can be racist. Denying that other races practice racism is not a requirement.

What I said is true. Plain and simple.

 

[IM2]

This is why I keep saying you are an idiot. Anyone can be a racist without owning anything. Clean the earwax out your ears. I said Blacks cannot practice racism because it requires control of the system, its resources and opportunities.

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

Totally stupid comment.

If its not racism, then what is it?

It's something we don't see happening.

 

[JoeMoma]

A black property owner can practice racism by not renting to whites because of race. A black employer can practice racism by not hiring whites because of race. A black traffic cop can practice racism by writing white people tickets and black people warnings when he makes traffic stops. Not all control of "the system, its resources and opportunities" are in the hands of white people. There are lots of blacks that have the power to practice racism.

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

Totally stupid comment.

If its not racism, then what is it?

The word you are searching for is discrimination. Again racism has systemic power and resources behind it.

A property owner has systemic power and resources. Some have more systemic power and resources than others.

A property owner has the resource of property, Also, he has the systemic power to either rent it out or not.

 

[Asclepias]

Thanks for the

One person doesnt make a system. There has to be a majority. For example If all the white banks decided to not loan to Blacks (sound familiar?) Black people would be severely affected. If all the Black banks decided not to loan to whites no one would even notice. If some whites did notice they could pass a law or put the Black banks out of business. Racism is the execution of power designed to provide benefits to the people that have the power and provide obstacles to the people that dont.

There does not have to be a majority. A black property owner can practice racism by renting to a preferred race and not to others solely on the basis of race.

Totally stupid comment.

If its not racism, then what is it?

The word you are searching for is discrimination. Again racism has systemic power and resources behind it.

A property owner has systemic power and resources. Some have more systemic power and resources than others.

A property owner has the resource of property, Also, he has the systemic power to either rent it out or not.

That only works if the property owner is white. Since whites own the system they own the power.

 

[JoeMoma]

Well, I've been entertained enough here in the racist forum. I know when reasoning with people is futile.

 

[Asclepias]

Well, I've been entertained enough here in the racist forum. I know when reasoning with people is futile.

Kinda sucks when your argument doesnt consider the facts and reality obliterates your theory. As long as whites control the resources and opportunities in this system set up by and for the benefit of whites in the US, no other race can be said to practice racism

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

So then, the guy who spit on me was racist after all, contrary to what IM2 says that blacks can't be racist?

Thats silly talk. There are a whole host of reasons that could explain why you got spit on. The primary one being you said or did something racist.

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

And what? We are supposed agree on everything?

Nope. That's not my point. The point is that the two of you disagree on a fundamental aspect of racial issues: the ability or possibility of blacks being racist. Now, if I were any less jaded than I am about how some blacks approach racial issues, I would wonder why this point never came up between you. But, being as jaded as I am from debating the two of you, I know exactly why it never came up.

You want to make a claim in order to build straw men based on false equivalences. But like I said, for you to even try making blacks racist, you have to deny whites have a continuing 400 year practice of racist behavior and that what blacks are doing is a reaction to that behavior.

How do you know if we have never discussed this point before?

I don't. I'm just making an assumption which is what you guys do to me all the time.

Who told you we disagree?

If by "disagree" you mean having discussed it, no one. But if by "disagree" you have a difference of opinion, well, you do.

If we do disagree what made you think its something fundamental?

You don't think that the question as to whether or not blacks can be racist is fundamental? Seriously?

It is a fundamental distinction because if the black person cannot be racist then the white person is always at fault or always the racist in every situation. If, however, the black person can, in fact, be racist, it changes the rules and parameters of the entire game. This then allows for the possibility that the black person citing racism just might be wrong. It also allows for the possibility that a black person can practice racism by denying a white person a job or show favoritism to black students or employees or whatever. But this is a possibility that people like IM2 just can't entertain.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

First let me point out that you and IM2 are apparently not in agreement as to whether or not blacks can be racist. So why you guys discussed this?

That said, why is the primary potential reason for his spitting on me is that I said or did something racist?

You have no clue what me and IM2 agree on. That much is obvious.

I know enough to know that the two of you disagree on this one point. I've been debating with the both of you for months and in that time I've learned that you think blacks can be racist - which you just said in this thread - and that IM2 thinks blacks can't be racist at all.

I think thats already been pointed out to you. Black people dont just go around spitting on people unless they are mentally ill or you did something to them.

So young black men will join gangs and murder other black men for control of drug territory but spitting on people is morally beneath them?

You just said in this thread that blacks can be racist but it never occurred to you that he might have spit on me for that reason?

Not really sure why you think we disagree or why its important to you if its true?

This question is called a informal fallacy. Tidy it up if you want a serious answer.

Since you haven't been able to figure it out, my point is that it is more important to you guys to make whites wrong than it is to come to agreement between yourselves on what exactly makes whites wrong.

Wrong. We know what makes whites like you wrong. White racism. You are here trying to make up a equivalent racism from blacks that just does not exist.

Thank you for making my point.