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Reagan was a figurehead for the folks running the show. Propped up by Michael Deaver, who would have made a great Hollywood producer. The revisionist history of the era is one of the most impressive feats of propaganda ever pulled off.The republicans have been left for years. Reagan ruined conservatism.
Quite a lot of that can be traced to the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine.........and thus Reagan......as I'm sure you know.Yeah. There had been (and I guess we didn't see it) a pretty fucking deep reservoir of rage and resentment building over the last three decades or so, amplified 100x by 24/7/365 talk radio and Fox and the internet.
Someone who isn't taking sides on the culture war? What, are we just supposed to stay neutral on bigotry? Someone who isn't trying to use government to reshape society? What? Governments job is to create the necessary things to make society function, if there is a problem government must fix it.Someone who isn't taking sides on the culture war. Someone who isn't trying to use the government to "reshape" society.
Joe Manchin wouldn't be great, but he'd be way better than Harris or Trump. We need someone who most voters can find acceptable. The two party circle jerk just doesn't work.
Yes, the end of the fairness doctrine opened up the airwaves to race hustlers who played on resentments held by people who had been angry ever since the Civil Rights Movement ended various laws.Quite a lot of that can be traced to the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine.........and thus Reagan......as I'm sure you know.
Rick Santorum was part of it indeed.The GOP succumbed to the evil that began with Rick Santorum.
Actually many of their concerns were without merit.Yeah. There had been (and I guess we didn't see it) a pretty fucking deep reservoir of rage and resentment building over the last three decades or so, amplified 100x by 24/7/365 talk radio and Fox and the internet. And then a shameless con man came along and let it all out.
I'm not saying their concerns are without merit, and I have some general agreements with them. But the way they have been manipulated into advocating for them has put this country right on the fucking edge, and you see people across the political spectrum saying it.
No. You're supposed to recognize that people have different opinions, and they're entitled to them. Government is not there to dictate social norms.Someone who isn't taking sides on the culture war? What, are we just supposed to stay neutral on bigotry?
Government is there to protect our rights. To protect our freedom to decide the shape of society for ourselves, voluntarily and collaboratively. It's not there for once side to force its values on the other.Someone who isn't trying to use government to reshape society? What? Governments job is to create the necessary things to make society function, if there is a problem government must fix it.
I'm not really a "centrist", and I've never promote Joe Manchin. But if we don't start electing consensus candidates, leaders the whole country can accept, we're doomed.Joe Manchin is a pos who is a paid for by coal. He is no centrist and he quit the Senate because he was going to lose to Jim Justice. This is why I laugh at you so called centrists because the people you guys tak about are no better than anyone else.
Exactly. You're a left partisan. Part of the problem.IMO this society needs to be restructured.
They have. And do. But it's pointless because people keep falling for the fear-monger of Ds and Rs. As long as most voters are playing the "lesser-of-two-evils" game, we're gonna keep getting "evil".What needs to happen is that the other parties need to present sane patforms and run people who can captivate those who are distisifed with the 2 big parties.
Yup. He figured out a way, through lies and deceit, to break the stranglehold Dems had had on Congress for decades. With it out the door went decorum, comity, and mutual respect.Yes, I agree. He had his propaganda MEU and ushered in the belief of no compromise with democrats. Gingrich led an extremist movement in congress and it still affects us now.
It's no coincidence that right wing talk radio exploded on the scene after the repeal. Conservatives like Limbaugh could lie all day with impunity.Yes, the end of the fairness doctrine opened up the airwaves to race hustlers who played on resentments held by people who had been angry ever since the Civil Rights Movement ended various laws.
The what happened to the Democratic party thread triggered them.What happened to the Republican party?
The government enacts laws. laws dictate social norms.No. You're supposed to recognize that people have different opinions, and they're entitled to them. Government is not there to dictate social norms.
One side has consistently tried forcing their values on others. You seem opposed to any response to that.Government is there to protect our rights. To protect our freedom to decide the shape of society for ourselves, voluntarily and collaboratively. It's not there for once side to force its values on the other.
I'm not really a "centrist", and I've never promote Joe Manchin. But if we don't start electing consensus candidates, leaders the whole country can accept, we're doomed.
Exactly. You're a left partisan. Part of the problem.
They have. And do. But it's pointless because people keep falling for the fear-monger of Ds and Rs. As long as most voters are playing the "lesser-of-two-evils" game, we're gonna keep getting "evil".
True.It's no coincidence that right wing talk radio exploded on the scene after the repeal. Conservatives like Limbaugh could lie all day with impunity.
Yes. That's the premise of the modern liberal. I prefer freedom.The government enacts laws. laws dictate social norms.
Yes, but now Republicans are doing the same thing in response.One side has consistently tried forcing their values on others.
Bullshit. I'm not talking about lock step agreement. But we shouldn't end every fucking election with half the county in denial, chanting "Not my President". We need someone that half the country doesn't hate right out of the gate.Most work done in congress happens because of a consensus. Each party has phiosophy and that is what they run on. In a nation of 330 million there is not going to ever be a consensus candidate.
I'm not really interested in your personal circumstances. As voters, as citizens, I think we have a responsibility to look past our personal welfare and vote for leadership that will be good for the country as a whole. The back and forth partisan shit is killing us.Wrong. I just happen to be a member of a population in America that has continually been fucked over by society and see that some things need change.
Again, you're a true believer. But neither party's candidate seems to have any intention of uniting the country. They just want to score points for their side.I think some people have falsely believed that it has been a choice between two evils. In this election there is only one evil. Harris and Trump do not offer the same thing, nor do they both equally endanger the country.
es. That's the premise of the modern liberal. I prefer freedom.
Republicans aren't responding. Republicans are the ones doing it. They have been doing this for 60 years. This is a mutiracial, multicultural nation and so whites don't get to decide what society is by themselves.Yes, but now Republicans are doing the same thing in response.
Bullshit. I'm not talking about lock step agreement. But we shouldn't end every fucking election with half the county in denial, chanting "Not my President". We need someone that half the country doesn't hate right out of the gate.
And this is not just my personal circumstance. It is the circumstance of over 130 million Americans and rising. So what's good for the country is for whites to stop thinking like you do on this matter. Society must be restructured to become more inclusive and accepting of others besides whites.I'm not really interested in your personal circumstances. As voters, as citizens, I think we have a responsibility to look past our personal welfare and vote for leadership that will be good for the country as a whole. The back and forth partisan shit is killing us.
Again, you're a true believer. But neither party's candidate seems to have any intention of uniting the country. They just want to score points for their side.
We've gone far past "doesn't like". Partisans convince themselves that the other side is "pure evil'. They completely flip out. And then the losers work feverishly to block everything the winner tries to do. They completely forget that we're all on the same side, that we're all Americans.There will aways be part of the country that doesn't like whoever is president no matter what.
Yes. Ranked choice voting would help a great deal. It would also tone down the divisive fear monger and let other parties get some real feedback on voter preferences.What really needs to happen is that we get rid of a method whereby the loser of the popular vote ends up as president. Then we do something about the disinformation networks that spead lies.
I'm pretty sure you don't understand how I'm thinking. Most partisans don't. I just doesn't fit in their worldview.And this is not just my personal circumstance. It is the circumstance of over 130 million Americans and rising. So what's good for the country is for whites to stop thinking like you do on this matter.
Well, sorry. But we don't get to just "restructure" society. That's not what government is for, and trying to use it for that creates the kind of frantic division and fear that we're now living through. People don't much like being "restructured".Society must be restructured to become more inclusive and accepting of others besides whites.
I'm calling flat out bullshit on that. Dems are just as divisive as Republicans.Nah, I'm no true believer. But thats what those such as yourself always try when the reaity of your position is shown. Both candidates do not offer the same thing. Both candidates are not trying to divide the country.
Why do you even care?Trump's GOP shows its extremism could be a problem in November
If former President Trump and his fellow Republicans lose in November, weeks like this might be to blame.
Why it matters: Trump is beloved by the Republican Party's MAGA base. But the far-right stamp he's put on the GOP is bursting into view in ways that are giving even some Republicans pause — and could complicate their push for the swing voters they'll need in November.
- By week's end, Trump's GOP was tied to calling frozen embryos children, appeals to kill democracy, and giving Vladimir Putin a pass on targeting his enemies.
- It's all giving Democrats another chance to cast MAGA Republicans as extremists bent on destroying rights and traditions that most Americans support.
The movement to the far right by the former GOP, now POT, is well documented and well understood. As is the cost the party has paid as MAGAist candidates have been largely rejected for their allegiance to the extremism of trumpery. It's a big part of the reason what was supposed to be the congressional Red Wave in the last election cycle completely fizzled.
Far more difficult to explain than their radicalization, which actually began in the 80's, is their choice of a current leader. He does not possess conservative bona fides. Or any coherent political philosophy for that matter. Yet he has galvanized support like no other figure in US history around his boorish personality.
As a consequence, the party has morphed in to one working on a national ban on abortions, virtually unrestricted gun ownership of any kind of gun, is in denial of the scientifically proven affect of burning fossil fuels which releases billions of tons of CO2 in to the atmosphere, support for voter suppression laws, turning back the clock on gay rights, centralized power in the hands of the executive, the right of the minority to rule, etc.
It didn't use to be this way. Repubs from Eisenhower to McCain were reasonable men who sought compromise rather than confrontation. Their impulse when addressing a national problem was, "how can we fix this?" "We" meaning both Repubs and Dems. The first impulse of MAGAists is to ask, "how can we blame this on Dems and then obstruct anything they want to do to address the problem."
The rank & file became convinced that talk radio rhetoric, MAGA "news" sources and from-Mom's-basement conspiracy websites were "The Truth", simply because they agreed with what was said.
Then they allowed those voices to create an entirely separate, self-contained informational ecosystem that made its own reality as it went. And they went right along with it, hook, line and sinker.
Then they fell for the most obvious con man in the history of the country simply because he was a flamboyant, shameless celebrity who was willing to pretend he likes them, and attacked those they hate.
Now they're in danger in handing the keys to the Left, and if they do, they'll play the victim, as usual.
